Mattison will make adjustments. Have faith.
WTF is wrong with our defense?
I think you answered your own question
It's how you finish.
Clearly - and it doesn't always work, but it's pretty clear that these coaches, on both sides of the ball, are trying to see what they have to work .. in an IN GAME situation, and they adjust from that. That's having a completely new coaching staff.
They have no Floyd. Yes, they have a good QB and RB, but they not a great team by any stretch.
Dude look at the field position EMU has had, and they only have 3 pts. Relax.
But I wonder how much of that is due to defensive success and how much is due to offensive failure. Their running game is great this year, but their passing is dismal. Against a more well-rounded offense, I seriously doubt we could hold them to 3.
without your gramatical errors, I still don't understand this post, seems like flamebait to me. It is very hard to expect major change in a few games; it is a process. It takes at least two years to install a zone defense, even for NFL players. As the coaches continue to stress technique and accountability, you will continue to see improvement. I've seen some already. There is, absolutely, a lot of work left for these players and coaches to become a big ten title contender, but the strides are being taken in the right place.
When you're starting on the bottom, the only direction to go is up. Give it some more time, please.
The process. A little continuity over the next couple of years will make a world of difference.
Our offense was our defense's worst enemy.
2 TO, I'll take that.
This is the EMU game, not the emo game.
just have to change my signature.
If we keep contain, we will be fine. I'm not sure what film they watched during the week, but the D almost looked surprised at times. They've had a chance to settle in though and the coaches will make the proper adjustments.
Umm...do you remember last year that we had the worst defense in the history of Michigan football. Guess what--we have the same players. Yes our defensive staff is much better but they are still working with the same pieces. It is going to take time to get these players enough game experience as well as to get new recruits in that are ready to play. It is also quite clear that this staff is better at making in game and between game adjustments. Relax and step away from the ledge.
Because great defenses are comprised of Brandon Graham, three sophomores, and a freshman, amirite?
We get it. The defense has been bad for awhile now. Did you just come out of a fucking coma or something?
Think before you type, please.
I think you might want to look at our annual points allowed from the beginning of time through 2006, because in 07 our defense was not good against actual teams with a pulse. Also, the horror blah blah blah Wisconsin
The defense was horrendous last year. It is less horrendous this year (and genereally improves in the second half). We will see continued improvement.
get this guy a Creed style word document to put his rants. There's no place for that here.
...the offense put them in bad spots the whole first half is horrendous. Fire Mattison!!!!
At least wait till the end of the game to post something ridiculous, that's when most people post these kind of things.
Drinking that much.
gets the sack for -7
Our defense hasn't been the problem this game, so I don't know what sparked this post. Today, they've been put in awful field position all day long, but only given up 3 points, forced two turnovers, and made big plays when necessary. They struggeled earlier on, but after the second EMU drive, have looked much better. In EMU's last 21 caries, they only have 62 yards, but if you take away the garbage yards Michigan gave them before the missed field goal at the end of the half, it's 17 for 42. Throwing the ball they're 3/5 for 29 yards and pick. Our defense has been fine. And as I'm typing, we get a sack, making the yardage even better.
The two biggest problem I see are revolving around Denard. One is the fact that he's had to run the ball this much in a game vs EMU. I don't like seeing all the hits he's taking. Second is his passing. He's looked very bad passing the ball, and there may be some cause for concern there. Luckily our RBs as a unit have looked solid as a unit. Our special teams have been inconsistent though, which could be a cause for concern, but they should improve when Hagerup gets back.
Part of this is the fact our O rarely sustains drives. They have only played 7 quarters on both O and D to learn and adapt to very different styles...chill. We can make conclusions on both units after the bowl game. I for one am happy with the progress teh D has made
If this was a Llyod defense no one would be complainig about the defense if it gave up 3 points in the first 3 quarters. It is a work in progress. We have upgraded the tackling and general soundess of the defense already, the rest will come as the defense is better understood by the players and as the ability of our guys on defense rises with coming classes. Patience is a virtue.
I'll trust the guy making the big $!
It's the points that matter not yardage. See last years team.
I'll take it, even against EMU. Hell, Nebraska gave up 10 to Tennessee-Chatanooga at the beginning of the year, and their defense is supposed to be much better than ours.
Dude you heard the BTN announcers...NO SLEDS for practice.....WTF! I really wounder what kind of focus RR put on the D...in any?! Give them time this year the starters to bring them self to the surface and let the system set in.
I seriously have never heard of a team not having sleds. What in the world? Who made this decision? GERG I blame you!
That absolutely floored me when I heard it - was sure he meant something else - but apparently not.
This is not true.
Our defense has given up three points through three quarters. On a more serious note, if I hear pitbulls Dr. pepper commercial one more time I'm gonna kill myself.
Elmer to Notre Dame via twitter.
His thumb, index and middle fingers are free to grip and it hasn't seemed to have caused any problems in coverage for him.
In the first year? Not only is this still a young defense, but they're not nearly as deep as anyone would like and they're playing under their third defensive coordinator in four years.
While they're nowhere near consistent, they do seem to be making improvements. Unfortunately they will be up and down, and they will continue to be up and down until Hoke has the talent *and* experience level back to where he wants it to be. Which won't be next year either.
I thought this was going to be a productive thread, but I should have figured that it was a reactionary thread. Our defense looks much better than last year. It doesn't look great, but they're making play and even forcing turnovers. I don't like everything I've seen, but I've seen progress too. It's going to take a while.
You won't want to watch next year, then.
Argue that our bad Defense started before Lloyd left.
on the basis of points per game, Llyod Carr had 8 of the 10 (as I recall, I calculated this a year ago) worse defenses in the history of Michigan football at the time of his retirement. The downward trend on defense began the day Bo retired.
Under Rodriguez, the trend was accellerated. Hopefully Hoke and Mattison can reverse this and get us closer to Bo-type defenses. But it will take a few years, not a few months.
Or maybe it's that college football has become a lot more competitive since that time. The big 2 little 8 is gone. Not saying our D has been even close to good but this hasn't happened in a vacuum either.
general have gotten more sophistocated and better. But to a lesser extent, so have the defenses. The Big 10 is also currently better overrall, but our out-of-conference schedule is currently a lot easier than what it used to be (we never used to schedule MAC teams, only schools from major, or what is referred to today as BCS, conferences).
Point taken, there is an effect, but under Carr Michigan in the 2000's was giving up almost twice what Bo's teams were giving up in the '80's, and about 3 times that of Bo's teams from the '70's. I saw those teams, I don't think the numbers lie, Bo's defenses were much better.
Carr's potent offenses compared to Bo's one dimensional ones, on the other hand, is a totally different story.
It's all offenses. The game rules and style has heavily skewed to offense at all levels. And the Big Ten has gone from a league all running offenses like Bo's but with a lot less talent (scholarship reductions evened it out), to a sport where passing is king. I think you could find any great program and see their defensive numbers not look as impressive as they did in the 70's. Same thing in the NFL (look at Monday night). The only thing you can really look at is where they ranked in a given year among all the other teams of that era (and that's still not fair because playing defense in the Big Ten or PAC-10 in the 70's was a whole different animal). I don't know that one more OOC cupcake really accounts for dregs like Wisconsin and Northwestern being offensive machines. It's just a different sport now.
favored more offense, and that it is best to compare teams within an era as opposed to across eras. Still holds that Bo's teams' strengths (when compared to their contemporaries) were defense and running the ball. Carr's was a balanced, potent offense; a strong defense was not characteristic with the important exception of 1997.
Funny thing, though. Now that I think about it, there were quite a few similarities in the kicking game that RR's had and that of Bo's.
and 3 pts. Youngstown State did better than that with dozens of new players vs MSU's vaunted defense.
That said, UM still struggles vs Manball. EMU pushed UM around at times.
The defense has been stingy in the red zone, come up with timely turnovers, and make good adjustments as the game evolves. None of this was evident the previous 2 seasons, but by all means, let's PANIC!!!!!
This is not a Top 30 defensive unit. We will look bad in numerous situations this season. Relax.
We held EMU to 3 pts and had a bunch of takeaways. We didn't look amazing doing it but that's what's on the stat line.
The defense is at times painful to watch but they keep improving. Our defense didn't make goal line stances last year and they do now. It is roughly the same personnel that was the worst defense in the NCAA so I will take these difficult performances. Mattison continues to adjust and calm.
But I can't believe they didn't use sleds. Rich Rod wasn't eating a sandwich on the sidelines. Turn the page. It's a new team.
the countdown to kickoff practice video of the past few years showed sleds and cages
Way to be premature
That's what she said.
I just wanna see us control the LOS. We get no push and that leads to LBs getting hemmed up.
Yeah. The minute Lloyd left our defense sucked because his shitty recruiting classes from 2005-2007 didn't do anything to fill the void left from the earlier classes that led to the great 2006 defense. Yeah, our shitty D coaching didn't help things over the last three years, but it's just amazing to me how people can scratch their heads and go "Wha Happen?"
Few people realize that we're still working with a class and a half of Lloyd's recruits. Blaming him for a mediocre finish in that area is still somewhat fair. (Overall, obviously, he was a very good recruiter. Look at '03 and '04, among other years.)
Similarly, in a couple of years, if not now, people will justifiably point to the smoking hole that is the '09 recruiting class in defense. Some of RichRod's decisions will haunt the program for a few more years.
this seems like a completely reasonable thread to me. i mean in my mind one of the worst defenses in the entire nation last year should definitely be turned around into a complete powerhouse by game 3 next year. /s
wake up the defense is a work in progress, it is still not good. it has improved in terms of in game adjustments, turnovers and tackling in my eyes. the defense will struggle though game in and game out and will probably eventually cost us a game or two sometime this season. if your expectations were for something different than that, then you just weren't in tune with the reality of the situation.
we had one of the worst defenses in the nation last year, how much do you think could happen in a handful of months??
Stick to the positives, Mattison is a Genius, Martin and Kovas are studs, it isn't pretty, but hey they have made some big plays this year already, causing turnovers in games 1 & 2 and kept emu out of the endzone, held them to one field goal.
Calm down, maybe you have been living under a rock but have you seen the 2012 recruiting class?? ... Its good.
held to under 90 yards in the last 3 quarters and held to 3 points in the whole game and you're still complaining. Your pointless banter reminds me of my sister; who is a little bitch.
I think if it were a shutout, this guy would be crying and whining that it wasn't a pretty enough shutout. Kind of like the LSU fans that are always bitching that their ten win seasons are too ugly.
BTW Joey, I think I married your sister. Why don't you ever visit ? ? ?
Last time we held an opponent to 3 points or less was the shut out of Notre Dame back in 2007.
Have there been a lot more sacks and TFLs this season? I hardly remember any last season, except for that sack of the Illinois QB in the triple OT victory. I think I've seen better fundamentals, too. Maybe better coaching, or maybe the defense has grown up a little, or both. I don't have the stats; that's just my gut feeling.
Giving up 3 points for the game=suckage? This bizarro land? The D made adjustments, they make stops when they have to, and make way more plays than the past three years.
Watched the replay of the defense for most of the first quarter. Two things of note:
1) Eastern's line is pretty good. On one 22 yard run, they bent Campbell backwards. Their line blocks well.
2) Our tackling is much improved. There are no metaphors which truly describe how bad last year's tackling was. But think about it. How often is our defense out of position or unable to make one-on-one tackles? This year that is not the issue. Our secondary might get beat. Our line might get blocked. But we don't miss tackles. That's a vast improvement.
All in all, the improvement continues. Now off to watch MSU-ND
Agreed. Rome wasn't built in a day. But the improvement in the defense now from the GERG era is night/day. And BWC made some pretty good plays today. Secondary will be tested next week against SDSU though, since Eastern hardly ever passed.
The defense will be fine. You can only expect so much improvement in one spring and fall camp from one of the worst Ds in the country last year. The same kids are showing that they seem to understand what they are being taught alot better than previous years. For the most part they are getting better as the game goes on which is a positive.
It's very obvious by watching the EMU qb and RB continually turn the corner or counter, that our team speed at the DE and LB position is atrocious. There is only so much coaches can do when having no outside presence. With that being said, think our DBs have shown significant improvement.
Like everyone else has said, are defense adjusted well and showed improvement, granted it was a Mac team but it's better then what we showed last year against umass. The one thing I will say is we were damn lucky not to be down inthat game 14 to 21-0. Gotta have better starts or the better teams will jump on us
It needs a lot of work. As a number of folks have said here, the fundamentals (tackling, number of blown assignments) are much better. We don't have speed on the edges in the front seven. That's not the current staff's coaching.
Keep in mind the defense has had to be taught fundamentals. GRob and Rich Rod did a horrible job with the defense. I think they have improved tremendously from last year and are getting better each game. The in game adjustments have been excellent along with the lack of penalties. The most notable observation I have is that after 3 years of hoping for a big play from the defense, I wonder where is the next one coming from.
We all know our Defense will be a work in progress. I see much improvement compared to last year. I hope Denard can become a threat throwing the ball, so our running game can have success come Big 10 time.
I have seen more defensive pressure in the underware football league on mtv, and they have to play three yards off the line.
Carr's fault? At first, yes. Rich Rod did nothing to help things, and it appears Hoke isn't doing much, either.
Ok, I feel like this needs to be said. Yes, our defense is better than last year's defense. When you return 10 starters and all the freshmen and sophomores get a year older and most of your 2 deep are back, your defense should and will get better. The coaches are doing a great job, but this defense was going to get better regardless.
It seems obvious to me that the coaches knew that the best way to find out where exactly they are with these kids is to test them in combat, if you will. To that end, yes, it will look a bit flat early because they are trying to find the right personnel for the schemes they want to run. It certainly looked a bit flat in the first quarter today, but the more tweaks they made, the better it became and the more Michigan-like we looked. They're learning, but the point is that it looks vastly improved in comparison to the GERG era, but it still has much room for improvement. Thus far, with very little game data to use, mind you, I like this trend.
It's going to take a few more years before Greg can develop a great Michigan defense. I'm not happy about smaller O-lines pushing around our D-line, but hopefully that can improve through the season and the front 4 can start getting some type of pressure on opposing QB's.
My concern is how slow the offense takes to get on track. It's going to be very important for the offense to start clicking and scoring more points. I have hopes the D will improve through the season but to win half our B1G games we are going to need an explosive offense!
While it makes sense that they would improve, RR and GERG achieved some amazing levels of futility.....so we'll never know.
I've said this countless times, but what makes our defense different?
If ND scores 21 points in the first half against Michigan State, it's because their offense is high powered and Michigan state has a REALLY good defense with tons of playmakers.
If we hold ND to 17 points in the first half despite them having the ball for 3x as long as us, we have a terrible defense.
Where does this discrepancy come from?
If Mississippi state allows Auburn to rack up 500 yards of offense on them, nobody cares! In fact, they continue to say Miss. State has a great defense.
If Michigan allows ND to rack up 500 yards of offense, it automatically leads to everyone in the stadium screaming "F---!" and going all emo and bitching and moaning.
This is a new year. A new scheme. We're here to win. And if you want to keep complaining, then you're better off not being a fan.
I think the main thing we have to work on is being multiple enough to stop the scripted plays that other teams will run. The commentators were saying that the first 15 plays that EMU ran were uncharacteristic of their offense so we need to work on better defending scripted plays.
The biggest and most promising thing I've seen is adjustments. I'd much rather have an iffy 1st quarter and get things right for the rest of the game than have a good 1st quarter and have attrocious 2nd and 3rd quarters like RR's teams.
Also, don't forget Roh has been hampered by an illness that has apparently left him drained. Looks like he's on the way back seeing his performance today. If we beat San Diego State I wouldn't be surprised if we go into EL 6-0.
They came out and loaded the offensive line with 6 and 7 OL"s. They broke some of their tendencies early and confused the defense. Once we figured out what was going on we pretty much shut them down. Kudo's to the EMU staff and ours.