WTF was up with replay ref?

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:31 AM
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WTF was up with replay ref?

I am just glad we won, because I would have had an aneurism from that BS call at the end of the game.

I don't know HOW any ref in his right mind could reverse the call on the field on that play. They had two camera angles available for review and NEITHER of the cameras were placed exactly on th goal line. The camera from Fitz' backside was slightly inside the goal line which made it appear like Fitz was short, but the opposite angle camera was slightly short of the goal line and it made Fitz look like he was in.

There is no WAY anyone could be positive that he was in or not. You know it was not conclusive when even a Ohio homer like Spielman is saying you can't overturn that call.

If you ask me, that ref had some money riding on the game.

If Braxton hit that receiver right after that play, we would be in a world of hurt right now, because of the refs.

I just don't get it, how can anyone justify reversing that call?

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:33 AM | He was probably (Score:5 Normal)
hart20
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A former coach for a OSU player. Seriously, that was a terrible fucking call.

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November 27th, 2011 at 2:02 AM | We did not get any help all day (Score:5 Normal)
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The fact we overcame the refs, other self-inflicted wounds and still won the game, incredible.

November 27th, 2011 at 1:34 AM | "If Braxton hit that receiver (Score:3 Normal)
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"If Braxton hit that receiver right after that play, we would be in a world of hurt right now, because of the refs."

 

But we aren't!  Go Blue!  Enjoy yourself

November 27th, 2011 at 11:35 AM | If Braxton had hit that receiver (Score:5 Underrated)
ChalmersE
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Denard would have brought Michigan right back down the field and Gibbons would have won it!!!!!

November 27th, 2011 at 1:34 AM | Nope (Score:5 Normal)
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Neither could anyone on twitter. Mike Pereira, former NFL head of ref's, couldnt justify the call either

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:42 AM | Link? (Score:1 Normal)
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Link?

November 27th, 2011 at 1:52 AM | insert link here (Score:5 Normal)
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RE: Fitz TD review RT RT : There was NOT enough to reverse that.
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November 27th, 2011 at 1:43 PM | http://msn.foxsports.com/coll (Score:2 Normal)
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http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Mike-Pereira-Some-reversals-need-more-evidence-112611

HORRIBLE call... I couldn't believe it. 

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:36 AM | FWIW... (Score:4 Normal)
4godkingandwolv...
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... I thought Spielman controlled himself pretty well today.  

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:41 AM | (Score:2 Normal)
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They left the Urban talk to a minimum as well.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:00 AM | For some reason, I came away (Score:2 Normal)
coldnjl
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For some reason, I came away from the broadcast with the idea that CS thinks Luke Fickell is a leader...not sure why though

November 27th, 2011 at 2:16 AM | I thought my head was going (Score:3 Normal)
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I thought my head was going to explode when he said that Omameh is our best pulling guard. There were two other things that he said at the beginning of the game that were blatantly incorrect, but I've already blocked what those were from my memory.

November 27th, 2011 at 12:26 PM | He was annoying the shit out (Score:2 Normal)
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He was annoying the shit out of my dad and I all day.  He also never said anything after the spiked ball fiasco.  Not a word for at least five minutes.  I honestly think he left the booth b/c he was so pissed.

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:37 AM | Agree (Score:4 Normal)
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The cameras on each side of the field were not directly on the goal line. The on field call of TD should have stood since there was no indisputable evidence to overturn.

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November 27th, 2011 at 10:40 AM | only 1 view actually showed .. (Score:4 Normal)
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the entire football and the knee down.  Result TD!   The other angle does not show the entire ball plus they kept stopping it BEFORE the knee was actually down.  This replay ref should lose his job.

Go Blue!

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:37 AM | that was the worst call I've (Score:5 Normal)
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that was the worst call I've seen in a college football game ever.

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:44 AM | sorry, but the worst call (Score:5 Normal)
switch26
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sorry, but the worst call ever seen was in the big east game, where they reviewed the field goal which clearly goes through the uprights, then they say it never did.. even after the replay 

November 27th, 2011 at 1:52 AM | (Score:5 Normal)
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That would have been Toledo getting hosed against Syracuse this year. They called the extra point good when it was clearly not.

November 27th, 2011 at 2:28 AM | I go to toledo and I'm still (Score:5 Normal)
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I go to toledo and I'm still bitter.

 

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November 27th, 2011 at 10:02 AM | I went to Syracuse and after (Score:-1 Flamebait)
November 27th, 2011 at 1:53 AM | I agree it was a terrible, (Score:5 Normal)
marlon
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I agree it was a terrible, terrible call, but it's not on this level:

Kicking team touches the ball before it travels 10 yards AND the receiving team still recovers the ball, but the refs give the ball to the kicking team. Total mindfuck.

November 27th, 2011 at 3:09 AM | That is just pathetic. I hope (Score:3 Normal)
redhousewolverine
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That is just pathetic. I hope someone got fired or at least reprimaned severely for that. Jesus.

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November 27th, 2011 at 5:42 AM | There were consequences (Score:5 Normal)
Seth9
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The Pac 10 suspended the crew for a game and formally apologized to Oklahoma for royally screwing them. The replay official winded up taking a leave of absense for the remainder of the season and was demoted to a technical assistant the year after.

November 27th, 2011 at 8:46 AM | They used to use a homer for replay. (Score:1)
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If I remember correctly, back then the PAC 10 allowed the home team to select the replay official, and it was some old dude who was a booster and fan, kind of the way the official running the clock used to be.  They changed the way replay officials were selected after that.

November 27th, 2011 at 8:50 AM | i've got one better (Score:1)
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I forget the year, but several years ago Carlyle Holiday was starting for Notre Dame against Michigan. The game was in South Bend, and I was sitting on the 20 yard line about 40 rows up. Notre Dame was inside the 10 and they had a bad shotgun snap. The ball never left the field where Carlyle should have recieved the ball, but he ran into the endzone like he still had the ball. It was called a TD, and I was looking at the Michigan D-lineman holding the ball up, dumbfounded that they could be so wrong. Can anybody find a clip of that? I would love to see it again...

November 27th, 2011 at 2:26 PM | it was 2002 (Score:1)
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cant find video but it was 2002

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:40 AM | Apparently it was the same (Score:5 Normal)
jmblue
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Apparently it was the same officiating crew (including replay guy) as we had against Iowa, which raises some questions.

November 27th, 2011 at 2:00 AM | This can't be mentioned (Score:5 Normal)
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This can't be mentioned enough.  We may not have won the Iowa gm, but I'll always think that was a TD catch by Hemingway.

And WTF has been up with all the holding that has been allowed this year?  Perhaps it's some homerism, but I thought our DLine didn't get as many holding calls as they deserved.

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November 27th, 2011 at 10:16 AM | Iowa & Ohio State crews (Score:5 Normal)
Alton
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It may have been the same replay guy--they don't print the replay guy's name in the box score--but it was a different crew of on-field refs.

Michigan at Iowa:  R-Capron, U-Neale, H-Ryan, L-Krispinsky, B-Lyman, F-Terry, S-Sagers.

Ohio at Michigan:  R-LeMonnier, U-Shaw, H-Dolce, L-Livas, B-Buchanan, F-Clay, S-Swanson

The crew for yesterday's game was the same crew as for the Michigan-Michigan State game.

November 27th, 2011 at 1:41 AM | And what was with the (Score:5 Normal)
Chunks the Hobo
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And what was with the "personal foul" tacked on to the holding call? I don't even recall being shown it on replay, like, at all. Was there a personal foul?

But anyway...

Suck it, Ohio. Suck it, refs who tried to throw the game to Ohio. Go Blue!

Got a quarter?

November 27th, 2011 at 1:46 AM | Watson hammered a guy when (Score:5 Normal)
enlightenedbum
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Watson hammered a guy when Denard was five or six yards deep in the end zone.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.  But whatever, we won!

November 27th, 2011 at 1:56 AM | Yeah (Score:4 Normal)
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It was definitely a penalty, and those two mental mistakes on that play could've lost them the game. Still a great game. FWIW, I did think Fitz was short on the TD run, but that was mostly just a gut feeling. There was no way to tell through that replay.

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November 27th, 2011 at 2:02 AM | My Mistake (Score:4 Normal)
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I initially thought that the defender just stopped and he ran into him on that play for the personal foul.  But that was pure homerism, it was definitely a personal foul.  FWIW, the holding call was legit too.  Frustrating as hell, but that wasn't bad officiating.  The Fitz TD, on the other hand...

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:48 AM | yeah ref sucked but we won, so... (Score:4 Normal)
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screw the refs. We beat tsio and we beat the refs too.

I'd have to watch the play where we got 2 fouls again - I can't believe that. Had we got a TD there it would have been all over.

November 27th, 2011 at 1:41 AM | I just cannot for the life of (Score:5 Normal)
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I just cannot for the life of me understand why the cameras aren't just ON the goal line?!?! What possible benefit can there be to having them on opposite sides of the line??? 

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:45 AM | Spielman only points it out (Score:4 Normal)
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Spielman only points it out every time it comes up. I can't understand why they wouldn't either. Can the B1G not afford 48 (4x12) cameras? Do we have to rely on ESPN (sorry, Disney) to provide video equipment? 

November 27th, 2011 at 1:42 AM | There's been a lot of calls (Score:2 Normal)
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There's been a lot of calls reversed to be set at the one foot line since instant replay became a major factor in officiating. I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the talking points in whatever happens in these "hey focus on this rule" officiating meetings that we hear about at the begining of the season (commentators pointing out the "don't blast them in the head" rules). That's the only reason I can see that they reversed it. Regardless, with the camera angles available, the ruling on the field (whether TD or down before) should have stood. There was really nothing to review. 

November 27th, 2011 at 1:45 AM | If you enjoy conspiracies, (Score:5 Normal)
Brhino
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If you enjoy conspiracies, consider the spread for the game, and note how overturning that call flipped us to the other side of it.  Hmm.

November 27th, 2011 at 12:09 PM | Conspiracy or not, this is (Score:2)
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Conspiracy or not, this is the only explanation (other than downright incompetence) I've seen that makes any sense.  I don't know that there was enough evidence to confirm the call on the field, but there sure wasn't enough to reverse there.

November 27th, 2011 at 1:49 AM | You're right (Score:3 Normal)
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From one side he was in, the other side looked like he was short. BS. Total BS.

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November 27th, 2011 at 1:52 AM | Why not fix the system by (Score:2 Normal)
NoMoPincherBug
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Why not fix the system by doing either putting true goaline cams in every stadium....

or better yet, imbed a small chip in every football and place detectors at every goal line.  When the ball crosses the goal, the sensor goes off ... TD

Or is that too futuristic to achieve?  I doubt that it is...

November 27th, 2011 at 2:02 AM | Too Difficult? (Score:1)
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It may be too difficult, unless the whole cover of the football has sensors on it. I'm not sure that is possible or the NCAA would allow that change to the football itself because it might affect how the ball performs.

November 27th, 2011 at 2:05 AM | Cost vs. Benefit says no. (Score:2 Insightful)
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Cost vs. Benefit says no. Goaline cams are far enough. 

November 27th, 2011 at 2:26 AM | How much do you think the (Score:1)
joeyb
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How much do you think the cameras they use cost?  I would bet that 4 cameras cost 10x what it would cost to put 6 sensors (2 points and 4 sides) on each of the balls and at the sides of either goalline.

November 27th, 2011 at 2:43 AM | I'm in favor of cameras, (Score:5 Insightful)
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I'm in favor of cameras, sensors is where I would draw the line. Have you ever spiked an IPhone? They don't like that so much. Designing against that, ontop of the cost of the football already, and at that volume leads to a product that just doesn't deliver enough benefits (that would be relevant what, once in the past couple years of Michigan football?) to outweigh the costs. I remember a segment on Good Morning America where they advertised a GPS outifttied golf ball, but it cost about ~$200 a golf ball (Not going to cite, dismiss if you please. This was about 2 years ago, for reference.). We could take the loses from that product sure, but you've got to sell that not only to Dave Brandon, but to every AD in D1-FBS, and not everyone can just write off a loss like that and keep their job. 

November 27th, 2011 at 3:39 AM | damn... (Score:1)
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That was the most intelligent counter punch that I have ever read on this board.  Way to go Nardudeski...and Im not being sarcastic.  If you had Twitter, I'd follow you.

November 30th, 2011 at 1:17 AM | I wasn't saying I was in (Score:1)
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I wasn't saying I was in favor of either of them, but to say that the cost of the sensors outweighs the cameras that they use for television is kind of ridiculous. Honestly, just instruct the camera men to be on the goalline next time and this won't be an issue.

November 27th, 2011 at 2:32 AM | ? (Score:2 Normal)
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I get tackled at the 1 and stick the football over the goal line after i'm down.  Sensors say TD.  How does that in any way help?

Sticking loads of cameras down there doesn't help either.  You would need humans at every one making sure they were in focus.  Those 48 people would cost lots of money and be super bored 99.9% of the time.  It just doesn't happen enough to justify this sort of attention.

In the end, you're relying on one replay official sitting upstairs to determine the result.  Easiest fix is to make it a panel of 3 with majority rules.  1 guy in the pressbox for routine events, have a replay screen for the ref on the field, and 1 guy at the B1G offices or something that gives him zero context of what the game/score/situation is when a replay is called for.  Leaving the decision in the hands of one really old crochety guy seems like a bad decision.

November 27th, 2011 at 2:38 AM | Like they said, you either (Score:1)
joeyb
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Like they said, you either synchronize the signal with the film, or you have lights that go off.

The real problem, though, is that I don't think that you would get the pinpoint accuracy from sensors that others think you would get. With something that is within an inch of the goalline and with the receptors being 20 yards away, I could see a lot of false positives or false negatives.

November 27th, 2011 at 3:12 AM | eh (Score:1)
Tacopants
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accuracy would be an issue because of chip accuracy, i could easily see them being damaged, and to be within a couple of centimeters would be pretty pricey.

Sensors would be easy, you would just put them underneath the goal line.  You're never going to be more than 4-5 feet over one.  Again it becomes an issue of cost vs. actual benefit.

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