I also agree with Karpodiem, and if I didnt agree I wouldnt act like a child about it. I know there were different authors at one point and or Bryan wrote more...who knows...things be different though.
writing style of front page content
There's plenty of sites that'll give you the straightforward news and I don't think mgoblog has ever been that type of site. I can't say I've noticed too much of a change other than there's more content overall maybe that's why you're feeling that way.
While I think it's kind of a dick move to put it how you put it (immediately after a front page post criticizing a specific poster), I do get your point. I think the lack of content has a lot to do with how boring and stable the teams are respectfully.
As huge as a Big Ten Title race is, it's not nearly as nerve racking and content producing as a bubble team (and I am 100% ok with that). Similarly we spent the offseason of 2009 debating whether to keep RR and the 2010/2011 olfseasons on how/if we could use Denard effectively. There's not the same divisive topics available this offseason. We pretty much all agree Mattison is awesome and how good we think Devin will be is a matter of degree (I think he'll be honorable mention all-Big Ten, but to each his own).
The ugly thing lurking under the rock is that we've never really replaced TomVH and Tim. Ace has grown into more of a basketball guy and tends just to post recruiting summaries of content that have already appeared on the board or Twitter. Useful if you don't F5 the board every 15 minutes, but a bit of a let down from the glory days of TomVH predicting the future. These days Sam Webb's Twitter is the sole free way to gaze into the future.
As for the rest of the content, I figure this year's football content suffers slightly because it lacks the luster of last year's content about a team that went 11-2 and won a BCS bowl. If you go into the article feeling a bit down after a loss, it is harder to be impressed by it. Some of 2008 and 2009 work suffered from the the dark cloud over the program. There were some real gems there as suffering breeds artistic genius, but also so dark times.
As for a specific callout against Seth it seems over the top. Seth is Seth and you know what you get when you read him. No one says you have to like it, but it isn't like he randomly posts goatse after the jump to burn you. His style is consistent and he has his established roles. Just scroll on past like how you flip past Sharp and Rosenburg columns in print media. If Seth suddenly was put in charge of UFRs and did them all parody style, I could see going for the torch and pitchfork style thing, but not over this. If anything has changed it seems that now MGoBlog will get up filler content quickly, be it a barebones profile or humor to convey the news and then post serious info later. As in over the weekend the fun posts goes up, come Monday we see a post on what this means, who we can hire to replace him, etc.
(I'm kidding, no one reads newspapers anymore.)
I don't think Tim was any big loss. Just about anyone could do what Tim did if they were given Scout, Rivals, 247, and ESPN memberships. Ace does just fine.
I just tend to lump it as the Tom and Tim recruiting era, even though TomVH was really the keystone of it. I liked Tim since we was able to get film on some of the lower star guys that weren't as well scouted and had out their own highlights.
What really made this blog for me though was the recruiting coverage coupled with the Brian UFRs and explanations of RR's offensive and the 3-3-5. The former is definitely missed.
Didn't Tremendous announce on the board that he was joining mgoblog a few months before he went to 247? That deal falling through was a big blow IME.
All the writers may not be my best buddies if we hung out, but I think they're all pretty good dudes. Tim went out of his way to be a dick too often. Someone would ask an innocent question and he'd be all up in their face.
I miss the guys who have come and gone*, but Tim, not so much.
*Heiko trying to take time to be a doctor and stuff has hurt the variety of front page content too.
Tim was a bum.
He wrote poorly and greeted every criticism with a power trip.
He also didn't seem to be very knowledgeable about Michigan football pre-2005-ish.
I'd have to agree. I couldn't read his press conference "transcripts" at all, they were just (bad) summaries of the conferences, lazily written and lifeless. TVH was the real blow.
If I had to identify a weak link now, it'd probably be Seth. No offense to him, he seems like a very nice guy. His style is just too over the top most of the time, I generally either skim or skip his front page stuff. I read all of his comments, and think he's a valuable contributor, just don't like his writing style.
Now Tim is dragging down the quality of The Wolverine. I like the layout of Rivals better than the other sites, but the lack of quality info over there is making me reconsider my subscription.
I agree to some extent, and I think the problem could be solved with some site page that describes all these inside jokes and unique word usuage. I've been reading for some 3+ years and I still have trouble understanding some of the things on the site
but I do seem to recall that the style was one of the things that drove me to click enough to remember the URL back before Chromium opened with a tab for MGoBlog.
Is this the Sunday night drinking thread?!? Because I'm housed. Coors Light!!!!
You can get housed on Coors Light? You must be young.
I'm sure you could get housed on Coors Light too. The beauty of it is you can drink a ton of it quickly. Have you ever played flip cup or beer pong? I bet you weren't doing it with Sierra Nevada.
Tom Izzo level whining going on here. This site is free. Hello!
Informative? Yes, always.
Straightforward? Um, no. Not ever. Not even close.
Some like Brian's style, some don't. Some like the other contributors' individual style, some don't. I'm in the former category on both, but y'all can choose to read or ignore any of the blog's contributors if you like.
But shit, man, if it's your personal style to complain about specific writers who contribute content to a free blog, I don't know. Seems dickish. Whatever.
Long time lurker. Just wanted to say the writing keeps me coming back. Love the blog!
We need a new banner asap
From the ethics page on this site:
Clever nicknames will be kept to a minimum. I'll use something sporadically but I will not go into full TMQ mode. Cute nicknames just get annoying after a while.
I enjoy obscure references, nerdy senses of humor, and the rest. Howeva, I think MGoBlog has been drifting in the "TMQ" direction (as Brian dubbed it) for the past couple months. I'd say that referential analogies are a bit too common to be read without difficulty; your average person will have to either google it, or have a good chunk of the jokes go right over their heads. MGoBlog is becoming a little too difficult to read if you're not already familiar with MGoBlog, and even then it's tough.
Another thing I miss is "Brian's songs", as the MGoHoF puts it. I feel like the blog has become a little too pigeonholed; if it's not part of a regular feature (UV, Friday Recruitin, Mondays Posgame Column, Hokepoints [don't like the name change, but YMMV]), it generally doesn't make an appearance on the blog. Why can't people just write features on what they feel like from time to time? The out-of-the-ordinary posts are often the ones I'm most interested in.
That being said, all this is nitpicking on what is, in general, an excellent blog.
I will say, I think the Hoke pointing thing was at the point of only having a handful of bloody feathers left and that was back in Dec. Now we don't even have the feathers anymore.
Yeah, I've never been particularly impressed with the Hoke pointing meme (distinct from Hokepoints, the former Michigan Museday column). That being said, repeated jokes don't really bother me, with a few exceptions (Kozan's vision quest; constant Kate Upton fawning).
Edit: For the love of all things holy, people, please stop negging the OP. You might not agree with the point, but the fact is that this is a good topic of discussion, as evidenced by the fact that there's been like 80 responses in an hour. Unless you want to prove the smartasses right who claim that we're all MGoLemmings, don't neg just because you're offended.
Also, please neg me for mentioning voting.
I don't have a problem wth the OP, but you've certainly been around long enough to realize that quantity of posts in a thread often has very little to do with the quality of the OP.
I want to argue with you because your avatar looks inviting to argue with.
However, I agree 100% that the writers should be beholden a little less to the standard recurring articles and be given a little more leway to write on topics/styles/interests that are truly their own. That is how Brian became so successful and that is how any writer finds his/her true and most effective voice.
If you just want to read dry sports content, go to mlive or the freep. That is what makes this site different than them. Plus it's not like you're paying anything for this, so I don't really understand why you're complaining?
I don't think people are complaining about the writing style in general. It just seems that the attempts to be witty are now outnumbering the football/basketball/sports-related posts, or at least the ratio is getting closer and closer to 50/50. Whereas Brian used to post news-worthy content frequently and then sprinkle in a funny post every once in awhile, now it seems that Brian posts funny things at the same rate but various other posters are attempting the same on a weekly basis.
It's definitely a change, and people are resistant to change. If I discovered this blog today, I would be interested, but I don't know if I would latch on as much as I did several years ago. But some people might be latching on more today than they would have back in 2006. As I said above in the thread, different strokes for different folks.
I'm an ISU and UM fan. I'm a much bigger ISU fan in terms of how much I care. All of that said, I read this blogs main content much more than I read the largest ISU information site's main content. It's because this stuff is fun to read. When I read the ISU stuff, it's a re-hash of what espn or some other news site wrote about the game or what the local paper wrote about something. It's just very bland. The humor and other off the wall stuff is what I like about this place.
I feel like Seth tries too hard to be like Brian. Ace has his own style and I love reading his stuff.
I've sat here for 10 minutes trying to nail down my opinion on this subject. I don't know, man. I'm still not sure if I agree with the OP, but there are some elements of truth. For me, I feel like Brian is still Brian, but the subject matter this football offseason has been lacking. Sure, the basketball team is doing well, but that means that most of the frontpage/UV stuff is talking about KenPom numbers, eFG %, and other basketball stats that lose their luster after they've been talked about after every game for 12 weeks. Gifs are forced, the recruiting information is copy-pasted from other sites (or the board), and there are not enough free-form, personal, or unscripted columns (i.e. get out of the mold of UV, recruiting, hokepoints, dear diary, and game columns). What I look forward to most are the 3 or 4 paragraphs of Brian's writings in the game columns that are heartfelt.
Surely the site lost something big when TomVH left, but it wasn't like he was a great writer. He simply had information that everyone coveted -- his posts were elementary but informative, and he had the type of charisma and humor that translated through his posts. I feel like I could say much more, but out of respect for the site (that is free, by the way), I am ending my thoughts here for now. If you really don't like the direction of the FP, you'll end up visiting the site less and you'll vote with your feet -- I don't know if this type of open dialogue is helpful or rude.
there are not enough free-form, personal, or unscripted columns (i.e. get out of the mold of UV, recruiting, hokepoints, dear diary, and game columns). What I look forward to most are the 3 or 4 paragraphs of Brian's writings in the game columns that are heartfelt.
I think this is the key. Don't get too corporate and inflexible, and you'll have my readership.
I miss a lot of the jokes; if I have a moment, I hit up the googles or click through a link to see to what the allusion is. Allusion probably my favorite literary device; done well, enhanced meaning per word skyrockets.
I'm getting older, though. Not older as in "I used to be a freshman but now I'm a junior", older as in "there's a new funny movie coming out about a kid turning 21 that there is no way in hell I'm going to see because my wife won't want to watch it with me and I don't have even close to enough discretionary alone time to miss watching important sports for a college kid movie". So there will be a lot of jokes in that movie that are funny, and there will be allusions to them, probably even on the front page, and I will miss the allusions. Such is life.
Long story somewhat shorter, I'm OK with missing a few inside jokes. I won't be missing any front page content because of it.
I like turtles
My first reaction to the OP was that if he doesn't like it, stop reading and move along (as many have mentioned).
On the otherhand, I'm sure Brian & Co. would benefit from this type of info if it is shared by others. It sounds like it is shared by more than I thought.
I love the witty writings and I always long for new front page content. Still, I could see it either getting tiresome to some or a little unbalanced to new readers. This type of quality, slightly-quirky writing is one of the things that does set MGo apart and I'm sure this style of Brian's is one of the reasons that MGo has become so successful. I think the new contributers mostly follow that style well, yet in their own voice.
With this said, I don't think it would hurt for a little more "hard content", although I hadn't thought about this until reading this post.
I read every damn front page post. The only ones I occassionally regret reading are the team previews (redundant info for me), the new Twitter-thing, and sometimes Dear Diary.
But it's like cocaine and I'm like Rick James. I just can't stop myself from reading it all.
Thanks for all the front-page writers!
Agree. I skip everything written by Seth.
I enjoy the different writing styles and the inside jokes. I like the idea of being entertained while I get knowed up on UM sports. Boring and straight forward doesn't hold my attention any more. I'm getting old. I don't waste time on things I don't enjoy unless I'm getting paid.
I think more than the style, its the content. Its now mostly summaries of things that I already knew (or at least anyone could know if I visited any other site). This is in contrast to when tomVH was here and he was breaking actual news and other interesting information, and not as much of the summaries. This isn't really ace/seth's fault, its just that it's hard to keep the amount of solid information coming the way TomVH did...
This would have been better handled as a personal email to Brian.
I disagree. I'm big enough boy to take some criticism on a quite wide scale of productivity, and capable of separating someone's point from where they're being an ass. If some people don't give a damn for my writing, at the least they can't say I don't give a damn what they have to say.
On the other hand Brian has never passed on any criticism to me nor made any suggestions other than to split Dear Diary and my weekly musing post about into two posts. So if that's the route people have been going it's definitely not working.
Sides I'm enjoying this thread way more than doing my late great aunt's taxes, which is what it's distracting me from.
Is it just me, or has Seth's doing of taxes become somewhat less interesting than it used to be? I mean, sure he's still completing the right forms, but it seems like lately he's just going through the motions.