Would TP Even Get the Job Back?
In light of the discussions about whether or not Pryor will declare for the supplemental draft or return to OSU, I have a question to consider. If he does return, will he even get the job back? While Terrell and his guardian seem to be assuming that is a given, I don't find it as clear. If Braxton Miller can win the first five games, why try to make the transition halfway through the season? It is uncertain if he will be able to shake off the rust, and it's not like Miller was a poor prospect coming out of high school.
Maybe more importantly, will Luke Fickell have warm feelings for Terrell after these next few months? He didn't do it singlehandedly, but it is pretty easy to attribute a lot of OSU's current difficulties to Pryor's unique blend of stupidity, entitlement, and immaturity. Even if his ability does not decline while he is on the bench, Fickell might keep him there as a matter of principle. It would show the NCAA and the other OSU players that proper standards have become relevant at OSU.
At any rate, I don't find the answer as obvious as some do. Any thoughts?
I think Pryor would have to be way better than the other options to be allowed to start again after the way this mess is turning out. And don't forget that there is more to come. I think he is out of there. He is shouldering the burden of too many insults from the "faithful" TSIO fanbase, and even current and former players. I would guess that attorney is helping him maximize his options.
His success on the field seems to be more a product of raw athleticism than meticulously practiced repetitions at a particular skill. If they needed some wins to keep them from whatever our 2008 would look like for them, I'm guessing he'd get a long look.
Pryor is what? 36-4? I know there's an asterisk involved but the guy wins games. Miller, OTOH is a true freshman. The job is Pryor's unless he's playing TE for an NFL scout team or is in the CFL.
why do so many project their fantasies on OSU football? That shithouse milks everything it can in its river of denial and cesspool of obfuscations. Most of us on the westside believe Pryor won't last the season though. I can see why he would try to have free education and pro training, whether starting or not, but this fire is cookin' and he could easily lose the year.
Please explain your avatar. It is solid. Yes, I realize this comment is borderline RCMB.
Was described by jim tressel as "lost" during spring practice. Buckeye fans dubbed him the next troy smith because they saw him put up average stats during the sping game against the 2nd unit, but if they want to start a freshman that's fine with me.
IF Pryor does come back, i don't think there's any doubt the job will be his. The only way its not is if Bauserman or Braxton Miller plays lights out and goes 5-0....and i don't think either of those will happen :)
We should already know that freshman players play like freshman players, If they want to delude themselves so be it, I've been there.
I don't see how Pryor doesn't start if he returns......he'll simply be starting each game as the team's Chief Distraction And Tangible Representation Of Disgrace.
Tell us all we need to know about first year starters after the first 5 games.
- I get the point that starting a freshman is not usually a good idea. However, when you are facing an NCAA investigation, starting the ringleader is not a good idea either. I can understand if Fickell does not think that starting Pryor is worth the baggage. It might be a possibility to sit him additional games, or even the season. If this isn't a "violation of team rules" or whatever they usually call it, I don't know what is. Just because the NCAA can't pin the car stuff on him does not mean that OSU can't look and determine that he has not been following school policy, and that was not covered by the 5 game suspension. Thus, he could easily face further school discipline. The obvious counterpoint to that argument is that it would basically mean admitting that there was additional rulebreaking, which might not be a good idea either.
However, when you are facing an NCAA investigation, starting the ringleader is not a good idea either.If the NCAA determines that Pryor is good to go after serving a five-game suspension, what would be the problem in playing him? (And why is Pryor the ringleader? Wouldn't that be Tressel?)
Well, the five game suspension was just for what was known about Tatgate and Tatgate only at that time. More info is coming out every day, and the NCAA is doing a special Pryor car investigation now (his 8 cars in three years), besides investigating the OSU program as a whole. So I wouldn't say that the NCAA necessarily said that he is good to go just yet. If Fickell and the OSU powers that be think that he might have any more wrongdoing that will tick off the NCAA, they might be wise not to play him. Not that I have more of an idea than you do how that will turn out. i'm just not sure that the upside of him returning halfway through the season would be worth what could turn out to aggravate an already aggravated NCAA. Gotta say if I was an OSU player who did follow the rules, assuming that there are any, I wouldn't be too friendly upon the return of one of the guys whose selfishness ruined the program. (assuming that you think this whole thing will)
I suppose, now that I think about it, most of us now believe that the whole tats for autographs thing was going on before Pryor got there, so he probably isn't necessarily a ringleader so much as the guy who (apparently) got the most stuff out of that deal. I wouldn't really call Tressel the ringleader either though, as I doubt he really encouraged them to do that. Kind of a case of everyone involved contributing a little guilt.
I'm going to assume that the NCAA will come up with some kind of ruling on the Pryor matter before October. They'll try to wrap that up to give him a chance to play if he's still eligible. I don't think it's likely that the investigation would be ongoing when the five games are up.
I don't have a clue. I can totally see why the NCAA would move quickly, but I don't know how much of a need they are going to feel to do him any favors. They pretty much got burned by him and his buddies when they let them play in the Sugar Bowl. They are being laughed at right now on account of this, and the Cam Newton thing. (I know it isn't OSU's fault about that, but the NCAA is just getting ridiculed for being patsies in general now)
However, if the investigation is done when the five games are up, I have no trouble imagining that Terrell is no longer allowed to play NCAA football. Your take on the outcome of that one ?
that the NCAA will not come up with a definitive ruling on Pryor or others by October. Thus OSU will be taking a risk in playing Pryor. That will be excuse enough not to play him, which is the desired result for the NCAA and OSU.
Because overwhelming evidence is driving his car investigation instead of just rumor he'll be found ineligible for the whole next year anyways. Even if they don't finally rule before game 6 the new coach knows it and won't play him just to have more games he started revoked after the fact.
I can't see Braxton Miller beating Kyle Singler Joe Bauserman.With OSU's talent level (and the Tresselball mindset), they'll probably go with the game managing upperclassman over the high ceiling freshman.
Does anyone on here happen to know who the Bucks' presumed starter is at this point, for the first five games anyway? I had been thinking Miller, but maybe I was wrong in assuming that.
Bauserman is a former walk-on senior that has a total career yardage of 320 with two TD's and an INT, Miller is a four star true freshman. It should be interesting to see who they go with.
or at least getting miller decent reps as a situational goaline qb or 3rd and shorts similar to what they did with pryor/boekman when he was young.
Here it is folks: evidence for why you take a QB every year.
How many games does Pryor have to win, and how good of stats does he have to put up before UM fans admit that he's pretty darn good?
...with the caveat that 1 != 1*.
If the Browns win a Super Bowl with Pryor at the helm, all will be forgiven.
but he has to do it on a team full of eligible players. He has yet to do that
He's weird. I watch him and can't figure out why he isn't better. I've got a bunch of OSU fans on one side of my family and they feel the same way. It's not an issue of him being a good college QB, it's that he could be elite--IMO.
That would be sweet if Braxton Miller displaced TP.....kind of like what he did to Todd Boeckman in 2008.
Uh, I don't know about that.
I don't think I want Braxton Miller to turn out to be a phenom of some kind. I'm already nervous enough about him. I remember watching his highlight tape and he looked more polished as a passer than most D-1 starters as a jr. in h.s.
I'd rather BM turns out to be a total bust.
How many years has Bauserman been on that team???
He must be like 27 ...
It's Pryor all the way. He might have bad mechanics and not much intelligence or NFL future as a QB, but he still wins and is almost impossible to stop when he breaks containment. I mean, he's nearly as fast as Denard but the size of most LBs. He's the best option OSU has, but of course he probably won't be eligible.
do you misspell one of the most notorious names in the NCAAF? It's Pryor'; Ohio's favorite dickhead. If you can't spell, you should avoid posting.
Those in glass houses should probably learn how to use semicolons.
Apologies for not reading any of the learned responses. The question is silly.
Despite anyone's feelings for the character of Mr. Pryor, he was one of the top several QBs in the Big Ten last year, which given the talent meant he was one of the top several QBs in the NCAA last year. Even with the lack of repetitions he would have been a much better option than a top-rated freshman QB or a run-of-the-mill back up in theprogram if you wanted to win right away. I think the question is not one that requires a lot of pondering. Sorry.
Well, you're wrong. This situation requires looking beyond past stats and W/L record.
My question is if at some point pryor does play again, the first time he runs on the field do the 10,000 alumni and 74,000 truck drivers cheer or boo him?
It seems that almost everyone here is completely ignoring team chemistry. How many guys on the team really don't want to play with/for Pryor anymore? You may also be underestimating the vitriol toward him from the Buckeye faithful. I haven't been able to find anybody down here this past week who isn't done with him. I would be amazed if he received even a lukewarm reception the first time he takes the field at home this season.
I don't think it's possible for a guy who is hated by his own fanbase to return and lead a football team.
Sure it is. Fickell says, "shut up, this is our best shot at winning" and the grumbling gets quiet. I can't imagine a sizable portion of their team would be willing to lose to see Pryor on the bench.
Ahh, that makes perfect sense. That's why there has never been a QB controversy anywhere, ever. Actually, I guess there's no reason for any team in any sport ever to have any sort of issue amongst players/coaches that spills over into performance on the field. After all, the coach just has to tell them to stfu and it's all good.
Faced with the choice between playing with someone they dislike and losing for the end of their college career, I would imagine they're able to suck it up. Wasn't Mallet supposed to be disliked immensely in the Arkansas locker room? It's not like he got them to a BCS bowl or anything this year. Bottom line, Pryor (if he's eligible) will play and win games for OSU. Saying anything else is pretty stupid.
I think you would be very surprised at the response OP would get to this question on a Buckeye board. Do. Not. Want. is the general sentiment down here. They want the Pryor era to be over and it will be very interesting to hear what sort of reception he gets if/when he is on the field this fall.
But it doesn't matter what the fans think. Frankly, it doesn't matter what their team thinks either. I can't think of a time where a star quarterback was sat because he was unpopular off the field.
We'll see what happens. The Shoe gets pretty loud.
Honestly the most likely thing seems to be that he'll be ruled off the field by the NCAA. 11W confirmed this while they were waiting for the SI story and it doesn't seem too far fetched.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other, imo. Believe me, there are a LOT of people down here who never want to see him again. It will make a difference.
Bottom line is team chemistry counts for something. Luke Fickell isn't going to get 100% positive attitude and effort from each and every guy on the team by saying, "Shut up and like it." They aren't robots.
You can throw out Mallet or Leaf or whatever other asshole QB you want as an example. Their teammates never had, "he broke rules, put himself above the program, and basically shit on us" type of motivation for wanting a guy to just go away. I really think people are underestimating the potential fracture here.
His godfather believes Pryor will return for the fall season and not enter the supplemental draft.
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