DRob can take the snap and throw it to himself. No need to change positions and it allows an extra blocker.
Would it be in Denard's best interest to switch positions now?
Why does our OP assume being "better off" means getting a big NFL paycheck instead of contributing and being a leader of a University of Michigan squad? If I were Denard, I'd put my time in, be a better version of Pat White, then go on to have an outstanding career as a physicist (since he has already shown us he's discovered time travel).
DENARD's *best* potential draft prospects are as a Percy Harvin type Running Back/Slot Receiver. So, again, in the context of the way the question is posed, it would be best for him to switch positions immediately.
It is, however, beneficial for him to learn the entire offense, how to read defenses, and the overall knowledge and perspective of the game that quarterbacks need to learn. So I don't think his time has been wasted at all to this point.
As far as the team goes, if Tate can prove he is a winner at QB, wouldn't it make sense for the team to have Denard and Tate in the game at the same time?? Doesn't that give the team the best chance to win?
If it doesn't happen by the end of the season, perhaps then it won't. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be on the field, NCAA or otherwise. Time to step up, son.
I see no justification for this statement other than stereotypical assumptions based on dreads and his chromaticity.
He has a cannon for an arm, is getting good at making reads (and has THREE more years to polish it) and is basically un-catchable in the open field.....yeah he CLEARLY has no future in the NFL as a QB. Joey Freakin Harrington was a starting QB in the NFL. Tell me one thing he is better at than Denard even right now let alone three years from now.
Denard has ONE good game (and it's a spring game, no less!) and suddenly he's better than Joey Harrington, who was an excellent college quarterback and the #3 pick in the draft.
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
Denard has had LESS than 1 year in college and you are already saying he has NO CHANCE of being an NFL QB.
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
I didn't realize I said that he has no chance. Here's a quote from my first post in this thread:
"There's a very slim chance that he could play QB at the next level."
"The answer is a no-brainer, and I'm surprised (although not EXTREMELY surprised) that I'm the first to affirm:
The OP said Denard has NO CHANCE to play QB in the NFL. Excuse me to putting these two together!
Also even this statement
"There's a very slim chance that he could play QB at the next level."
is not exactly justifiable. Dan Lefevour (sp?) is being talked about as draftable, are you saying after playing for 4 years at Michigan, DR will have a lower draft potential than DL?
The OP asked if it would be in Denard's best interest to switch positions. That was the title of the entire thread. I said, "Yes. Absolutely."
Also, Dan LeFevour is a completely different case than Denard Robinson. People keep comparing LeFevour and Tebow to Robinson, when both LeFevour and Tebow are very different players.
The more accurate comparisons to Robinson are people like Pat White, Woody Dantzler, and Antwaan Randle El, none of whom have played full-time QB in the NFL.
So he has "a chance" but history suggests that the chance is tiny.
Given his athletic abilities and his work ethic, I think DR qualifies as extraordinary.
So no, he should not give up his dreams because "experts" don't feel he will succeed. On the same vein it would not surprise me one bit if the same experts were hailing Tebow (as much as I hate him) as Rookie of the Year, one year from now.
Well, I guess we'll find out in about 3-5 years whether it's a good idea for him to stay at quarterback.
Personally, I think he's going to be Josh Cribbs.
You obviously have a grander idea of his ability to play quarterback at the next level.
for that young man, especially after listening to him talk and seeing how hard he has worked since he has been here.
Not trying to barge into the argument, but this isn't some morality argument about Denard's ability to play QB in the pros - it is just the reality that a smallish but extremely athletic college QB might have a better chance of being drafted and playing in the NFL if he played a variety of positions. I agree that a move right now might be unnecessary and that Denard has worked very hard to improve his game since last year, but feeling that it would be in his best interests draft-wise to showcase his abilities at other positions isn't degrading the kid - it is just being realistic.
Do you give Mr. Drew Brees the same advice in college?
Why would anyone give Brees the same advice in college? Brees isn't the type of athlete who could play another position.
Listen, if Drew Brees ran on Dilithium AND was one of the most accurate passers in college football history, then you better believe every scout in the pros would have picked him first overall. And if Denard had Brees' accuracy and touch, then he would have started over Tate since Day 1 and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But since the reality is that we have no idea how Denard will fair passing against non-UM defenses playing mostly vanilla packages, and with so many other ways he could help both this team and his draft stock, I do not think it is crazy to suggest he explore other ways to get on the field.
Because while it is always nice to dream about Denard suddenly throwing darts to receivers in tight windows and running past LBs on the way to 60-yard TDs, my sense is that once a couple of veteran teams (like UConn in the opener) start disguising there coverages and taking away his first and second read, we might see Denard play like the first-year signal caller that he effectively is. But put him out in some WR screens where he can get the ball in space and watch out.
While it's absurd to compare denard to Joey harrington you can't say that there is no way in hell he'll get drafted either and that he has no future as a qb. Tim tebow got drafted in the first round... Come on...
Please search this thread and find someplace where I said Denard has "no chance of playing QB in the NFL." You will be searching in vain.
Also, for the billionth time...
Denard Robinson =/= Tim Tebow
They are COMPLETELY different players.
That they are COMPLETELY different players is not the issue. You are not grasping the comparison - people are not comparing Denard to Tebow. They comparing extent of difference between Tebow and Mr. NFL Quarterback and Denard and Mr. NFL Quarterback. The interest here is in comparing how far each one differs from the prototypical NFL quarterback, not in how far Denard and Tebow differ from each other. The topic of interest is not Denard making it to the NFL because he is a duplicate of Tebow, but rather his ability to go through the door Tebow and others have opened for atypical quarterbacks.
Tebow IS Mr. NFL Quarterback, except for the fact that he has an elongated delivery. He's a shade under 6'3" and something like 236 lbs. He's a little thicker than many quarterbacks, but that's not completely out of the ordinary. He's fast (4.72 or something like that) but not lightning fast. He was an elite quarterback prospect coming out of high school.
Denard is far, far away from being Mr. NFL Quarterback. He's short. He's thin-ish. He's super-fast. So far he hasn't thrown a touchdown against anyone other than Baby Seal University. He chose Michigan largely because Rodriguez gave him a shot to play quarterback, while other schools wanted him to play other positions.
Tebow is about one deviation from Prototypical NFL QB. Denard is about four.
You (and others) keep comparing him to Tebow because Tebow is the most recent case, but he's NOT the closest parallel. The closest parallel to Denard is the one that has been reiterated over and over again - guys like Randle El, Pat White, Dantzler, Cribbs, etc.
I never compared Denard to Tebow, get your facts straight. My comment was that others were saying that one more atypical quarterback makes the path that much easier for another to follow - White, Randle El, Vick, paved the way for Tebow. And they are as different from Tebow as Denard is from Tebow, yet they still helped pave the way for Tebow. Again, I am not sure if that is difficult to comprehend or if we are just having different arguments.
I fail to grasp how you can say that White/Vick/Randle El paved the way for Tebow...and that Tebow is paving the way for Denard...but then say you're not comparing Tebow and Denard.
Normally when Person A "paves the way" for Person B, that's because both Person A and Person B have similar traits.
It doesn't make sense to me, but oh well. Maybe that's my fault.
Let me break it down for you Magnus. I think I'm the only one on this thread smart enough to understand what blueblueblue is throwin down:)
Let for the sake of argument say that CNN is the progenitor of all 24 hour cable news networks. Two of CNN's offspring are MSNBC and Fox News. Fox and MSNBC approach the news in a markedly different way but they are related to each other and could in turn help spawn the next generation of 24 hour cable news networks.
Maybe in the future we will have a 24 hour cable news channel featuring cartoon characters and wouldn't that be cool to wake up to on a Saturday morning.
Blueblueblue is saying that Tebow of football present will take us to Denard of football future.
Denard is so 3008 Tebow is so 2000 late, Denard got that BOOM BOOM BOOM.
What I just put down in print may be total bull shit but I enjoyed the process. Isn't that what it's all about anyway.
Denard's dreads are way better than Wolf Blitzer's.
"Oh, you're out of that? Just give me Wolf Blitzer at Burning Man."
The major reason why neither Denard or Tate stand a great chance of getting drafted as a QB is because of their heights. Denard is generously listed at 6'0" by MGoBlue, and Tate is listed about the same. By comparison, Bradford is 6'4", Stafford is 6'2", Tebow is 6'3", Vince Young is 6'5", and Terrelle Pryor is 6'6". Drew Brees and Michael Vick are 6'0", and the one knock against Brees coming out college (and for the first few years of his pro career) was his height, and he was one of the most accurate passers in college football history. Vick was a freak athlete with a cannon like Denard, but was also a bulldozer with the ball and had a better arm than Denard and, let's be honest, was a special case coming out of college.
Listen, I love Tate and Robinson, but Denard is going to need to make immense improvements in accuracy and decision-making if he expects to be drafted as a starting QB, but he could really help his stock if he played more like Percy Harvin and did a bit of everything on the field. I actually feel bad for Tate in this whole mess because he is not as good a fit for the offense as Denard (at least on the option-read), but he doesn't really have another spot on the offense except under center.
His ceiling is super high as a quarterback.... both running and passing. He is just now starting to tap into his potential as a passer. It is scary to think what he can become.
He can be a better version of Michael Vick, Pat White, Vince Young or Tim Tebow. Certainly equally as good. It is all before him.
The guy had minimal quarterback coaching before arriving at Michigan. And his progress as a passer from last year to this year is as stark as night and day. It boggles the mind to think how good he can be as Junior if he continues his arc of development.
DoctorSherwin, you feeling alright?
would like for the young man given a chance to prove himself first. Personally,I believe he will see the field more than we think...true talent has a way of finding itself onto the field.
It would be in Tate's best interest for Denard to switch positions.
Most accurate statement of the thread.
We don't know.
Denard is fast, but we have no idea what else he would bring to the table as a receiver. He doesn't have great NFL size at that position, either. Even if receiver is indeed his optimal position at the next level, NFL teams are increasingly adding wildcat packages, and if Denard could show some QB skills in addition to WR skills, that could enhance his value to a pro team.
regardless of his position.
will Tate fit into Ron English's offensive scheme?
clearly in his financial interest to catch those passes and take those handoffs. Until that happens however he is better off (and so is Michigan) with as many touches as the playbook allows.
QB makes it happen for Denard at this point. As soon as someone shows they can play QB better than Denard (and shows it soon) then, and only then, is he better off playing somewhere else.
Forcier (and maybe Gardner - but I guess not yet) has more to say about this than Denard. If that comes to pass I don't think Denard is going to be left on the sidelines.
Denard should switch sports, to hell with football, it is in his long term interest to switch to baseball. I really don't give a shit if he hates baseball, he can have a much longer career in baseball. Denard can pitch and play center field at the same time. He could probably break Ricky Henderson stolen base record in one game. Extra bonus; the pay is better and since he attends Michigan, George Steinbrenner will pay him whatever it takes.
Denard has a a cannon for an arm, speed to burn, and the patience to keep smiling while people suggest on a daily basis that he is not quite good enough.
Denard please for your own good pick up a glove, some big league chew, a little pine tar, and a bat, Cooperstown awaits you.