worst team in the B1G?
MSU isn't even close. Purdue is awful. MSU has a legit defense that is going to keep them in a lot of games. Purdue has nothing.
State is a middle of the pack team right now, and barring some miracle-in-the-river blessing on one of their quarterbacks, they're gonna just hope they end up even in conference play.
Purdue, however, is making Notre Dame very happy for the future.
Is suddenly very empty.
Is suddenly very empty.
As bad as MSU's offense is, it's probably better than Purdue's and Iowa's.
Iowa beat MSU in East Lansing last year. I don't think Iowa has gotten worse. I KNOW MSU has.
A team comprised of MSU's offense and Nebraska's defense.
I'm actually really looking forward to that matchup this year.
I looked at this for way too long before I realized what you did there.
Come on now. Sparty's offense is horrid, but that defense is enough to keep them in the middle of the pack.
both teams they have played lost, and convincingly so, to I-AA teams. MSU is having dog fights with these teams till the 3rd Qtr when they get a Defensive TD.
Let this sink in for a few seconds. I mean, just read it and don't do anything but digest it for 20-30 seconds.
1) MSU played 2 teams whose defenses allowed their I-AA opponents to score a combined 80 pts.
2) against those same defenses, the MSU offense scored 13pts in BOTH games combined.
unless they improve DRAMATICALLY, they will go 2-6 in the B10.*
* Assuming they play Purdue twice
That is certainly something. I still think that they will beat a few teams this season because of their defense alone... but my original 9-3 prediction is lookin pretty dumb right about now.
Is better than Purdue, Iowa, or MSU's offense. But Iowa and Purdue don't even have very good defenses. MSU is probably middle of the pack. Teams like Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, are all clearly worse at this point because MSU does, in fact, have a great defense.
Sparty sucks but not as bad as Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota. They don't belong in this conversation
After week 2:
Championship tier - UM, OSU
Contending tier - NW, UW
Probably good - NE, PSU
Bad - Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, MSU, Indiana
Craptastic - Purdue
Honestly impossible to evaluation Wiscy or Nebraska. Nebraska beat an 0-12 team last week after getting tested by Wyoming. Wiscy has beaten UMass and Tenn....Tech. I have no idea what Wisconsin is. Northwestern has been impressive, going on the road for a game that usually teams from the Big 10 lose - the early Pac 12 matchup then blasting Syracuse. The final score is not indicative of how dominating NW was yesterday. UM and OSU are really the only 2 balanced teams - all the others are very weighted on one side of the ball or the other. Purdue sucks.
They couldn't block, they couldn't tackle, they had nothing. The BT played almost all wuss teams yesterday that didn't test them at all, so I don't think we can judge much. Except that Purdue really sucks. NW is solid and well-coached, but hey...Portland State scored 30 against Cal.
Purdue is by far the worst but Iowa is close. How soon does Ferentz and his $3m salary get fired?
Purdue by far... but it's close. I lold
Ferentz is never getting fired. See this for more detail, but the skinny version is that his buyout is way too huge to be fired
I wonder, though, at what point do they eat it after missing Bowl Revenue for 3-4-5 years in a row?
Other than an allowance for travel expenses, the bowl payouts are shared equally among conference members. Iowa making a bowl would only net them 1/12 (about to be 1/14) of whatever the remainder of their bowl payout is after paying for a 737 and hotel rooms and whatnot. On a low tier bowl that might end up in the $30-50k range.
Is shitty, but not as bad as Iowa or purdue...
apparently (had to look it up)
Though they may still suck because I've never heard of the teams they played.
I think the praise for Sparty's defense is a little premature (and the panic about the offense is, if anything, understated). They've beaten WMU (lost to FCS Nicholls State) and South Florida (blown out by FCS McNeese State 53-21). We won't know much about them until week 4 at ND, but I have a feeling the Irish are going to destroy them.
There is nothing that leads me to believe that MSU's defense won't be anything but very good. They didn't lose a ton from last year and have pretty good depth everywhere but the DL. And if there's anything that Dantonio knows other than how to be grumpy, it's defense. Their offense will put their defense in position to give up some points. I see a score similar to last year's MSU-ND game.
the praise for MSU's defense started long before those cupcake games. It's a known commodity and it would be a major surprise if they weren't very good this season. Maybe if their offense continues their struggles they'll get frustrated, but I fully expect MSU to be a tough team that plays some ugly games.
Purdue. Not close.
I graduated in 2006 from Purdue, Masters from Michigan hence my presence on this site. This Purdue team is the worst in the Big Ten, and the worst Purdue team in at least 20 years, probably 30 years.
Next worst is probably either iowa or IU.
Minnesota, Illinois, MSU in the next group.
NW, Wisco, Neb, PSU. They c
Ohio and Michigan on top.
Holy hell they are bad. I would put Iowa in just barely above that... with Indiana/Minnesota duking it out as the token "mostly bad team but will probably upset a team they shouldn't" team. Illinois might actually not be a complete tire fire, and MSU's defense alone will keep them hanging around most games they play.
Well, it doesn't get much worse if you are Purdue. It's only 2 games and a few things are in the "middling range", but in Division I right now, they are:
- 116th in total offense
- tied for 55th in total defense
- tied for 111th in red zone offense
- 49th in rushing defense
- 70th in passing yards allowed
- tied for 79th in scoring defense
- 99th in passing offense
-103rd in rushing offense
- 100th in 3rd down conversion percentage
Well, you get the picture...
Or does their dominating victory over mighty Indiana State automatically disqualify them?
Gopherquest (and Illiniquest last year) was all about conference games. Purdue could VERY easily lose all of them, by large margins. So yes, Boilerquest.
...they put those offensive numbers up against teams that have given up an average of 59 ppg against opponents other than Purdue.
But Purdue has no redeeming qualities. I do look forward to seeing MSU's defense against a team with a pulse. I think Youngstown State beats them this weekend.
MSU has a DE with 3 touchdowns. Their offense has a total of 2. I LOL'd a little.
But Purdue is epically bad - worst in the league and not close.
Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa
M (don't know if we're the best team, but I'm putting us here b/c we've played somebody with a pulse)
The way MSU plays defense, I would never count them out. Defensive touchdowns not only score points, but they can steal momentum.
MSU's offense is like a dementor that feasts on anything positive you do and sucks all the happiness from the MSU team. So unless the MSU defense can produce a patronus in the form of defensive TDs, they can only do so much with that momentum.
Purdue O plus Indiana D.
And Iowa look ready to duke it out for your distinct honor.
Think msu is even in the discussion you are not a very intelligent college football fan.
If Purdue wins another game the rest of this year I'll be surprised. There is no other possible answer.
In any game MSU plays, the defense may have the more realistic chance of scoring. I mean that for BOTH teams.
it was clear to me that the best plan for both teams was to punt on 1st down.
Purdue is paying for that hype video, which means more pennance to come
This year its got to be Purdue. They look poised to have a really bad year, maybe 1-11 or 2-10.
Indiana might be down there too. They have an offense that can put up points, and yet they still have no defense to speak of. Their ability to even make a bowl game this year is in serious jeopardy if they can't even beat Navy. And then there's Iowa......
Still, its got to be Purdue.
MSU is in the top half of the Big Ten, no question. They'll be in the mix in the end. Offense will develop.
It's been 2 weeks against pretty soft competition, with no real results. At this point, MSU is what it is. Bottom line, all that defensive talent is going to be wasted on another 7-8 win season with an appearance in the BW3 bowl. If Dantonio wasn't such a dick, I'd almost feel sorry for Sparty.
I know he is only two games into his first season but how long does Hazel last at Purdue. His previous coaching records isn't all that impressive and this is an inauspicious start. As has been stated here multiple times, hires like Hazel and Beckham are what is keeping the bottom of the Big Ten down.
Purdue and Iowa, by far. I still think Minnesota stinks, but they're improving. And Indiana is terrible defensively but should be fun to watch with their offense.
It's clear you can divide the league into thirds:
Top tier: Michigan, OSU, Wisky, Northwestern
Middle tier: Nebraska, MSU, Penn State, Illinois (Illinois? Yes after demolishing a decent Cincy team)
Bottom rung: Purdue, Iowa, Minney, Hoosiers
my boilers suck... we are really really bad at football. is it basketball season yet.
putting MSU in the bottom half doesn't make sense. They have an elite defense and their offense can only get better. I imagine by the Michigan game they give us a challenge because they always play out of their mind against us. Purdue is far and away the garbage of the Big Ten. Then Indiana and Minnesota
Their D is good, but I will hold back on elite talk until they beat a team that hasnt been blown up by an FCS team. Beaten worst by them than when they played at Spartan Stadium.
After these first two games at least:
WMU offense yards 204
WMU defense yards 297
WMU offense points 13
WMU defense allowed 13
In WMU-Nicholls State (FCS)
WMU offense yards 485
WMU defense yards 447
WMU offense points 23
WMU defense allowed 27
USF offense yards 155
USF defense yards 265
USF offense points 6
USF defense allowed 7
In USF-McNeese State (FCS)
USF offense yards 342
USF defense yards 424
USF offense points 14
USF defense allowed 41
MSU's "elite" defense held their first two opponents to a combined 19 points. Great, but FCS opponents held those offenses to a combined 37 points. The MSU offense is even worse than I thought, with 20 total points in the first two games. FCS opponents scored 68 points against the same two opponents. So vs. MSU, opponents are averaging 9.5 points on offense, 10 points given up by defense. Against FCS foes, MSU opponents are averaging 18.5 points on offense, and 34 points given up by defense.
|MSU Opponents||vs. MSU||vs. FCS|
|Avg Offense PF||9.5||18.5|
|Avg Defense PA||10||34|
Totally agree with you here. The stats speak for themselves.
Illinois really surprised me yesterday. They still have five games against ranked teams (plus MSU and PSU) so it can go south quickly, but I can still see them winning 3 games in the B1G.
As for Purdue, I just wish they were on the schedule this year.
Illinois' win yesterday surprised me the most.
MSU's offense getting just 7 points against South Florida is pretty pathetic. I'm interested in seeing how their defense does against a team with a pulse.
Purdue is epic bad.
I think we might have a BoilerQuest on our hands this year
But, I would say Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana are all much worse.
Nov 9, at Purdue. 'The Battle for the Bottom'
the line that MSU's offense will only get better and make them a decent team.
I watched both of their games and they are awful. The defense is going to quickly wear down for all the time they spend on the field.
They have little offensive talent and have to run a very basic offense because of it. That offense was not great last year and they had Bell. Now he is gone and people think they will somehow get better?
State's defense automatically vaults them ahead of Purdue, Indiana, and Illinois.
Purdue is absolutely the worst though.