According to Sam Webb via Twitter:
Rumors of Chris Wormley's ACL tear are unfortunately true. The #Michigan freshman DE will obviouslly miss the season as a result.
Bummer.
Dammit.
Ah man
What a bad break for Chris. Get well soon!!
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This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan
Sucks
That sucks for Wormley. Had a good chance to get some reps this year and just generally get coached up.
Let's hope this is the only
Let's hope this is the only news of this kind this year.
This
This
Argh
Really thought that kid was gonna contribute some this year too
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noooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! He looked enourmous at the media day. Thought he'd for sure contribute this year. Hoping for a full and speedy recovery for him.
If it is going to happen,
If it is going to happen, this was the right time for it - freshman year before burning a redshirt. Get surgery and rehab it properly and the knee will be stronger than before the injury.
The swag is back.
You see it all the time with
You see it all the time with baseball pitchers after Tommy John surgery - these guys come back throwing harder than pre-surgery. The same is generally accepted to be true for ACL surgeries, partricularly because the Patellar Tendon which is used to replace the torn ACL is stronger in and of itself. This is particularly true for athletes that are able to maintain a strict rehab regimen that non-athletes may not have the time/energy for.
The swag is back.
I don't agree with that.
I don't agree with that. There is no literature to suggest that an ACL reconstructed knee is necessarily stronger or better than pre injury. While the transplanted patellar tendon or hamstring tendons are both stronger than the native ACL at the time of surgery, they undergo significant remodeling and revascularization which significantly
diminishes their strength and stiffness at least early on, if not always. This is not to say that ACL reconstruction is not effective; clearly many if not most recover. Not all are able to return to 100% pre injury status however.
But the rehab really focuses
But the rehab really focuses on strengthening the muscles around the knee to help support the ligament. Muscles that kids normally haven't worked on. If you're not smart and start doing stuff too soon you mess it up (like me) and get to do it all over again. I'd be willing to bet he's as good as ever when he gets back.
Rob Henry, Purdue QB, also
Rob Henry, Purdue QB, also does not necessarily agree with that.
Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Wolverine Incognito.
Or Robbie Hummel for that
Or Robbie Hummel for that matter.
"Welllllllll..."
Asked the MD wifey
won't be better than non-injury, but can still be fine.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
I think the key is
I think the key is determining when the injury started to occur, which is likely earlier than the final tear. So the subject knee may not be stronger than it ever was, but it is likely it will heal stronger than it was for a period of time before the final injury.
The swag is back.
No. ACL injuries are
No. ACL injuries are traumatic, not attritional or degenerative. The ligament tears acutely and destabilizes the knee. Typically, the knee is fine and then a split second later it is not.
So the elbow ligaments
So the elbow ligaments involved in a tommy John surgery are subject to degeneration but knee ligaments are not?
The swag is back.
Generally speaking, yes.
The
Generally speaking, yes.
The ulnar collateral ligament of the elbow is often times partially torn for a time and may or may not be completely torn at the time of reconstruction. it is typically a pain and loss of velocity issue, as opposed to gross instability, that leads to surgery, and this process can occur over time or sometimes acutely.
While there are partial ACL tears that do not destabilize the knee and do not require surgery, the vast majority of ACL injuries result in a complete or high grade partial tear of the ligament that renders the knee unstable and in need of reconstruction. ACL injuries are acute.
They are really two very different problems.
Got to this thread late...
but I'm glad a dr. finally set this guy straight. Just because someone had a surgery or read about baseball players having a surgery doesn't make them an expert on the surgery. Especially when the surgeries are on two completely different parts of the body.
This is what makes the internet such an unreliable source of information at times. A poster who chimes in on a subject and pretends to know what he is talking about and speaks with authority, only to be corrected by a real physician (and judging by the nature of the post I would almost think an orthopod).
Anyway, thanks again for providing some real insight on the issue.
In terms of Tommy John, the
In terms of Tommy John, the reason they usually throw harder is that they remove the obstruction in the elbow, essentially allowing them to pitch at their top velocity. They don't actually gain velocity with the surgery in and of itself. This is from Wikipedia...
In some cases baseball pitchers throw harder after the procedure than they did beforehand. As a result, orthopedic surgeons have reported that increasing numbers of parents are coming to them and asking them to perform the procedure on their un-injured sons in the hope that this will increase their performance. However, many people — including Dr. Frank Jobe, the doctor who invented the procedure — believe most post-surgical increases in performance are generally due to two factors. The first is pitchers' increased attention to conditioning. The second is that in many cases it can take several years for the UCL to deteriorate. Over these years the pitcher's velocity will gradually decrease. As a result, it is likely that the procedure simply allows the pitcher to throw at the velocity he could before his UCL started to degrade.[8]
Semantics. The pitcher throws
Semantics. The pitcher throws harder post surgery because they repair a damaged ligament, but they still throw harder.
The swag is back.
Actually, you said that the
Actually, you said that the surgery could make the ligament stronger. No factual evidence suggests this and your argument of pitchers throwing harder post surgery as your example is inherently wrong.
Again, semantics. The healthy
Again, semantics. The healthy ligament is stronger than a damaged one. Thus the improvement in performance. Not sure why you can't figure that out.
The swag is back.
Dude...
you got caught trying to play Dr, just give it up. You prbably read an SI article on Tommy John surgery and took every word as gospel. Not only that, you assumed that it would correlate with any other joint/ligament injury in the body. Just give it a rest...you were wrong in almost everything you said.
Plus, your comment about semantics is absurd. You clearly stated in your original post that the joint would be stronger than "before" the injury, not prior to the surgery when it was already damaged. Now you're trying to change your orignal position because you've been told it's wrong. Just admit you know nothing about the anatomy/physiology of the human body and pick a fight regarding a subject you know something about. Clearly this isn't that subject.
I'm not medical expert but
I'm not medical expert but from my experience I would guess if properly rehabed the chance of him tearing another ACL could be far less than before. I've had knee surgery before and after going through physical therapy I was able to develop my legs enough to where my knee felt more stable when playing sports than before the injur. That said, I do have friends who after surgery say their knee never fully recovered but they also don't excersise their legs very often FWIW.
So would Jamal Anderson....
One of my favorite players back in the day and had multiple tears.
Difficult. I tore mine in
Difficult. I tore mine in high school. I was cleared for all activity about 4-5 months after surgery. I only tore the ACL...if meniscus is involved, I know rehab is longer. However, I didn't feel absolutely 100% until probably 12 months.
I suppose if there's any silver lining, it's that he can redshirt and, like I've seen noted here already, study the game.
"Welllllllll..."
I tore my ACL and meniscus in
I tore my ACL and meniscus in my left knee back in April and am currently at 9 weeks post op. You guys are giving some really good info and scaring the shit out of me at the same time.
Well shit. I really hope he
Well shit. I really hope he bounces back from this. He has a really high ceiling, and I would love to see him reach it. I was also half expecting him to contribute this season, so that sucks for depth.
The SEASON!?
Isn't there some multi-drug cocktail or some laser nanobots or something to fix this?
C'mon science get off your ass!
Love & Hate are horns on the same goat.
C'mon, Mars Rover
Find some of this stuff
Just . . . over . . .that . . . ridge. . .
A Xenomorph Knees R' Us®
Love & Hate are horns on the same goat.
This is bad. Please be good
This is bad. Please be good Keith Heitzman. Also, please start eating Tom Strobel.
EDIT: I mean I want Strobel to start eating, not that I want Heitzman to eat Strobel. Just to clear that up.
Change of heart?
What, all of a sudden you are anti-cannibalism?
Wouldn't a Heitzman-Strobel hybrid be pretty good?
That's not a bad point, but
That's not a bad point, but that kind of puts all of our eggs in one basket. What if Strobzman tears his ACL? Then it's like losing two guys at once.
Scholarships
I think the better question is what would this do to our scholarship situation? Would Strobzman count as only one scholarship or two?
Posts like this make me look
Posts like this make me look crazy, when people look over at me and see my laughing to myself.
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler
Tieth
Teith Strobzman. I like.
I dunno...maybe Heitzman eats
I dunno...maybe Heitzman eats Strobel and then some sort of Captain Planet powers combining thing happens...and then profit?
Did you discover that
Did you discover that mysterious second step leading to profit?
Nobel Prize this man!
Don't worry
If we have zombies playing on defense, I am sure that Mattison will find a way to use them without having to use other recuits as feed.
"Nobody cares what you think!"
eating Tom Strobel
"Eating Tom Strobel"
---new MGoCatchphrase?
i thought he was being
i thought he was being catastrophic
This is the exact reason we
This is the exact reason we stress correct grammar on this board. "Start eating, Tom Strobel" =/= "Start eating Tom Strobel" to seriously disastrous results.
At least the rest of the
At least the rest of the d-line and the starters are still in tact (knocks on wood repeatedly)
Tactful
You have to learn to be more tactful than that!
HAIL
Agreed.
I mean, it's only the kid's hopes and dreams we are discussing here.
Speedy recovery Chris Wormley.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
Man that's rough, get better
Man that's rough, get better soon Chris, and take the b10 by storm as a redshirt freshman!
Dammit.