According to Sam Webb via Twitter:
Rumors of Chris Wormley's ACL tear are unfortunately true. The #Michigan freshman DE will obviouslly miss the season as a result.
What a bad break for Chris. Get well soon!!
That sucks for Wormley. Had a good chance to get some reps this year and just generally get coached up.
Let's hope this is the only news of this kind this year.
Really thought that kid was gonna contribute some this year too
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! He looked enourmous at the media day. Thought he'd for sure contribute this year. Hoping for a full and speedy recovery for him.
I don't agree with that. There is no literature to suggest that an ACL reconstructed knee is necessarily stronger or better than pre injury. While the transplanted patellar tendon or hamstring tendons are both stronger than the native ACL at the time of surgery, they undergo significant remodeling and revascularization which significantly
diminishes their strength and stiffness at least early on, if not always. This is not to say that ACL reconstruction is not effective; clearly many if not most recover. Not all are able to return to 100% pre injury status however.
But the rehab really focuses on strengthening the muscles around the knee to help support the ligament. Muscles that kids normally haven't worked on. If you're not smart and start doing stuff too soon you mess it up (like me) and get to do it all over again. I'd be willing to bet he's as good as ever when he gets back.
Rob Henry, Purdue QB, also does not necessarily agree with that.
Or Robbie Hummel for that matter.
won't be better than non-injury, but can still be fine.
No. ACL injuries are traumatic, not attritional or degenerative. The ligament tears acutely and destabilizes the knee. Typically, the knee is fine and then a split second later it is not.
Generally speaking, yes.
The ulnar collateral ligament of the elbow is often times partially torn for a time and may or may not be completely torn at the time of reconstruction. it is typically a pain and loss of velocity issue, as opposed to gross instability, that leads to surgery, and this process can occur over time or sometimes acutely.
While there are partial ACL tears that do not destabilize the knee and do not require surgery, the vast majority of ACL injuries result in a complete or high grade partial tear of the ligament that renders the knee unstable and in need of reconstruction. ACL injuries are acute.
They are really two very different problems.
but I'm glad a dr. finally set this guy straight. Just because someone had a surgery or read about baseball players having a surgery doesn't make them an expert on the surgery. Especially when the surgeries are on two completely different parts of the body.
This is what makes the internet such an unreliable source of information at times. A poster who chimes in on a subject and pretends to know what he is talking about and speaks with authority, only to be corrected by a real physician (and judging by the nature of the post I would almost think an orthopod).
Anyway, thanks again for providing some real insight on the issue.
In terms of Tommy John, the reason they usually throw harder is that they remove the obstruction in the elbow, essentially allowing them to pitch at their top velocity. They don't actually gain velocity with the surgery in and of itself. This is from Wikipedia...
In some cases baseball pitchers throw harder after the procedure than they did beforehand. As a result, orthopedic surgeons have reported that increasing numbers of parents are coming to them and asking them to perform the procedure on their un-injured sons in the hope that this will increase their performance. However, many people — including Dr. Frank Jobe, the doctor who invented the procedure — believe most post-surgical increases in performance are generally due to two factors. The first is pitchers' increased attention to conditioning. The second is that in many cases it can take several years for the UCL to deteriorate. Over these years the pitcher's velocity will gradually decrease. As a result, it is likely that the procedure simply allows the pitcher to throw at the velocity he could before his UCL started to degrade.
Actually, you said that the surgery could make the ligament stronger. No factual evidence suggests this and your argument of pitchers throwing harder post surgery as your example is inherently wrong.
you got caught trying to play Dr, just give it up. You prbably read an SI article on Tommy John surgery and took every word as gospel. Not only that, you assumed that it would correlate with any other joint/ligament injury in the body. Just give it a rest...you were wrong in almost everything you said.
Plus, your comment about semantics is absurd. You clearly stated in your original post that the joint would be stronger than "before" the injury, not prior to the surgery when it was already damaged. Now you're trying to change your orignal position because you've been told it's wrong. Just admit you know nothing about the anatomy/physiology of the human body and pick a fight regarding a subject you know something about. Clearly this isn't that subject.
I'm not medical expert but from my experience I would guess if properly rehabed the chance of him tearing another ACL could be far less than before. I've had knee surgery before and after going through physical therapy I was able to develop my legs enough to where my knee felt more stable when playing sports than before the injur. That said, I do have friends who after surgery say their knee never fully recovered but they also don't excersise their legs very often FWIW.
One of my favorite players back in the day and had multiple tears.
Difficult. I tore mine in high school. I was cleared for all activity about 4-5 months after surgery. I only tore the ACL...if meniscus is involved, I know rehab is longer. However, I didn't feel absolutely 100% until probably 12 months.
I suppose if there's any silver lining, it's that he can redshirt and, like I've seen noted here already, study the game.
I tore my ACL and meniscus in my left knee back in April and am currently at 9 weeks post op. You guys are giving some really good info and scaring the shit out of me at the same time.
Well shit. I really hope he bounces back from this. He has a really high ceiling, and I would love to see him reach it. I was also half expecting him to contribute this season, so that sucks for depth.
Isn't there some multi-drug cocktail or some laser nanobots or something to fix this?
C'mon science get off your ass!
Find some of this stuff
A Xenomorph Knees R' Us®
This is bad. Please be good Keith Heitzman. Also, please start eating Tom Strobel.
EDIT: I mean I want Strobel to start eating, not that I want Heitzman to eat Strobel. Just to clear that up.
What, all of a sudden you are anti-cannibalism?
Wouldn't a Heitzman-Strobel hybrid be pretty good?
That's not a bad point, but that kind of puts all of our eggs in one basket. What if Strobzman tears his ACL? Then it's like losing two guys at once.
I think the better question is what would this do to our scholarship situation? Would Strobzman count as only one scholarship or two?
Posts like this make me look crazy, when people look over at me and see my laughing to myself.
Teith Strobzman. I like.
I dunno...maybe Heitzman eats Strobel and then some sort of Captain Planet powers combining thing happens...and then profit?
Did you discover that mysterious second step leading to profit?
Nobel Prize this man!
If we have zombies playing on defense, I am sure that Mattison will find a way to use them without having to use other recuits as feed.
i thought he was being catastrophic
This is the exact reason we stress correct grammar on this board. "Start eating, Tom Strobel" =/= "Start eating Tom Strobel" to seriously disastrous results.
At least the rest of the d-line and the starters are still in tact (knocks on wood repeatedly)
You have to learn to be more tactful than that!
I mean, it's only the kid's hopes and dreams we are discussing here.
Speedy recovery Chris Wormley.
Man that's rough, get better soon Chris, and take the b10 by storm as a redshirt freshman!
I hope that this is just a temporary setback for one of my favorite players in this year's class. Hopefully, his rehab will go well and he can use the time to get ahead in school. Good luck to him.
Tough break...hope he bounces back better than ever.
Get well soon, Chris! Hang in there.
Well....that just sucks today. Good luck to the kid and here is to a quick recovery for him. Time for someone else to step up and be ready when called upon.
I believe the staff is wanting to rs most of the fr dlineman, but it sucks cause he is going to have to spend this yr getting ready for next yr....
I really was thinking we might see him at some point this year - this is definitely tough to hear.
Hopefully, he makes a full recovery and is back at it as soon as possible after rehab. If the film on him is any indication, he has awesome potential at DE, so hopefully he can get healthy and realize it here at Michigan.