i refuse to even consider this a possibility
What a bad break for Chris. Get well soon!!
That sucks for Wormley. Had a good chance to get some reps this year and just generally get coached up.
Let's hope this is the only news of this kind this year.
Really thought that kid was gonna contribute some this year too
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! He looked enourmous at the media day. Thought he'd for sure contribute this year. Hoping for a full and speedy recovery for him.
I don't agree with that. There is no literature to suggest that an ACL reconstructed knee is necessarily stronger or better than pre injury. While the transplanted patellar tendon or hamstring tendons are both stronger than the native ACL at the time of surgery, they undergo significant remodeling and revascularization which significantly
diminishes their strength and stiffness at least early on, if not always. This is not to say that ACL reconstruction is not effective; clearly many if not most recover. Not all are able to return to 100% pre injury status however.
But the rehab really focuses on strengthening the muscles around the knee to help support the ligament. Muscles that kids normally haven't worked on. If you're not smart and start doing stuff too soon you mess it up (like me) and get to do it all over again. I'd be willing to bet he's as good as ever when he gets back.
Rob Henry, Purdue QB, also does not necessarily agree with that.
Or Robbie Hummel for that matter.
won't be better than non-injury, but can still be fine.
No. ACL injuries are traumatic, not attritional or degenerative. The ligament tears acutely and destabilizes the knee. Typically, the knee is fine and then a split second later it is not.
Generally speaking, yes.
The ulnar collateral ligament of the elbow is often times partially torn for a time and may or may not be completely torn at the time of reconstruction. it is typically a pain and loss of velocity issue, as opposed to gross instability, that leads to surgery, and this process can occur over time or sometimes acutely.
While there are partial ACL tears that do not destabilize the knee and do not require surgery, the vast majority of ACL injuries result in a complete or high grade partial tear of the ligament that renders the knee unstable and in need of reconstruction. ACL injuries are acute.
They are really two very different problems.
but I'm glad a dr. finally set this guy straight. Just because someone had a surgery or read about baseball players having a surgery doesn't make them an expert on the surgery. Especially when the surgeries are on two completely different parts of the body.
This is what makes the internet such an unreliable source of information at times. A poster who chimes in on a subject and pretends to know what he is talking about and speaks with authority, only to be corrected by a real physician (and judging by the nature of the post I would almost think an orthopod).
Anyway, thanks again for providing some real insight on the issue.
In terms of Tommy John, the reason they usually throw harder is that they remove the obstruction in the elbow, essentially allowing them to pitch at their top velocity. They don't actually gain velocity with the surgery in and of itself. This is from Wikipedia...
In some cases baseball pitchers throw harder after the procedure than they did beforehand. As a result, orthopedic surgeons have reported that increasing numbers of parents are coming to them and asking them to perform the procedure on their un-injured sons in the hope that this will increase their performance. However, many people — including Dr. Frank Jobe, the doctor who invented the procedure — believe most post-surgical increases in performance are generally due to two factors. The first is pitchers' increased attention to conditioning. The second is that in many cases it can take several years for the UCL to deteriorate. Over these years the pitcher's velocity will gradually decrease. As a result, it is likely that the procedure simply allows the pitcher to throw at the velocity he could before his UCL started to degrade.
Actually, you said that the surgery could make the ligament stronger. No factual evidence suggests this and your argument of pitchers throwing harder post surgery as your example is inherently wrong.
you got caught trying to play Dr, just give it up. You prbably read an SI article on Tommy John surgery and took every word as gospel. Not only that, you assumed that it would correlate with any other joint/ligament injury in the body. Just give it a rest...you were wrong in almost everything you said.
Plus, your comment about semantics is absurd. You clearly stated in your original post that the joint would be stronger than "before" the injury, not prior to the surgery when it was already damaged. Now you're trying to change your orignal position because you've been told it's wrong. Just admit you know nothing about the anatomy/physiology of the human body and pick a fight regarding a subject you know something about. Clearly this isn't that subject.
I'm not medical expert but from my experience I would guess if properly rehabed the chance of him tearing another ACL could be far less than before. I've had knee surgery before and after going through physical therapy I was able to develop my legs enough to where my knee felt more stable when playing sports than before the injur. That said, I do have friends who after surgery say their knee never fully recovered but they also don't excersise their legs very often FWIW.
One of my favorite players back in the day and had multiple tears.
Difficult. I tore mine in high school. I was cleared for all activity about 4-5 months after surgery. I only tore the ACL...if meniscus is involved, I know rehab is longer. However, I didn't feel absolutely 100% until probably 12 months.
I suppose if there's any silver lining, it's that he can redshirt and, like I've seen noted here already, study the game.
I tore my ACL and meniscus in my left knee back in April and am currently at 9 weeks post op. You guys are giving some really good info and scaring the shit out of me at the same time.
Well shit. I really hope he bounces back from this. He has a really high ceiling, and I would love to see him reach it. I was also half expecting him to contribute this season, so that sucks for depth.
Isn't there some multi-drug cocktail or some laser nanobots or something to fix this?
C'mon science get off your ass!
Find some of this stuff
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This is bad. Please be good Keith Heitzman. Also, please start eating Tom Strobel.
EDIT: I mean I want Strobel to start eating, not that I want Heitzman to eat Strobel. Just to clear that up.
What, all of a sudden you are anti-cannibalism?
Wouldn't a Heitzman-Strobel hybrid be pretty good?
That's not a bad point, but that kind of puts all of our eggs in one basket. What if Strobzman tears his ACL? Then it's like losing two guys at once.
I think the better question is what would this do to our scholarship situation? Would Strobzman count as only one scholarship or two?
Posts like this make me look crazy, when people look over at me and see my laughing to myself.
Teith Strobzman. I like.
I dunno...maybe Heitzman eats Strobel and then some sort of Captain Planet powers combining thing happens...and then profit?
Did you discover that mysterious second step leading to profit?
Nobel Prize this man!
If we have zombies playing on defense, I am sure that Mattison will find a way to use them without having to use other recuits as feed.
i thought he was being catastrophic
This is the exact reason we stress correct grammar on this board. "Start eating, Tom Strobel" =/= "Start eating Tom Strobel" to seriously disastrous results.
At least the rest of the d-line and the starters are still in tact (knocks on wood repeatedly)
You have to learn to be more tactful than that!
I mean, it's only the kid's hopes and dreams we are discussing here.
Speedy recovery Chris Wormley.
Man that's rough, get better soon Chris, and take the b10 by storm as a redshirt freshman!
I hope that this is just a temporary setback for one of my favorite players in this year's class. Hopefully, his rehab will go well and he can use the time to get ahead in school. Good luck to him.
Tough break...hope he bounces back better than ever.
Get well soon, Chris! Hang in there.
Well....that just sucks today. Good luck to the kid and here is to a quick recovery for him. Time for someone else to step up and be ready when called upon.
I believe the staff is wanting to rs most of the fr dlineman, but it sucks cause he is going to have to spend this yr getting ready for next yr....
I really was thinking we might see him at some point this year - this is definitely tough to hear.
Hopefully, he makes a full recovery and is back at it as soon as possible after rehab. If the film on him is any indication, he has awesome potential at DE, so hopefully he can get healthy and realize it here at Michigan.
I thought Wormley was playing DE at Michigan, not RB at Iowa, what gives?
I too thought he was a DE at Michigan, not a Purdue QB :(
Sucks. Speedy recovery, #43
If Batman can heal his broken back in 3 months, I'm sure Chris can heal his knee in a couple weeks, right?
But in all seriousness, I am sorry to hear about this and wish Chris a speedy, successful recovery.
We just gotta find a giant hole in the ground for him to climb out of, or something else that's metaphorical
Well that sucks.
Hopefully he makes a full recovery. One of him or Strobel was most likely going to redshirt, so now that decision has been made, although Wormley seemed to be more college ready.
More importantly than this year, hopefully he makes a full recovery. He has incredible potential, and hopefully an injury like this doesn't de-rail it.
Well that just about sucks. He was one of the freshman I was looking to forward to seeing on the field this year.
As an incoming college freshmen myself, I just can't imagine. What a bummer. Prayers for a quick recovery.
Get well soon Chris. You're a young guy and you'll bounce back. Take care of yourself.
Agreed.. A year of studying the D isn't a terrible thing. The ACL sucks but he'll get plenty of book time
Hope he keeps his head up and comes back at 100% next year
What a tough break...Hope his recovery goes smooth.. Really hate to see guys get hurt, especially before the season.. Damn..
This sucks, he was probably going to get the 2nd most playing time among defensive freshman (Bolden #1)...
With that said, I have a "sleeper" for all of you to remember. Keith Heitzman. Look for KH to battle Nathan Brink for the #2 spot at strongside DE behind Roh.
Why u no like Pipkins?
lolwut Mr rager
Third for Womley.
Nontheless, my post was overrated or offtopic, not flaming. I demand a redo.
I really wish there was a "Disagree" moderation option.
Either way, I don't think we would have seen THAT much of Wormley this year.
If you all didn't have me around, this would be a huge problem. I have a bottle of skele-gro in my pocket.
The ACL is a ligament.
Come back stronger and better. we all look forward to seeing you on the field in 2013 Worms.
balls, this is a good time for it to happen, but really unfortunate all the same.
Well damn that sucks. Silver lining is that it was his frosh year.
Would have helped him anyway. An ACL injury is nowhere near as devastating as it once was. He will be fine and come back next year in complete beast mode. Get well soon Big Worm.
Oh man, I never thought to apply that Friday reference to Wormley. I'm not sure how I'd feel about him getting a perm, but I think I'd probably be alright with it.
On the bright side... well... uh... shitballs. There is no bright side.
Get healthy, kid. And watch out for Heitzman. Apparently he's been eating people.
Heitzman has always stumped me. He was 1st Team All-State DE in the largest division in Ohio, over a ton of great DEs. He had crazy production playing in said largest division, earned a trip to the Big 33 game, where he owned fools. Hoke and Mattison took one look at him and said "DO WANT" as soon as they got here.
He seems like an Ojemudia type where his only real gripe is size. Well, he's big now. I'm surprised he hasn't been talked about more, probably due to his meh recruiting rankings. I think he ends up with a great career here though, and he'll be the Jake Ryan of 2012.
He's still young. His time will come.
I've come around on Heitzman. I wasn't too impressed with what I saw in high school, but he's put on a good chunk of weight/muscle since he arrived. I didn't think he was athletic enough to be a small-ish defensive end, but if he can maintain some of his athleticism at his current weight, then he's got a chance to be good.
The ONLY silver lining here is that a. He's a freshman and b. he's a lineman. So a redshirt year if it has to happen will help him in the long run ( we hope)
He's going to be an awesome RS Frashman for us next year. Get well Chris!
All the same though this is an unfortunate way to go about it. I hope he is not in too much pain and rehabs well. All the best Mr. Wormley!
Can he take a medical grayshirt ... then a redshirt next year and then have 4 more years left after that?
I don't think there's such thing as a medical grayshirt, but a kid who grayshirts pays his own way and isn't a part of the team. I'm sure that won't happen. And you can only medical redshirt if you've already had a regular redshirt, or have played in the first couple games to where you can't use a regular redshirt.
Wormley will just take a regular redshirt. He can apply for a medical redshirt if he misses a second season due to injury.
Long Answer: Nope.
Ugh, never like to hear about this, but he likely wasn't going to play this year anyway.
Get better soon, Wormley. We'll need you soon enough.
This sucks! I thought he had a good shot at making the 2 deep this year.
Take your redshirt and heal up. Come back stronger than ever.
A set back is just a set up for a comeback.
The maize and blue family isn't going anywhere. We'll be waiting for your return!
Why are so many people acting like this will have a big impact on our season? If he was going to play it would have only been in the case of token time. Obviously it's never a good time for a serious knee injury, but it is better for the future of his football career that this happen now instead of say in the middle of his junior year or whatever. For all we knew he may have had some lingering stability issues in his knee from high school and this was only a matter of time. Now that it has happened he can spend the season working on his rehab and studying the defense.
Well, our starting SDE will be graduating after this fall, and Wormley was one of the likely candidates to take his spot in 2013 so it would have been nice for him to get some PT this year to prepare for that. At the very least, he'll be a depth guy next fall and even garbage time experience helps that.
It might not be a terrible blow to this season, and it could be worse both for the team and for Wormley. HOWEVA, it sucks for Wormley to have to rehab. It sucks that he misses an entire year worth of practice reps. It sucks that he'll be limited in his physical development. And it sucks that odds are he won't be 100% for next season.
It's not OMG PANIC. But it still sucks for all involved.
Son of bitch. Shit.
I can't believe I'm the only one to moderate this post as "insightful".
How much playing time was this kid supposed to get this year?
If Heitzman lives up to what the coaches think of him, minimal.
I was looking forward to him contributing this year. Wish him a very speedy recovery.
Hate to hear that for the kid. Hope he has a quick and full recovery.
I imagine he's feeling pretty low right now. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He'll get superb care, I have no doubt.
Huge shame, best of luck to the guy with his recovery.
Sucks that it happened, but saved his red shirt and now he has plenty of time to rehab and get ready for next year.
There were other threads/comments, but what is the board opinion now. I know there's a discrepency between WDE and SDE; does this change the equation?
It doesn't affect Ryan at all. Ryan is a SAM and part-time WDE. Wormley was going to play SDE and perhaps grow into a 3-tech DT.
Everything that one read about this kid was positive, including a number of opinions that he might contribute this year. Let's hope that he can power through the rehab and come back in even better shape.
Get healthy Chris.
Well, that sucks to hear. Well, at least it was early enough for him to get a redshirt and the team can prepare for his loss. I didn't expect a huge number of freshmen to play this year, but Wormley seemed like he would see the field depending on depth issues. Ah well, on to next year.