World Cup Day 8 Open Thread
World Cup Day 8 is here. I never want this World Cup to end. England/Uruguay is the big matchup today but I suspect Columbia/Cote d'Ivoire will be a very competitive match.
Group C
Columbia - Cote d'Ivoire 12pm EDT (ESPN / Univision / Watch ESPN)
Group D
Uruguay - England 3pm EDT (ESPN / Univision / Watch ESPN)
Group C
Japan - Greece 6pm EDT (ESPN / Univision / Watch ESPN)
In what way is the French name "proper" when writing in English? So the OP should have written "la Republica Oriental del Uruguay", "Elleniki Dimokratia" and 日本国?
I only go by what FIFA uses. Some people get feisty when you change the names. That's why I used Korea Republic the other day rather than South Korea.
Well if the Man uses it, I'm certainly not using it.
Well then is it Holland, The Netherlands, or the Dutch?
And can we just officially be 'Murica?
Holland is to The Netherlands is to Dutch
as
England is to The United Kingdom is to British
so it's what they recognize themselves as. It is their formal international name and only people in the USA that don't care really still say Ivory Coast. So yeah, Côte d'Ivoire is the proper term. Just like how despite having an official, long name the nation of Uruguay in international affairs simply calls itself Uruguay.
OK, so please use Deutschland going forward, as well as Nederland, Brasil (no "z"), Uruguay and Elleniki as I explained above as well as the native version of "Nippon" and "Daehan Minguk", Italia, Suisse, etc. etc.
Conventional English would require otherwise, but you can stick to your rules as long as you're consistent.
I think the issue is that their government has requested that everyone call it by Côte d'Ivoire, rather than translate the name into a bunch of languages. Some countries' names are basically the same in every language (Brazil, Mexico, France), with maybe a minor spelling change here and there, but "Ivory" and "Coast" are words that can be totally different in different languages.
Germany on the other hand doesn't care what you call it.
Well, then honestly, the Ivory Coast can whine all it wants. We don't have the pretentiousness to tell Mexico to stop calling us Los Estados Unitos. I'm all for culture, but my man who is getting negged has a point. It's silly to expect each country to refer to one another in their native tongue.
After the first half of the 20th century and all that, Germany doesn't have much say in what it gets called.
And just as a reminder, I use this as a guide.
This is the FIFA World Cup Brazil (not Brasil) and Germany is listed as Germany and not Deutschland and South Korea is Korea Republic.
I use this as a guide because I don't really care what countries call themselves. I use the FIFA guide to avoid this type of semantic discussion.
But hey, if anyone wants to start the Open Threads and post the lineups ahead of each match, have at it! Call them whatever you want.
but no, Germany internationally is - and likes to be known as - The Federal Republic of Germany or just "Germany" for short. Also in that specific example, it was Germany long before it was Deutchschland.
Nations have endonyms (eg, what they call it natively) and exonyms (what other nations call it). They also have international recognized name that are meant to common for all languages. The German panel in the UN is labeled "Germany." The official international name for the Netherlands is Kingdom of the Netherlands, and the offical short name is just Netherlands.
In the case of the 'Ivory Coast' - their goverment has specifically asked _not_ to be called that anymore. So stop being douchey just to be douchey.
In what way is the French name "proper" when writing in English?
Well, we do say "Costa Rica" and "Ecuador" in English, and not "Rich Coast" and "Equator." Conclusion: the English language is a mess of contradictions.
They aren't "contradictions" per se, they are differing conventions. It's only a contradiction if you consider English to be governed by strict rules, which it isn't, it's also governed by conventional usage with little regard for rules. For obvious reasons, the Spanish language has had a tremendous impact on American English in the vocabulary of geography in this hemisphere. It's a much different story with regards to European geography, where centuries of politics and migrations of peoples and languages has left us with mixed bag of imported and native terms.
With regards to Africa, it's complicated by colonialism and competing colonialism, i.e. England and France competing to control and name things. And the simple fact is that contemporary French words rarely win out over English equivalents in becoming part of our conventional vocabulary - Indochine lost out to Indochina, Algerie lost out to Algeria, etc. And Ivory Coast is much, much more prevalent than Cote d'Ivoire.
Not quite the same - Indochine/Indochina and Algérie/Algeria are just minor typographical differences. In both cases, the English name is based on the French name, just adapted to English convention.
Côte d'Ivoire to Ivory Coast is a considerably larger difference; should the country be listed under "C" or "I"? And it gets larger when you go into other languages. In German the country is Elfenbeinküste!
I don't personally have an issue with Côte d'Ivoire, other than that I don't think the circumflex accent should be required in English. Cote d'Ivoire is close enough.
You know, I was called out for spelling Brazil the way the people who live there do, which of course is Brasil. Then people jumped down my throat and said that isn't the way we spell it in the USA. This happened years ago though.
You only created your account in May! That stated, this seems obligatory:
Uruguay/England will be one hell of a match... Both facing elimination. Neither can afford a draw. Suarez back for Uruguay... I'm getting chills just thinking about it.
Suarez versus England should be comedy!
Courtesy of the BBC:
England have never conceded two goals or more in three successive World Cup games before. They conceded two against Italy on Saturday and four against Germany when they were knocked out of the 2010 World Cup.
England have scored in each of their past eight World Cup encounters with South American sides.
Wayne Rooney is yet to score a World Cup goal. England's match with Uruguay will be his 10th game, if he plays.
Japan and Greece should just go the pub at 6pm and drink their fate away
This match should be great. All three today are huge.
Im sad we dont get to see Falcao play this World Cup. Even without him Columbia is pretty exciting, James is a total stud.
Columbia is really good without Falcao but would have been a real QF or SF threat with him. James, Jackson Martinez, Guarin and Zuniga are incredibly talented. I think they can win today
What are their chances in the world cup?
Columbia:
Ospina, Zapata, Yepes (c), Sanchez, Armero, Aguilar, Gutierrez, Rodriguez, Cuadrado, Ibarbo, Zuniga
Cote d'Ivoire:
Barry, Boka, Zokora, Tiote, Gervinho, Bony, Gradel, Aurier, Y Toure (c), Serey, Bamba
Biggest news is that Drogba again starts on the bench and Bony gets the start. Kalou dropped for Gradel on the right flank as well.
I was hoping that Jackson Martinez would start for Columbia today but Gutierrez got a goal and played well vs Greece so he holds his starting spot.
Got 10 on COL, URU and JAP to win 53.07...40 on the over in the JAP-GRE game (2.5)
Soccer Swammi sees some 2-2 games. Teams are close on paper and VERY motivated. Uruguay and Greece were two of the bigger disappointments in the opening matches. Suarez is back, Rooney needs to do something, so I'm grabbing a few beers and wasting another afternoon in front of the TV. Life is good!
Still in shock that Xavi didn't play ( I can't stand Pedro) and how poorly Spain played. Iker looked like a high school GK. It was like the Verlander/ Tigers' collapse - all of a sudden everyone on the team is just awful. Germany look like the team to beat as Brazil have not been impressive.
Since it probably doesn't deserve a new thread, and it is in no way surprising, Altidore has been ruled out of the Portugal match per a US Soccer spokesman.
Does anyone know how they decide how many spots each confederation gets? I am having trouble finding a good link. Was wondering what it would take for CONCACAF to get more spots.
FIFA's Dubious Executive Committee decides this ahead each World Cup. Essentially, if CONCACAF want more spots, the teams need to prove their ability to compete. CONCACAF has 3.5 spots (meaning a playoff--this time Mexico defeating New Zealand in the playoff vs Oceania). In 2010, Costa Rica lost to Uruguay (CONMEBOL) in the playoff there.
They review this prior to each World Cup but it rarely changes overall spots. What changes more frequently is who each Confederation plays in the playoff.
The first rule of FIFA. Do not try to find a sensible explanation of what FIFA does.
This is basically right though, FIFA looks at the state of world soccer going in to the next qualifying phase and decides (arbitrarily maybe) if any continents deserve less or more spots. This is based mostly on level of competition, number of participants in the confederation and general equality of representation amongst the world.
Actually think for the most part it's pretty even. Of the teams not in Brazil that are good enough to be there, it's mostly European teams and no way FIFA gives them half the field which they're close to already.
It is based on how many team's in a region and the relative strength of the region.
Yep. First rule for naming adopted country is "did you honeymoon there?" Which is why I always pull for the Ticos of Costa Rica!
I honeymooned in France and Italy. Can I be excused please?
Neither England or Uruguay can technically be eliminated today but both need a win.
In Group C it's as follows:
Colombia clinches a Round of 16 spot with a win and a Greece win or tie.
Ivory Coast clinches a Round of 16 spot with a win and a Japan win or tie.
Japan's eliminated with a loss and a Colombia win or tie.
Greece is eliminated with a loss and an Ivory Coast win or tie.
Sturridge, Johnson, Gerrard, Henderson and Sterling play for England
This game will be 27% Liverpool players
Rickie Lambert, who just moved to LFC
Love the emotion of the players during the national anthems.