World Cup Day 17 Open Thread

Submitted by M-Wolverine on
Well, I'm awake. And I'm kinda curious how much interest there will be now that the US is done. England/Germany is a classic matchup. Argentino/Mexico isn't bad either.

M-Wolverine

June 27th, 2010 at 11:33 AM ^

I can't really root for the Germans in anything...for the last hundred years...but I'm finding this mildly amusing. My wife was giving me all the "these things happen" and "they did well, they're not a great squad" and "maybe Ghana got lucky yesterday". But England is her adopted team from her childhood (because Vietnam hasn't had a team in since...ever). She had to leave after goal 4. :-P

M-Wolverine

June 27th, 2010 at 12:01 PM ^

How did Germany lose a game again? If Argentina wins this afternoon...wow, what a match-up. Let them knock each other off for Brazil.

The Original Seth

June 27th, 2010 at 12:02 PM ^

Germany lost a game where the referee made up the rules for distinguishing fouls and penalties as he went along, and they played 10-man ball for 75 minutes.

Klose was a moron for getting tossed, and they deserved to lose the game because of it, but yeah. Three stars for a reason.

PurpleStuff

June 27th, 2010 at 12:24 PM ^

Don't forget they are also 3 time European Champions.  Great  chance they add to those six major titles in the near future as well considering Boateng, Muller, and Ozil are all 21 or younger (something to note considering the USA status report thread yesterday).  Only 5 of the 23 men in their World Cup squad are older than 26.  Also of interest, all but one player in the German squad play their club football in Germany rather than the self-proclaimed "best league in the world."

M.I.Sicks

June 27th, 2010 at 12:26 PM ^

It's not the English players that make the EPL the top league in the world. It's the fact that they have more clubs with fat pockets than most other leagues in the world. And that allows them to buy more than their fair share of the world's top young talent.

PurpleStuff

June 27th, 2010 at 2:12 PM ^

The EPL is the easiest league to relate to for English speaking Americans and gets the most media coverage here, but the league has definitely been on the decline in the last year.  They had no Champions League semi-finalists this past season (after dominating the competition for a couple of years) and they have far fewer top players than Spain at the moment.

If Wayne Rooney can be the best player in your league, then your league is not the best in the world.

jam706

June 27th, 2010 at 1:07 PM ^

I just got home from watching the game a bit ago, and I'm surprised there aren't any comments on Klose's goal. He was clearly offsides on Germany's first goal, but it wasn't called. Along with the ball across the goal line on Lampard's shot, England should have had 2 goals in the first half to Germany's 1. I was watching the game with a friend from England, and we both agreed that Germany may still have won the game, but the refs didn't need to help them to the quarterfinals like they did. Germany's second half goals came on the counterattack after England were pushing up more than they may have otherwise, and I believe the game could have gone either way This weekend has gone very badly for me so far, as a Mexican-American living in South Korea with several English friends, I'm 0 for 3. Here's hoping El Tri keeps the dream alive, I'll wake up my entire apartment complex if they pull it off (3:30am start here)

wildbackdunesman

June 27th, 2010 at 2:47 PM ^

Germany won that game and played better, but I do think that the refs changed the complexion of England's strategy, which allowed for Germany to have more counter striking opoortunities - which they capitalized on.

formerlyanonymous

June 27th, 2010 at 3:45 PM ^

A free kick 28' from the goal with 3 men back, 2 of which were burned hardcore, doesn't necessarily mean they were playing aggressive. Was it a massive blunder to have the two guys burned down the sideline as they watched a ball they thought was going out of bounds get cut off? Sure. But even the announcers were discussing the lack of aggression in the first 10 minutes of play in the 2nd half.

PurpleStuff

June 27th, 2010 at 3:57 PM ^

Just watched the Germans' third again and none of the England players in the box begins to backtrack when the ball hits the wall.  It bounces to an England player but still no one moves an inch back toward his own goal.  He loses it and Germany is already going at full sprint.  Even then, they get bodies back but are so disorganized that Muller only has to slip out slightly to the wing in order to get a free shot at goal, which James completely whiffs on.

In short, England did a ton wrong on that play that had nothing to do with being over agressive to make up a goal.

formerlyanonymous

June 27th, 2010 at 4:03 PM ^

I think we're in agreement then. I might have had a detail mixed up, but yeah, I totally agree it was laziness getting back on the counter. I think I might have been thinking of one of the other scoring chances instead, just extending how lazy the English looked.

PurpleStuff

June 27th, 2010 at 3:08 PM ^

I think the third could have happened either way.  They had guys up in the box for the set piece like they always would and Lampard chunked it into the wall.  Then they were slow getting back.  I don't think there would have been too much difference in how England played it in a tie game.  The fourth was more a result of just bombing everyone forward, but at that point it would have been over either way.

PurpleStuff

June 27th, 2010 at 2:40 PM ^

This game is even more exciting on Univision.  Two great chances for Mexico.  I've seen all their Cup games and most of their pre-tournament friendlies.  It seems like every game Salcido has one or two great strikes from distance but he still hasn't scored.  I keep waiting for the big one that finally goes in for him.

wildbackdunesman

June 27th, 2010 at 3:00 PM ^

Put me in the camp for Instant Replay for the World Cup and Qualifying.

The sport is such a low scoring game that wrongly allowed/disallowed goals changes the complexion of the entire game even if scored early on.  With Henry's double handball to beat the Irish, the disallowed goal for the US, England and now this Argentina goal...why not use replay in a limited sense and get the call right?

MGoShoe

June 27th, 2010 at 3:01 PM ^

...a history of falling apart when things don't go their way.  They better get themselves under control or this game will get out of hand quickly.

BlueCE

June 27th, 2010 at 3:18 PM ^

Gotta say I am incredibly disappointed at this world cup.  So much bad officiating: they call goals when they should not be, do not call goals when they do score, phantom red cards.  Plus the crappy ball and the damn vuvuzuelas.


A goal is waaayyy too significant in this game to miss calls, it changes everything, so a missed call is just too important.


Really sad to see this over and over.

 

Haha, loved the last TV comment: "Are these Argentinean players ever going to get up right after they fall down, rather than try to get a foul?"

 

And the worst part is seeing Maradona jumping up and down, I hate that guy.