Well, I'm awake. And I'm kinda curious how much interest there will be now that the US is done. England/Germany is a classic matchup. Argentino/Mexico isn't bad either.
World Cup Day 17 Open Thread
after the game yesterday, i really thought i'd leave the WC alone for the last 2 weeks. but the match ups are too good today.
Allies V. Axis right now.
God Save the Queen!
notice how many outrageously hot German girls are at this game during the national anthems?
Awake! I mean awake! And watching. It's early Sunday morning...C'mon, get your mind out of the gutter...
(At least they're not playing at 7:30 am anymore...and that's EST...west coast must be rough).
Klose scores his 50th International and 12th FIFA World Cup goal, which ties him with Pele for 4th all time.
Seems like he's bagged about twenty at the World Cup over the years, too.
'Mon the Germans!
Aren't you out in Cali? I'm impressed. On a Sunday morning no less.
Yeah, my internal clock has been re-set for the last few weeks. Haven't made any of the early (4:30 here) games, but I haven't missed too much after that.
Eerily similar to the goal yesterday.
Good lord Klose is a cyborg. he keeps on trucking Cup after Cup
2-0 on a Podolski goal.
It could easily be 3 or 4
2-0 from Podolski and could easily be 3-0. Guess the only hope now is to implement that time honored English tradition of begging the Americans to come save their ass at halftime.
Germany is a machine....
England pisses me off. They have so much talent, though a bit overrated, they should be able to beat any team in the world on any given day. However, they are just a bunch of prima donna's. With that said, they just scored. WAIT WHAT?! THAT ISN'T 2-2??!
EDIT: holy crap england were robbed.
Clearly the world hates England in football but only a corrupt or completely incompetent group of officials miss that call.
It's ridiculous to watch England play against 12.
No doubt, 1st Rooney is called offsides on the break away when it was last touched by a German defender then a ball that is at least a yard in the goal is not noticed.
...the Referees assistant was about 20 yards out of position on Lampard's goal and it certainly looked like Jermain Defoe was onside on the header off the wood. There is either a high level of incompetence in that crew (unlikely given FIFA's ref ratings on each game leading to different match placements) or there is some influence playing out.
It's hard enough to play the 11 Germans on the field; thank God Neuer is, well, Neuer.
And by 11 Germans you of course mean 8 Germans and 3 Poles.
Let's not open that can of worms. I don't think Emmanuel Olisadebe is ethnically Polish. For that matter, I didn't see many Native Americans on our squad.
what a match. Glad I woke up early for this.
And THAT is why FIFA needs replay.
no way, just a ref on the goal line, or goal line technology since this is 2010 and all.
WOW England got jobbed there!. Willing to bet instant replay for goals will be in the next WC. The English media will go nuts about that goal for the next 4 years if they lose this game.
Instant replay would hurt soccer. All you need is two more officials, one on each goal.
Beyond goals you have red cards for untouched players diving, handballs off of faces...there seems like a lot that could be corrected.
Edit: and as of Argentina-Mexico, offsides needs to be reviewed too.
Football has seven officials, and replay is still useful. Soccer needs to put in replay, at least for goals (allowed or disallowed) and penalty kick situations, and maybe red cards as well. I'd put officials behind the goals, but I'd also put replay in.
Awful call. Clearly a good goal on Lampard's chip. Should be 2-2. This game is out of control.
Between that and playing Germany, it's almost enough to create some sympathy for the English.
well, that was aclose one... only 2 yards behind the goal line
This guy is making Calamity James look rock solid. Totally lost on the goal and caught off his line twice now (the BS disallowed goal and Defoe's header off the bar where I thought he was actually onside).
We've had a couple exciting shootouts (US-Slovenia, South Korea-Nigeria) but nothing like this with teams that also have the skill to take their chances. Throw in a little controversy and it is a no brainer for me.
...we're going to get 3 (and a half) goals in the second half, are we?
Live: well, 1 more at least...
Edit: then again....Germany doing their part...
3-1 on a nice shot by Müller. Very nice breakout Germany on that play.
Lampard blasts it into the wall after a Rooney flop and ze Germans strike on the counter attack. Muller makes it 3-1.
4-1 now! The rout is on, another by Müller.
4-1. Ozil outruns everybody and feeds Mueller for the tap-in.
I'm sure the English media and English fans will use the disallowed goal as an excuse. But the English have been outclassed by the superior Germans for most of the match.
"Hey, we would have only lost by 2"? If Germany is done. It's one thing if Germany had packed it in. But they may not be done.
England's defense looks as bad as ours. With worse goalkeeping. Say what you will about our Tourney...but we may have done our best work by winning our group and avoiding Germany. Glad this wasn't us.
...I appreciate that you, like the rest of the world, will enjoy England taking this beating but do you think that outclassed is really accurate? The disallowed goal was a major point in the game and clearly impacted the England performance thereafter. Anyone who has played any football is going to understand the difficulty of playing one goal down versus level. England had plenty of the ball and significant chances to finish. Outclassed seems pretty ridiculous.
Congratulations to the German team on the result. I will hope they beat Argentina 50 - 0.
I agree, but England were way too over aggressive in trying to catch up from down 1-2...and when you add in the fact that they didn't play good defense against a great counter attacking team...well perhaps they should have played more within their means as they controlled most of the possession.
Chances you say? The Germans could've been up 4 goals instead of 2 by the time the English started to play this game. They were surely robbed of a goal and probably in overly dramatic English fashion they went into the locker room at half time grabbed their cry towles and called it a day. You had your hopes up. And we American fans had our hopes up as well. But in this tounament more times than not the cream rises to the top.
FWIW, I tuned in as a pretty neutral observer. I started pulling for England when they fell behind 2-0, but only because I wanted a good game. Germany certainly controlled play overall, but the second half may have unfolded differently if it had been 2-2 at intermission instead of 2-1. As it was, Germany had the luxury of playing more defensively and waiting for counter-attacks while England had to press the issue. I did think England played well for the first 20 minutes or so of the second half, but that third goal broke their backs.
What game were you watching???
I can't really root for the Germans in anything...for the last hundred years...but I'm finding this mildly amusing. My wife was giving me all the "these things happen" and "they did well, they're not a great squad" and "maybe Ghana got lucky yesterday". But England is her adopted team from her childhood (because Vietnam hasn't had a team in since...ever). She had to leave after goal 4. :-P
Well she is a brave one, the English national team are the Cubs of soccer.
They've gone the longest without winning (of teams that have won...though there aren't that many for the sport of the world).
They must have had likable players back in the day.
How did Germany lose a game again? If Argentina wins this afternoon...wow, what a match-up. Let them knock each other off for Brazil.
Germany lost a game where the referee made up the rules for distinguishing fouls and penalties as he went along, and they played 10-man ball for 75 minutes.
Klose was a moron for getting tossed, and they deserved to lose the game because of it, but yeah. Three stars for a reason.
Don't forget they are also 3 time European Champions. Great chance they add to those six major titles in the near future as well considering Boateng, Muller, and Ozil are all 21 or younger (something to note considering the USA status report thread yesterday). Only 5 of the 23 men in their World Cup squad are older than 26. Also of interest, all but one player in the German squad play their club football in Germany rather than the self-proclaimed "best league in the world."
It's not the English players that make the EPL the top league in the world. It's the fact that they have more clubs with fat pockets than most other leagues in the world. And that allows them to buy more than their fair share of the world's top young talent.
The EPL is the easiest league to relate to for English speaking Americans and gets the most media coverage here, but the league has definitely been on the decline in the last year. They had no Champions League semi-finalists this past season (after dominating the competition for a couple of years) and they have far fewer top players than Spain at the moment.
If Wayne Rooney can be the best player in your league, then your league is not the best in the world.
I just got home from watching the game a bit ago, and I'm surprised there aren't any comments on Klose's goal. He was clearly offsides on Germany's first goal, but it wasn't called. Along with the ball across the goal line on Lampard's shot, England should have had 2 goals in the first half to Germany's 1. I was watching the game with a friend from England, and we both agreed that Germany may still have won the game, but the refs didn't need to help them to the quarterfinals like they did. Germany's second half goals came on the counterattack after England were pushing up more than they may have otherwise, and I believe the game could have gone either way
This weekend has gone very badly for me so far, as a Mexican-American living in South Korea with several English friends, I'm 0 for 3. Here's hoping El Tri keeps the dream alive, I'll wake up my entire apartment complex if they pull it off (3:30am start here)
Like a throw-in or a corner, you can't be offside on a goal kick. That is why nobody mentioned it. Klose's goal was good and the game is still a route even if Lampard gets credited for the wrongly disallowed goal.
Germany won that game and played better, but I do think that the refs changed the complexion of England's strategy, which allowed for Germany to have more counter striking opoortunities - which they capitalized on.
I think easily conceding two goals in the first half had more to do with the change in strategy than the one bad call.
And you honestly think that 2 legitimate England goals would not shift England strategy away from being overly aggressive where they are easily vulernable to counter attack break aways -- how Germany scored in the second half?
England didn't come out in the second half aggressively. They didn't start playing aggressive until the 3-1 goal was already in. Maybe it'd been different down 3-2, but as soon as England went aggressive, they immediately gave up the 4th goal. Everything after that was just Germany playing keep away.
I respectfully disagree, wasn't Germany's 3rd goal off of an England free kick. England had too many men up being aggressive and when the kick went into the wall and took a fortunate bounce Germany were off to the races with better numbers to score.
A free kick 28' from the goal with 3 men back, 2 of which were burned hardcore, doesn't necessarily mean they were playing aggressive. Was it a massive blunder to have the two guys burned down the sideline as they watched a ball they thought was going out of bounds get cut off? Sure. But even the announcers were discussing the lack of aggression in the first 10 minutes of play in the 2nd half.
Just watched the Germans' third again and none of the England players in the box begins to backtrack when the ball hits the wall. It bounces to an England player but still no one moves an inch back toward his own goal. He loses it and Germany is already going at full sprint. Even then, they get bodies back but are so disorganized that Muller only has to slip out slightly to the wing in order to get a free shot at goal, which James completely whiffs on.
In short, England did a ton wrong on that play that had nothing to do with being over agressive to make up a goal.
I think we're in agreement then. I might have had a detail mixed up, but yeah, I totally agree it was laziness getting back on the counter. I think I might have been thinking of one of the other scoring chances instead, just extending how lazy the English looked.
I think the third could have happened either way. They had guys up in the box for the set piece like they always would and Lampard chunked it into the wall. Then they were slow getting back. I don't think there would have been too much difference in how England played it in a tie game. The fourth was more a result of just bombing everyone forward, but at that point it would have been over either way.
This World Cup has been testing my memory of the offsides rules
This game is even more exciting on Univision. Two great chances for Mexico. I've seen all their Cup games and most of their pre-tournament friendlies. It seems like every game Salcido has one or two great strikes from distance but he still hasn't scored. I keep waiting for the big one that finally goes in for him.
Univision is great, especially when the announcer yells GGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL for nearly 2 minutes.
... i can't understand what their saying, but on ABC i can't understand those british guys are talking about either, at least on univision it's exciting
Tevez nods in and is ridiculously offside. Mexicans are deservedly going ape-shit.
offside. and the mexicans know it
Tevez was behind everybody. That is unreal that they could miss that call.
That was just awful.
Put me in the camp for Instant Replay for the World Cup and Qualifying.
The sport is such a low scoring game that wrongly allowed/disallowed goals changes the complexion of the entire game even if scored early on. With Henry's double handball to beat the Irish, the disallowed goal for the US, England and now this Argentina goal...why not use replay in a limited sense and get the call right?
okay THAT goal was legit
..on Comcast Ann Arbor.
/not really, just taking advantage of your lack of coverage
But that was damn funny. I would have bought it too. I did miss Argentina goal #2/legit goal #1.
ABC went out on over the air as well in Grosse Pointe. Stupid thunderstorms...
i think the storms took out the local ABC station in southfield
Gotta say I am incredibly disappointed at this world cup. So much bad officiating: they call goals when they should not be, do not call goals when they do score, phantom red cards. Plus the crappy ball and the damn vuvuzuelas.
A goal is waaayyy too significant in this game to miss calls, it changes everything, so a missed call is just too important.
Really sad to see this over and over.
Haha, loved the last TV comment: "Are these Argentinean players ever going to get up right after they fall down, rather than try to get a foul?"
And the worst part is seeing Maradona jumping up and down, I hate that guy.
What a strike from Tevez. Good night, Mexico.
this Mexican defending is a joke
Fuck Mexico. 3-1.
3-1. Great goal from Hernandez. Mexico are just a Blanco brace off the bench away from sending this to extra time.
Argentina's keeper always looks like he's wearing lead boots.
I am now unsure whether the Italian, Portuguese or Argentinean are the biggest wuzzes and actors in the world cup... so many to choose from
If the Chile game was any indication, the Spanish may deserve mention in that illustrious group as well.
The longer Messi goes without scoring the better for Argentina. He's due 5 or 6, might as well save them for the Germans
My team and my two most hated teams are now gone. Who to root for now? Chaos it is.
This is the fifth consecutive World Cup in which Mexico has bowed out in the second round. Nothing prepares you for world-class competition like a steady diet of CONCACAF cupcakes!
...sponsored by VW...should NOT be highlighting German games.
I'm watching the MLS game of the week on ESPN2 right now. Lack of English announcers is a huge difference. I think if US announcers were to do the game drunk, say, like Brent Musburger, it would be a better overall experience.
That and Philly needs them some vuvuzelas.