I created this thread because.... F&$k Wisconsin.
this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
BIG officials allow BIG teams to do things they are not allowed to do in the tourney....see BIG championship game (tackles, punches, pushing)
Wisconsin shot 25%. Sam Dekker was the only player on the team who made more than two shots.
So Ryan Evans only ran down the court with his hand in the air once? Good. They are still shitty no matter what. Someone imbed the Japanese grounds crew guy from major league.
but seriously, there's no such thing as Big Ten refs right?.,,Right???
Still, the look on the face of every Wisky player when they actually got called for the things that they were hardly ever called on in the B1G was pretty funny. And it looked like that really did throw them off their game.
I predcicted this very scenario (not here) to all my hoops-informed buddies, and said the teams it would hurt worst were Sconnie and Sparty. And would help us and IU.
If State loses this weekend, I'll feel like a fuckin' prophet.
i should have known better to trust a Bo Ryan team in the tournament...Why did I put them in the elite eight...
I had Ole Miss beating them, but then when I saw how the SEC was doing in the NIT, I switched my pick. I decided that once Wisconsin got by them, they had a pretty good shot at the Elite 8. My MGoBlog reflects these changes and my work one doesn't, so I just got fucked in one and am sitting pretty in the other in that respect. However, my work one had New Mexico over OSU. I just can't win.
all my first, er second, round misses so far i had losing in the round of 32. Except Ok St, which I had in the elite 8.
I at least had K-State beating Wisconsin in the next round, so that's still intact, if K-State beats LaSalle and Ole Miss.
NC State is on the ropes, but I had them losing in the next round, anyway.
I had Wisconsin over K-State, so I'm actually rooting against K-State now although I picked them over LaSalle. This way, everyone in my pool loses that game in the next round, not just us dopes who picked Wisconsin.
it's not looking good for the 'cats at the moment, as LaSalle is up 15 at the start of the 2nd half.
I had them going to the Sweet Sixteen. West is totally screwing my bracket right now.
Concurred, my dumbass finally figured that out with Jamie Dixon and Pitt but somehow I still picked Wisc to beat Kansas State who is currently down what 20 points? My West bracket is completely busted at this point.
I did that blind pool from wall street journal.
I did that blind pool from wall street journal.
around 10,000 (random guess) people attended this game. There were no survivors.
Wisconsin losing is good for the heart. I just hate that carrot top player
cue Nelson laugh:
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I can never tell with Wisconsin whether we're supposed to think that's crazy or be apologizing because they are good, or they really do suck.
that the SEC stank. But Kenpom is so rarely wrong that it does the heart good.
As much as I dislike the "States", I hate Wisconsin more in BB. I hate Bo Ryan, I hate his style, I hate the "we're unathletic so we will mug our way to wins". Glad to see them gone.
It's not about how it affects you; it's fuck Wisconsin.
Was the game really Wisconsiny? I didn't get a chance to watch it.
They shot 25% and scored 46 points, so once again they entered the national stage and made the Big Ten look like a bunch of chumps for not being able to beat them...Wisconsiny is a good word, btw. I think I may start using it when something that should be really good (like basketball) turns into something ugly (like Wisconsin basketball). Ex: Seeing that kitten be hit by that car was particularly Wisconsiny.
This is especially bad because Wisky beat us twice. Wisky was not only a victim of its own soulless brand of basketball, but of low-ball seeding. Ole Miss, like Oregon, is better than all 11 and 10s, and most 9s.
does the smell of stale beer and deep fryer grease permeate the air?
Lucky this game wasn't on later when I could have accidently watched it. We need to cherish every day on this earth because today, some people did watch that game
and seriously considered drinking already....if I didnt' have to teach tonight I would have
I watched and thoroughly enjoyed seeing that team lose while I was at work. IM JUST SO HAPPY I DON'T HAVE TO WATCH ANOTHER BADGER GAME THIS YEAR!!!
Why root for the B1G? What have they ever done for you?
Well, because it's better than random SEC team winning?
The Big Ten doing well in the tourney benefits all Big Ten teams, including us. It helps get more teams bids, and it makes more money for the conference, which is then split. So for both money and perception, Michigan benefits.
I'm not exactly crying that they got upset, but there are actual benefits to Big Ten teams winning.
Teams that do well in the Tourney recruit better. Big Ten teams recruit a lot of the same players we do. Good players that go to other schools instead of Michigan makes them better and Michigan worse. Which often results in losses for Michigan. That's not good.
I disagree. We recruit kids from all over the country, and only go head to head on a handful of kids, and there aren't any teams (like there are in football) where M recruits against for kids every year.
So if OSU or MSU or Indiana wins the national title, that might sway one kid in 2 or 3 years, but maybe not. Then again, there might be a handful of kids who want the chance to knock of the national champion, or to play in the league with recent national title winners becuase those will be big games on national TV. I'm almost positive this is a net-positive for us.
It also helps our seeding in future years. If there is a perception that the Big Ten performs well in the tourney, that will help our seeding.
And again, the league gets big time TV dollars out of it, which is the most measurable part. So cheer for that, if for no other reason.
With mostly Indiana players, a revitalized Hoosiers seems like a bad thing. And if you don't think our sustained success is going to have to involve beating MSU for our fair share of instate recruits, I don't know what to tell you. Ohio State isn't going to pass on the best player in the country in their home city too often either.
I'm not saying we won't go up against any other Big Ten teams, but for any given team, we'll probably go up against them one every few years. Yes, if all three of those teams won the national title in the same year, it would be bad for us. But that's not going to happen. And it's not like Ohio or Indiana kids don't already want to go to OSU of IU.
There is a lot of bball talent in the Midwest, and we'll get our guys (and some from outside of the region too). A Big Ten team winning it all will not have a major impact on our recruiting at all.
And they had a lock down on that state, with the crumbs going to Purdue. We've offset weak instate recruiting with Indiana talent. If the latter gets shut down, we're going to have to go head to head with MSU for the former. We have Nik, THJ, and....? who aren't from those three states?
There's more talent in Indiana and Ohio than those schools can take, so assuming our program doesn't tank, we'll always get our guys.
I see the point you're making, I just don't agree. I think the Big Ten doing well helps us overall. I didn't say there weren't some drawbacks, but overall it's a plus.
Now, cheering against teams like ND and Cincinnati is a good idea.
That got us losses and a stinky 4 seed. While a bunch of teams that played nobody and amassed a nice record (SEC, Big 12, Gonzaga) got rewarded with high seeds. It's like football. They like to say they look at strength of schedule, but number of losses comes first.
No, we got a four seed because we lost to Penn State. If we win that game, we're a three seed. Or either Wisconsin game. We had a tough schedule, but we also lost a few we shouldn't have.
SOS plays a big role. Name another team that finished 5th in their league and got a 4 seed or better. Especially one that didn't make any noise in their conference tourney.
That 4 teams with the same or more losses got a higher seed than us (out of a realistic 8). How many from real conferences with less were ranked behind us?
You want to argue finishing back hurt us, sure. The conference didn't help though.
I wouldn't really care normally, but I hate that they bowed out against an SEC team.
Losing to anyone but an SEC team would be preferable, but at least they are gone. One wish granted.
Wisconsin reminds me of a woman in the 1950s workforce who could never break through the glass ceiling. What's better to be consistently either great or terrible, or consistently just above mediocre like Wisconsin is at all sports? Touch call, but give me inconsistent greatness over consistent mediocrity.
Weird sports metaphor or weirdest sports metaphor?
First of all, women didn't even come close to the glass ceiling in the 1950s. That term was coined in the 1980s, I think. Second, women didn't hit the glass ceiling, according to the metaphor of the glass ceiling, because of their own mediocrity.