BIG officials allow BIG teams to do things they are not allowed to do in the tourney....see BIG championship game (tackles, punches, pushing)
Wisconsin Loses to Ole Miss
Wisconsin shot 25%. Sam Dekker was the only player on the team who made more than two shots.
So Ryan Evans only ran down the court with his hand in the air once? Good. They are still shitty no matter what. Someone imbed the Japanese grounds crew guy from major league.
but seriously, there's no such thing as Big Ten refs right?.,,Right???
Still, the look on the face of every Wisky player when they actually got called for the things that they were hardly ever called on in the B1G was pretty funny. And it looked like that really did throw them off their game.
I predcicted this very scenario (not here) to all my hoops-informed buddies, and said the teams it would hurt worst were Sconnie and Sparty. And would help us and IU.
If State loses this weekend, I'll feel like a fuckin' prophet.
i should have known better to trust a Bo Ryan team in the tournament...Why did I put them in the elite eight...
I had Ole Miss beating them, but then when I saw how the SEC was doing in the NIT, I switched my pick. I decided that once Wisconsin got by them, they had a pretty good shot at the Elite 8. My MGoBlog reflects these changes and my work one doesn't, so I just got fucked in one and am sitting pretty in the other in that respect. However, my work one had New Mexico over OSU. I just can't win.
all my first, er second, round misses so far i had losing in the round of 32. Except Ok St, which I had in the elite 8.
I at least had K-State beating Wisconsin in the next round, so that's still intact, if K-State beats LaSalle and Ole Miss.
NC State is on the ropes, but I had them losing in the next round, anyway.
I had Wisconsin over K-State, so I'm actually rooting against K-State now although I picked them over LaSalle. This way, everyone in my pool loses that game in the next round, not just us dopes who picked Wisconsin.
it's not looking good for the 'cats at the moment, as LaSalle is up 15 at the start of the 2nd half.
I had them going to the Sweet Sixteen. West is totally screwing my bracket right now.
Concurred, my dumbass finally figured that out with Jamie Dixon and Pitt but somehow I still picked Wisc to beat Kansas State who is currently down what 20 points? My West bracket is completely busted at this point.
I did that blind pool from wall street journal.
I did that blind pool from wall street journal.
around 10,000 (random guess) people attended this game. There were no survivors.
Wisconsin losing is good for the heart. I just hate that carrot top player
cue Nelson laugh:
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I can never tell with Wisconsin whether we're supposed to think that's crazy or be apologizing because they are good, or they really do suck.
that the SEC stank. But Kenpom is so rarely wrong that it does the heart good.
As much as I dislike the "States", I hate Wisconsin more in BB. I hate Bo Ryan, I hate his style, I hate the "we're unathletic so we will mug our way to wins". Glad to see them gone.
It's not about how it affects you; it's fuck Wisconsin.
Was the game really Wisconsiny? I didn't get a chance to watch it.
They shot 25% and scored 46 points, so once again they entered the national stage and made the Big Ten look like a bunch of chumps for not being able to beat them...Wisconsiny is a good word, btw. I think I may start using it when something that should be really good (like basketball) turns into something ugly (like Wisconsin basketball). Ex: Seeing that kitten be hit by that car was particularly Wisconsiny.
This is especially bad because Wisky beat us twice. Wisky was not only a victim of its own soulless brand of basketball, but of low-ball seeding. Ole Miss, like Oregon, is better than all 11 and 10s, and most 9s.
does the smell of stale beer and deep fryer grease permeate the air?
Lucky this game wasn't on later when I could have accidently watched it. We need to cherish every day on this earth because today, some people did watch that game
and seriously considered drinking already....if I didnt' have to teach tonight I would have
I watched and thoroughly enjoyed seeing that team lose while I was at work. IM JUST SO HAPPY I DON'T HAVE TO WATCH ANOTHER BADGER GAME THIS YEAR!!!
Why root for the B1G? What have they ever done for you?
Well, because it's better than random SEC team winning?
The Big Ten doing well in the tourney benefits all Big Ten teams, including us. It helps get more teams bids, and it makes more money for the conference, which is then split. So for both money and perception, Michigan benefits.
I'm not exactly crying that they got upset, but there are actual benefits to Big Ten teams winning.
Teams that do well in the Tourney recruit better. Big Ten teams recruit a lot of the same players we do. Good players that go to other schools instead of Michigan makes them better and Michigan worse. Which often results in losses for Michigan. That's not good.
I disagree. We recruit kids from all over the country, and only go head to head on a handful of kids, and there aren't any teams (like there are in football) where M recruits against for kids every year.
So if OSU or MSU or Indiana wins the national title, that might sway one kid in 2 or 3 years, but maybe not. Then again, there might be a handful of kids who want the chance to knock of the national champion, or to play in the league with recent national title winners becuase those will be big games on national TV. I'm almost positive this is a net-positive for us.
It also helps our seeding in future years. If there is a perception that the Big Ten performs well in the tourney, that will help our seeding.
And again, the league gets big time TV dollars out of it, which is the most measurable part. So cheer for that, if for no other reason.
With mostly Indiana players, a revitalized Hoosiers seems like a bad thing. And if you don't think our sustained success is going to have to involve beating MSU for our fair share of instate recruits, I don't know what to tell you. Ohio State isn't going to pass on the best player in the country in their home city too often either.
I'm not saying we won't go up against any other Big Ten teams, but for any given team, we'll probably go up against them one every few years. Yes, if all three of those teams won the national title in the same year, it would be bad for us. But that's not going to happen. And it's not like Ohio or Indiana kids don't already want to go to OSU of IU.
There is a lot of bball talent in the Midwest, and we'll get our guys (and some from outside of the region too). A Big Ten team winning it all will not have a major impact on our recruiting at all.
And they had a lock down on that state, with the crumbs going to Purdue. We've offset weak instate recruiting with Indiana talent. If the latter gets shut down, we're going to have to go head to head with MSU for the former. We have Nik, THJ, and....? who aren't from those three states?
There's more talent in Indiana and Ohio than those schools can take, so assuming our program doesn't tank, we'll always get our guys.
I see the point you're making, I just don't agree. I think the Big Ten doing well helps us overall. I didn't say there weren't some drawbacks, but overall it's a plus.
Now, cheering against teams like ND and Cincinnati is a good idea.
That got us losses and a stinky 4 seed. While a bunch of teams that played nobody and amassed a nice record (SEC, Big 12, Gonzaga) got rewarded with high seeds. It's like football. They like to say they look at strength of schedule, but number of losses comes first.
No, we got a four seed because we lost to Penn State. If we win that game, we're a three seed. Or either Wisconsin game. We had a tough schedule, but we also lost a few we shouldn't have.
SOS plays a big role. Name another team that finished 5th in their league and got a 4 seed or better. Especially one that didn't make any noise in their conference tourney.
That 4 teams with the same or more losses got a higher seed than us (out of a realistic 8). How many from real conferences with less were ranked behind us?
You want to argue finishing back hurt us, sure. The conference didn't help though.
I wouldn't really care normally, but I hate that they bowed out against an SEC team.
Losing to anyone but an SEC team would be preferable, but at least they are gone. One wish granted.
Wisconsin reminds me of a woman in the 1950s workforce who could never break through the glass ceiling. What's better to be consistently either great or terrible, or consistently just above mediocre like Wisconsin is at all sports? Touch call, but give me inconsistent greatness over consistent mediocrity.
Weird sports metaphor or weirdest sports metaphor?
First of all, women didn't even come close to the glass ceiling in the 1950s. That term was coined in the 1980s, I think. Second, women didn't hit the glass ceiling, according to the metaphor of the glass ceiling, because of their own mediocrity.
also, weird because i like women
I feel like Bo Ryan really didn't mind losing this game because he gets to troll the entire B1G's repuation as a whole and he also gets to troll the 80% of people who had them winning that game in their brackets. This stuff is his lifeblood.
Bo Ryan is like Satan in that South Park episode where Satan and Jesus schedule a boxing bout, but Satan takes a dive because everybody bet on him and he bet on Jesus.
You summed up perfectly how I feel about Wisconsin. They seem like either a librarian yelling shhhhhh or an annoying TSA agent just out to ruin your day with annoyance or molestation.
Justice has been served.
Marshall Henderson is one of the douchebags where I wish he played on Michigan and I could embrace him saying he is "our douchebag."
Ugh, not me. If he played for Michigan, I would defend him in public but secretly wish he wasn't on my team (or at least wish he wasn't such a douchebag). That guy annoys me more than any player in the last few years.
That guy is the poster boy for Axe body spray.
No, I'd say it's for cheap cigarettes and Affliction t-shirts.
I think we're splitting hairs at this point.
we already have one in Nik Stauskas....
Not even close to the same.
I was so hopeful after Gonzaga looked like shit yesterday.
You should re-name the thread to the "Official I hate Bo Ryan and fat Wisconsin thread"
Because that's how we really feel.
Bracket in the toilet.
Though I agree with your sentiment, these are the kinds of threads that make us look like douchbags and hypocrites when we complain about other teams trolling our Wolverines.
But in fairness, Wisconsin is universally hated. I think an exception should be made for them.
How do we look like douches? By cheering that one of the most annoying, boring, and lucky teams in all of basketball went home? You know, the team that beat us with a BS half courter, a banked in 3 not too long ago, and had the easiest schedule in the conference by far?
This is March Madness. It's not a golf tournament.
No reason to belabor this, but saying they were overrated or their style sucks is one thing. Saying "F-ck Wisconsin" is another. I think we can agree that the latter is douchy.
I do agree that's over the top.
Was Wisconsin overrated? They weren't really rated that high (they were a 5 seed) but they beat us twice, beat Indiana twice (including in Bloomington) and made it to the Big Ten tourney finals.
They weren't an elite team, but they weren't rated as such either. Outside of their tourney exit (which, let's be honest, happens) they were pretty adequately rated, if you ask me.
UofM is also universally hated, by everyone who isnt a UofM fan
This is true in Big Ten country but not necessarily elsewhere. There are many people in other regions that respect us a lot (often more than they do OSU or ND).
We aren't the only ones who hate them. Sir Charles Barkley went on a rant about them earlier today on TruTV I believe.
I'm sure this is true, but it's not exactly elite company.
To be fair at this time of year everyone bitches about everyone in regrads to their brackets, especially the teams that you've lost twice too and who you subsquently said "A'ight I'll take you to win 1".
Therefore I dont think its too douchey because we'll everybody is doing it.
Ole Miss: Striking A Blow Against Unwatchable Basketball Since 2013.
they lumber through the B1G season just battering people with hideous basketball doing damage for the sake of damage and then they get to the big dance and completely poop the bed. So figures.
Question to those who saw some or all of the game: was it your impression that Wisconson lost because they were unable to get away with bumps, etc., that were not typically called as fouls in the B1G?
I'm curious not only w/r/t Wisconson, but whether our preconception that the tournament officials are calling games tighter than the B1G is being borne out in the early rounds.
Yes but not how you may think. Wisconsin, for the first time since they began conference play, ran into officials who actually called the game they way it was designed to be called and they were absolutely shocked. For their last 20 games or so they've been allowed to push, hack, punch and basically play icehockeybasketball by the B1G officiating crew. Today they weren't and they didnt know what to do.
Look at Wisconsin's record in and out of conference. I so wish the B1G officials would wake up and stop rewarding that bastardization of basketball (see NY Knicks circa 1995 for reference point) and call the game the way it was designed!
I am thrilled they are gone.
I thought icehockeybasketball started in Minnesota. Has it moved to Wisconsin?
Their colleges even have reciprocity
I was listening to the game on the road, and if I'm not mistaken, I think they matched their season averaged by halftime. At that point, Ole Miss didn't capitalize on them as much as they should have, but it's obvious they came back to bite Wiscy.
Wisconsin definitely plays a "hacky" style and it's good to hear that the refs were having none of that. With luck that will be a tournament-wide trend, for the sake of Michigan (who, while hardly soft, is not particularly physical).
As far as turnovers go, I suspect the foul calls took Wisconsin out of its game and comfort zone. Of course Ole Miss may be a bit underrated - they did beat Florida to win the SEC Tournament. In any event, I'm with all the folks glad to see Wisconsin eliminated, even if it takes some of the shine off of the B1G.
Anyway, thanks for the input!
My bracket had Michigan beating Wisconsin in the NCG.. The ultimate revenge.. In other news, this makes my day..
Does anyone else realize that Michigan is the only 4 seed that is playing the 5 seed this weekend? Death to 5 seeds!
I had them losing in round one so I'm okay with this. Wisconsin never does anything in the tourney
Even though it's a B1G team this makes my day. No Bo Ryan ball, as effective as it was against us. And Indiana.
to pull out their "Off Wisconsin!" shirts. I'm sure they made those one year....
This is what Wisconsin is going to get with Bo Ryan. In the Big Ten, they'll be a consistent 2nd to 4th place team and in the tournament they will struggle to make it out of the first weekend. I'd place part of the blame on Barry Alvarez's shoulders as well.
That's not really true. Ryan's Wisconsin teams have advanced to the Sweet 16 or further five times in 12 NCAA appearances.
Not to mention making the tournament every single year he's been there, which is very impressive for a team without any significant bball tradition pre-Dick Bennett.
I want to hear how Alvarez is to blame.
especially if K State continues to be a no show
Into the tourney. I'm glad I read all the posts about the Big Ten style of play and officiating not dictating games in the tourney. I feel so much better now. If we lose to VCU who do I blame?
Rich rod, free press, Ed Martin, Chris webber, Wisconsin
Late great Peter Tosh said everyone crying out for freedom but no one cryin out for justice. But Pete was wrong. I have been crying out for justice for a long time and we finally have it. RIP Pete.
If there's any negativity to this, it just further solidifies the perception that the Big Ten will always shit the bed against the SEC.
So outside of MSU, every team we've played this year has lost so far, all upsets (Pitt, NC State, Wisconsin, K-State).
Indiana is rectifying that.
I vented a bit on the other thread, but I am still PO'd at Wiscy. Why can't Big Ten teams go out and play in tournaments with even half of the passion they show against Michigan? Where was the desperation: the feeling of launching a shot that absolutely, positively is going to go down because there is no other option?
This is the same team that makes a half-court buzzer-beater to force overtime against Michigan? 15-59 from the [bleeping] field?
"On, Wisconsin?" No way. How about "[bleep] Wisconsin?"
It's pretty simple Tater. Against Michigan they were allowed...no ENCOURAGED to play icehockeybasketball by the officials. They were allowed to hit, shove, punch, push and generally mug us unabated for 40 minutes. And it worked!
Today they weren't allowed to play rollerbasketball and didnt know what to do. You could see it in their faces when they'd armbar a player driving to the basket when a fould was called. They were honestly confused because the B1G refs had allowed them to hit people at will for the past four months of play.
It's not passion they lacked. It's the officials who believe that basketball should have the same level of contact allowed as hockey that were missing.
My final was Indiana beating them. Why couldn't they shoot like that when we played them
Hilarious stat of the day: Wisconsin's hockey team had a better shooting percentage last night than the Wisconsin basketball team did today.
7 Goals on 27 shots (25.9%) v. 15 makes on 59 shots (25.4%)
...from the Wisconsin-Ole Miss game:
|OFF. REB. %||30.23%||28.57%|
|DEF. REB. %||71.43%||69.77%|
|ASSIST / TURNOVER||0.91||0.89|
Interestingly, Wisconsin managed to maintain a better steal and block percentage and a fairly comparable turnover percentage, so Bo Ryan, in his fashion, coached Wisconsin through an otherwise typically Wisconsin game and still lost by the numbers. Ole Miss exceled in free throw rate, and that was actually one of the few stats where they were significantly better than the Badgers.
Man I had UW in the elite 8. I love watching Marshall henderson but he's not that good and Ole Miss is terrible and might be in the NIT right now if not for a lucky SEC tourney run.
Good good good.