Will Beilein ever put a man on the inbound? Forget fouling, that end was exactly like Evan Turner's shot against us
Brian's take on the Refs, and the game
There is no justice. There is only Bo Ryan ruining basketball.
— mgoblog (@mgoblog) February 9, 2013
I hate everything forever.
Now's the time to feel this way
I think we just watched their highlight and our lowlight for the 2012-2013 season. Our best days (ie March) are ahead of us.
Besides, if you root for UW you root for "that" style of play, the Italy of college hoops, except they have no titles (an event only possible if the NCAA had the entire tourney at Kohl)
They didn't win, we lost.
13 missed layups to 3, not fouling at end of regulation = L.
I had a debate with my roommate about this.
I actually agree with no fouling. There was only 2.4 seconds left and Wisconsin is inbounding from their baseline. Now if you let them pass it in to around halfcourt and foul, that only takes up at most 1 second. Now Wisconsin is inbounding with 1.4 seconds left from halfcourt. It is much easier to run a play to get a player an open look off a screen from half court.
IMO the biggest mistake was not putting someone on the inbounder to make it harder on him to throw a perfect pass to a man on the run 1/3rd of the way down the court.
The Michigan Difference. Oh yea, it is real.
You can foul before the
You can foul before the inbounds pass. We should have done that 4 times in row.
This is MICHIGAN
And if the refs deem that
And if the refs deem that intentional, then it is 2 foul shoots and the ball. Does that really seem like a smart risk?
The Michigan Difference. Oh yea, it is real.
Could
Have fouled him times, would have been less time. Pretty tough to stick a 3 on inbounds with 1-1.3 seconds. Should have fouled, dumb execution.
Denard Robinson......They're not going to catch him!
Burst went into his shooting
Burst went into his shooting motion with about 1.6 seconds left and released the ball with about 0.9 seconds left. In what happened you are left with 2 scenarios.
A) Wisconsin ball at midcourt with 1.6 seconds left in the game.
or
B) 3 Wisconsin FTs.
I like the original scenario much better then the other two possibilities if we decided to foul. Do you know the percentage of the shot Burst made going sideways with a hand right in his face? I will give you a hint, It is not high.
He made it, it happens. Now it is time to focus on beating State and using this game as an example that you cannot allow teams to even have a chance at the end of games because shit happens and prayers (not yours) are answered.
The Michigan Difference. Oh yea, it is real.
I don't have a problem with
I don't have a problem with scenario A. You can just foul again and then they're shooting a one and one. If you leave the inbound passer unguarded, then you have five defenders for the four remaining guys, so it's not likely that they can get an open look before they get fouled.
Does no one remember
this isnt just today and Evan Turner remember when I actually think it was the red haired kid still there banked that crap three to beat us at home like 3 years ago. Which if I recall right cost us a bid to the tourney cause we needed a statement win bad that year. That being said if I see this crap one more time out of this coaching staff I will snap
21 years of coaching and every senior who stayed had at least 1 big ten title... That is what " Those who stay will be champions" will really get you Ohio native Bo Schembechler.
A) That was Josh Gasser
B) We
A) That was Josh Gasser
B) We made the tourney that year: 2010 - 2011
But that Turner shot was a killer as a came in the semi finals of the BTT, in the 2009-2010 year that we missed the big dance. If we won that game, all we needed to do was beat a so-so Minnesota team in the finals for the automatic bid.
The Michigan Difference. Oh yea, it is real.
The Turner shot came in the
The Turner shot came in the quarterfinal. We still would have needed to win two more games in the next two days to make the tourney.
The Gasser shot, as noted, ultimately didn't affect our season much.
I don't think this one ultimately will either, although it's very annoying right now. If we turn around and beat Sparty, it's a wash in my book.
There are a lot of posters here who have rediscovered the basketball program in the last couple of years after not following it for awhile, and they're still approaching basketball from a football perspective. Unlike football, a single loss doesn't devastate your season. Also, whereas football players basically are supposed to do exactly what their coach tells them, basketball is a much more improvisional sport and the coach's impact on individual plays is less. Today, Beilein called for a foul, and we didn't foul. That kind of thing happens a lot in a basketball game. The players often don't do what the coach wants. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
Even worse than not fouling
Even worse than not fouling was that Beilein had nobody on the inbound passer and he had McGary run down under our own basket guarding nobody. That was some dumb ass shit by a good coach. Actually, I would say it was some unacceptable shit by an otherwise good coach. Brust hit a total bullshit prayer but that was way too easily executed. Michigan made it way too easy to get that half court look. They should have made Wisconsin catch the pass coming toward the inbound passer in the back court. If he hits some bullshit after that, I can live with it slightly more than living with it now. Wisconsin is such a joke.
What ya gonna do when HOKEamania runs wild on you???
This. I don't understand why
This. I don't understand why you do not put a big body like Mitch on the inbound passer. It makes it MUCH more difficult to throw a pass that get caught on the run like what we just saw. What good does it do to have Mitch on the court in a situation like this???
the way to think about this is to assume
that the other team is not going to hit a .003% shot. Now, you've got five players. You cover everyone, and you send a man down underneath to foul or prevent an easy layup from someone streaking toward the basket.
There are a number of ways to approach such a scenario, but this is hardly a reprehensible one, let alone something you condemn the coach for. And the fact that someone else hit a buzzer-beater against us two years ago, when added to today, means (drumroll) jacksh*t.
Except they were down 3
So there's no point in guarding inside the 3-pt line. If McGary isn't guarding the inbound pass, which imo is the best way to use him, he should be playing "free safety" near midcourt.
"A lot of people gamble, don't you think? I think I'd be a pretty sure bet." - Denard Robinson re: NFL Draft
Yep. I love our guys and
Yep. I love our guys and have great hopes for this season. But that was an exercise in refusing to win a ball game. It is part and parcel of playing a lot of freshmen. These were mainly mental errors, such as McGary not slamming home a dunk but trying the (missed) layup right before the end of regulation. In the late second half I was keeping track of points we just refused to take and finally quit counting. This was a primer in how to lose to an inferior team. Oh well, the experience should pay off in March.
"Football is happening at Michigan... we have that savoir faire." Dhani Jones
We missed Morgan a lot in this game
Guaranteed he comverts a few of those inside passes that Horford, Biefeldt and McGary fumbled or bricked.
actually, both happened
actually, both happened
Kohl Center luck. What a
Kohl Center luck. What a joke.
University of Tom Brady, B.A. '10; University of Peyton Manning, J.D. '13.
When number 1 hit that shot
When number 1 hit that shot at the end of regulation, I hurt my head banging it on my coffee table.
What the fuck is wrong with
What the fuck is wrong with Wisconsin rushing the court?
I really don't have a problem
I really don't have a problem with it in this instance. Playing Top 5 team, buzzer beater to force OT, they were unranked. We all know Wisconsin has a good program, but they still weren't getting respect this year, even after beating Indiana in Bloomington. I think this win, and the way they got it, will finally vault them back into getting the respect they feel they deserve.
Also, this was a better win than us vs UCONN in 2010(?)
Wisconsin was a 2pt underdog?
Wisconsin was a 2pt underdog?
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
They were a 2-point dog.
That ain't court-rushing material.
Where has Glenn Robinson been
Where has Glenn Robinson been this year? He has been absent from game after game after game.
You can blame it on clock management or on that missed layup by McGary in overtime, but ultimately we have a starter eating up tons of minutes consistently giving NOTHING game after game.
But he's going to the pro's
But he's going to the pro's after this year!
/s
lol what a joke
It makes you appreciate THJ
It makes you appreciate THJ as a freshman, esp considering all the hate on this board and other places towards him during his "sophmore slump". GRIII has more athleticism and "upside" but THJ actually executed during the Big10 season as a frosh. If he played back then like GRIII plays now we'd have been a horrid team 2 years ago.
To me GrIII does not have his own game - he doesnt create for self which athletic guys need to do in "the league". THere are no set plays for him - he is like a clean up guy, he gets his points on fast breaks and cleaning up other people's junk. No harm in that but there are less of those opportunities against good teams. Also he is not handling the physicality of the Big 10 well at all. Notice McGrary doing better the more physical it gets, while GRIII disappearing in the same time frame.
Again he is only a frosh so lets not give up on him but these NBA projections are laughable now. If he thinks this is physical wait until 28 year old men start messing with him. Kid needs to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle this summer and develop an offensive game outside of fast break drunks.
McGrary? Drunks?
McGrary? Drunks?
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
Hit the freshman wall.
Hit the freshman wall.
Totally gave it away
Totally gave it away
i hate basketball.
i hate basketball.
What a great officiating crew
What a great officiating crew - Dakich
"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."
We honestly deserved to lose
We honestly deserved to lose that game. Basically everyone played terrible.
Class of 2008 and 2009
I agree that Michigan didn't
I agree that Michigan didn't really deserve to win. The coaching decisions were the worst in any game this season in my opinion.
Whammy!
Foul.
Enough said.
You Get Nothing MSU. You Lose, Good Day Sir!
Glenn robinson has been
Glenn robinson has been useless
If you don't like Michigan you are a peasant
We have legit losses.
We have legit losses. Probably the 3 best in the country...wouldn't surprise me if we were still ranked in the top 3 come Monday.
With the way the top
5 has played this week, I can see your point.
2013 will be the year.
The refs sucked and Wisconsin
The refs sucked and Wisconsin got a lucky 3. Did anybody not see Stauskas getting hammered?
903 wins most in college football
Put
The ball to your chin stauskas and that doesn't happen, pretty simple.
Denard Robinson......They're not going to catch him!
I saw Stauskas not chin that
I saw Stauskas not chin that ball and allow it to get knocked out cleanly. That's just me though.
CoE Class of 2007
Ugh, now I have to go to work and think about this.
Also, Michigan's good, but down the stretch, they play like the extremely inexperienced team they are. Not boxing out, missing layups, etc. Very frustrating to watch.
At least you don't live in
At least you don't live in Madison and have to smile at the "Ann Arbor is a whore" comments ad nauseum. Or maybe you do. If so, we should have a drink together.
how many gimme layups did we
how many gimme layups did we miss. flat out choke job.
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Michigan = NBA Family U
Unfuckingbelievable
.
if it takes dogshit like that
if it takes dogshit like that to beat us, then im actually not too angry. you know, cuz that half court shot isnt goin in again.
This is home...
It already happened multiple times
Under Johnny B. Sick of watching that happen when common sense doesn't come to the forefront.
You Get Nothing MSU. You Lose, Good Day Sir!
As bad as we played, it
As bad as we played, it wasn't that shot that killed us. It was the missed layups and the not fouling at the end of regulation. So frustrating, we have the talent to dominate that Wisconsin team.
and our "talent" didn't do
and our "talent" didn't do fuckin shit from what i saw
That is all.
Michigan's offensive style requires more players that have greater interactions with the Higgs field.