After the abrupt resignation upon the teams return from the Rose Bowl, here's a little more detail that came up this morning with regard to "the rest of the story."
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/report-alleges-uw-athletic-official-grabbed-crotch-15435606
Quite interesting how the UW AD originally went the route of making sure everyone knew behaviors that wouldn't be tolerated, and even then, there was a bit of an effort to "keep it in-house."
I MISS LARRY EUSTACHY
Eustachy
When did he try to get in the panties of any "hot" girls? From the photos I saw, Larry liked chubby 5's chugging Pabst.
That's why I love the guy.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
"look at your feet"
dood... he was at KU (or KSU?)... I mean, he wasn't exactly in Gainesville... he had to work with the talent around him, so to speak. Refering to his basketball team, 'natch. Wink wink.
Ah, the good old days.
Unfortunately, in a world of increasing social media it's becoming more difficult to keep skeletons in the closet. And, of course, homosexuality & football is probably a bigger issue than anybody wants to admit. I doubt fans, writers, players, coaches, etc. will ever have the collective maturity to deal with it. Certainly, more scandals ahead.
At any rate, let's blame the BCS for this mess!
An adult inappropriately
An adult inappropriately touched another adult. We don't need a damn update everytime this happens.
At least you beat the other thread by being first, so you can put that in your pocket.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
Thanks
And you didn't find it unusual in the current climate that the admin there at UW tried to spell it out extremely clearly what was inappropriate, and that the AD still tried to "handle things internally first?"
Your insight and commentary are always appreciated.
Larry
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV
I find...
An adult inappropriately touched another adult. Whether that adult victim would like to press charges against the adult offender is up to him and him alone. Much different than a child abuse case where it is the role of others to protect those that cannot protect themselves.
The public's opinion should matter zero in this case. I don't think we should even be discussing it on MGoBlog, since you want my frank opinion.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
BTW
BTW:
"Whether that adult victim would like to press charges against the adult offender is up to him and him alone."
Is not flamebait. It is the law.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
The structure of a poor argument
Statement X is factually correct, therefore my use of X to argue for Y is valid.
Yes, it's true that it's the responsibility of adult assault victims to press charges against their offenders. It does not, however, follow that discussions of the firing of a prominent official overseeing a Big Ten football team are necessarily improper, nor does it mean that repeated arguments for the topic's impropriety aren't really annoying.
OTOH
You may not have seen the original thread by our esteemed media gadfly, Section 1, regarding this abrupt resignation a couple weeks ago. I thought a little follow-up and closure would be appropriate.
(Wasn't really asking for your frank opinion, but that's OK.)
Larry
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV
You...
You said "your insight and commentary are always appreciated", so I apologize for responding to your empty gesture.
I did see Section 1's original thread about this. Key word original. It's the same place I'd look if I wanted an update on the situation.
Also keep in mind me hating this thread does not equate to me hating you.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
NP
I'll make sure to use my /s in the future.
To me, when a follow-up opp presents itself, from something a couple/few weeks ago, I don't feel it's inappropriate to start a new thread. (And consider that the Drupal doesn't work like Jelsoft blogs, updated threads don't automatically bubble up to the top of the queue. I know, beginning to read like that cartoon of the guy not coming to bed because someone on the internet needs to get my valuable insight and opinion.) Like I said before, this thread offers closure to the original Section 1 post...and a couple thoughts about how it played out at the AD and overall UW admins.
Larry
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV
Please do
Please do use /s so you can't retroactively claim sarcasm when we're actually debating something and you aren't being sarcastic.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
Seriously?
I don't buy this logic. Is there only one Armani Reeves thread? Joe Paterno? Sandusky? How about we just have one thread to discuss Michigan basketball?
If breaking news or important updates arise, a new thread is warranted. There are two Mike Martin threads on the first page of the MGoBoard right now. Will the "original" Mike Martin thread please stand up?
This is MICHIGAN
Re: My consistency.
I did indeed post about this story before it hit any national news, when a faculty friend at UW Madison tipped me off. It is a Big Ten football story. Not off topic in the off season. Nobody at the time criticized me for it being off topic.
And, as far as the debate over tangential Rodriguez threads, I am consistent (with Magnus, and with a lot of other Board members); those threads could easily be left alone, and a lot of people here might want that news (I do), and it was a minor freakout-fit on the part of the anti-RR fanatics. I think the mods made a big mistake by elevating the argument.
Chadima = not OT in the offseason.
Rodriguez getting a national-name (Griffey) recruit = not OT in the offseason.
See how that works? I would not criticize this thread; not at all. And obviously I did not criticize the Rodriguez/Griffey/recruit thread. I am consistent. I do criticize the purging reaction to that RR thread. But my job is easier than the MGoModerators.
I think you're blowing the
I think you're blowing the "handle things internally" way out of proportion.
Timeline:
12/30-31: Assault occurs. Student notifies superiors
1/3: All parties return to Madison from Rose Bowl.
1/4: "Unidentified parties," presumably the above superiors, contact university police. University police meet with them, tell them they will inform dean of students and emphasize need to act promptly. Superiors also contact AD's human relations director. She asks them to wait on contacting dean until she can talk to university lawyer.
1/6: Human relations director meets with lawyers. Told to stop any AD investigation. Matter kicked up to chancellor's office. Chancellor and Alvarez quickly decide to place Chadima on administrative leave (with, I suspect, strong hints he will be fired after a proper investigation) and he resigns.
That's 2 days between the AD being informed and Chadima's resignation (and a week between assault and resignation), during which time the university's various bureaucracies - AD, university police, chancellor's office - are talking with each other, trying to figure out the proper manner in which to proceed. That seems more a marvel of bureaucratic efficiency than sweeping things under the rug.
Different POV
Yeah, that's definitely a possibility. Thanks for expressing it, and your conclusion makes sense.
Larry
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV
Internet tough guy, look out!
damn
IF
If giving my opinion is being a tough guy, mea culpa.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
No kidding. I call this,
No kidding. I call this, "Friday night".
Several questions for you
The student then said Chadima reached over and removed the student's belt, putting his hands inside the student's pants and touching his genitals.
I have several questions for you, Hardware Sushi. These are honest questions, with no snark implied.
To sum up, from my perspective your statement, "An adult inappropriately touched another adult" minimizes and obscures the severity of Chadima's action. And I think it is entirely appropriate for something like this to be posted at mgoblog.
"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi
all good points
I would add to the second one that the student was an AD employee and Chadima made a threat to fire him.
Eating is murder.
PSU
All that PSU coverage and yet the Wisconsin Athletic Department still feels it has the right to ask the police to wait on their investigation while they alert some people. Oh boy.
I don't read the ABC story as
I don't read the ABC story as the AD asking the police to wait on the investigation, rather on going to the Dean of Students. And the people they alerted were the university counsel and the chancellor.
One factor here may be confusion over the proper procedure to follow in an assault not at the university, which is the Dean's purview, but on a AD trip. Regardless, from a results standpoint, the resolution was quick and definitive.
I like how he claims it's not
I like how he claims it's not his normal "lifestyle." Maybe he had his beer goggles on backwards.
That caught my attention too...
An odd thing to say, if nothing else.
Also, I obviously don't know what happened, but it's never good to go with the defense of "I didn't do it, but the booze made me do it."
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
I can't imagine a good
I can't imagine a good defense in this guy's case.
Or mirrored-on-the-inside-goggles
A la Narcissus?
Larry
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV
Damn.
Publically outed AND
Damn.
Publically outed AND fired. Now that's a bad day.
Is that thing that all the
Is that thing that all the Wisconsinites were freaking out about 2-3 weeks ago where everyone was flying back from vacations and panicking?
Note to gay men. Don't hit
Note to gay men. Don't hit on men that aren't gay!
GO BLUE!
More importantly
Don't try to use your employment status to try to coerce anyone, gay or straight, into having sex with you.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
"Hit on" != "Grab Crotch"
"Hit on" != "Grab Crotch"
That's just like your opinion man...
funny
the "I will take full responsibility for actions" line comes right after saying alcohol had consumed his life for the past few months.
If nothing else, this is
If nothing else, this is another bad piece of publicity for the B1G. Tressel, Sandusky and now this. Probably not the greatest of times to dump on the SEC..
For some reason the whole
For some reason the whole concept of high-level football coaches and homosexual assault strikes me as incredibly counterintuitive.
I understand, but...
Being a football coach doesn't have anything to do with being gay or straight. And if you're talking about Sandusky, he's (apparently) not even gay. He's (apparently) a pedophile who is attracted to boys, which is different.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
This is sexual harasment and not even close to Sanduski
So the guy made an unwanted pass, this is a bad thing to do but doesn't get close to the level of the others. Women deal with this all the time in the work place and while a serious issue this is no worse than what woman have delt with for ever. Any company in the States would handle this the same way if they didn't want to get sued by the accuser or the accused. On a side and unimportant note, when did 70% of this site become about what should or shouldn't be said and how it is on or off topic?
Unwanted Pass?
Unwanted Pass? Man, am I out of touch. Forget about the gender issue.
The student then said Chadima reached over and removed the student's belt, putting his hands inside the student's pants and touching his genitals.
In my day, you didn't usually make a pass by putting your hands inside someone's pants and touching their genitals. That wasn't merely an unwanted pass, or sexual harassment. That was assault. Have things changed that much? Is that the nature of a homosexual pass? Frankly, I don't know the answer, but it seems to me to go far beyond what I would call an "unwanted pass."
"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi
OK ... some pervert tries to touch my belt ...
and the beat-down would begin. If this student let the "guy" take off his belt ... then WTF did he think was coming next? Some pretty stupid people up there in Madison.
Go Blue!
No place on earth I'd rather be on a football Saturday than Michigan Stadium !
Regarding Stupid People In Wisconsin
Please check out: www.notsopuremichigan.com The Wisonsin Ohio bit.
I guess they truly are all retarded over there.
Publicly Outed and Fired on the Same Day?
Holy shit! How does one broach that subject with Mrs.Chadima?
Read about it here too:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/25/sport/wisconsin-sex-misconduct/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
This is starting to make me nostalgic. Sandusky, Fine, Chadima. I long for the days where the scandals were about coaches trying to get in panties of some hot sorority girls.