There has been a lot of wingless helmet talk, but I haven't got an answer on how Tate had wings on his helmet the 1st couple days of practice, then they disappeared in the BTN photo and that is supposed to mean he needs to earn them for not getting his work done in the offseason. If this is the case then shouldn't they have been gone from day 1?
The Wingless Helmets?
Could it simply be that he was using a different helmet that day?
The media would never blow something out of proportion from a UM practice.
No, not the media.
You could add "the MGoBoard" to the "media" as well. Everyone has blown this out of any sense of proportion or relevance.
Maybe he had the winged helmet on for video shoots, but when the cameras go away, the blue one went on. Maybe BTN saw something they shouldn't have ...
I don't think it's necessarily this complex a situation. Maybe Tate was trying out a new helmet and the plain model was what was on hand. Maybe that was just a random helmet on the sideline near where Tate took a knee. Relax and wait until September 4th. At that point we should have a pretty good idea of the QB situation.
What time September 4th? When Game Day goes on the air? Before the 12 o'clock games kick-off? When ABC 'comes to you live from Ann Arbor'? When the team charges through the tunnel? When the permanent captains are joined by the weekly captains (Tate? Denard? DG?)? Or, alas...when the starting QB settles in under center?
What I do know is that if Tate doesn't have wings by the time my tailgate runs out of wings it will be worth talking about.
Maybe he was really underperforming the first few days and RR realized it was due to a lack of summer work ethic. As a result, he took away the wings.
I just had a severe case of deja vu.
I am already expecting the announcers for the first 5 games of the season to talk about the offseason "controversy" about how T-Wolf called out Tate, and how practice photos "surfaced" showing Tate with a wingless helmet. This will be mentioned EVERY single game (much like Denard's famous shoelaces), because the commentators need to fill air and don't have anything of real substance to report.
EDIT: Wichitan said it quicklier and brief-er-li-er
Since we don't have confirmation that the wingless helmets mean anything. The coaching staff told BTN not to be concerned with it
But if continued rumor mongering is what internets are for... the taking of wings cannot be tied to lack of participation in summer workouts. Those are voluntary. They certainly could be tied to lack of preparation, i.e. you didn't come to camp in football shape and ready to compete/win.
This would take at least several days to discern, hence the delay
I'm guessing this is RichRod's way of slowly rolling out our new look for 2011 - hideous maize jerseys and wingless helmets. He's a foul-mouthed hick who doesn't care about Michigan traditions at all, anyway.
Also, I think that the number 1 jersey will henceforth be reserved for backup kickers.
Or, this is meaningless, and no one has thought it was important to a sticker on a helmet when it is just going to be repainted and restickered before the first game.
One or the other.
It's kind of hard to figure out what you're trying to say in your incoherent ramblings, but if you're saying the wings are a sticker, this is simply untrue.
The first suggestion was sarcasm. The second was based upon my belief and understanding that the winges were simply stickered on. It appears from other comments below, referencing an MVictors article, that they are in fact painted on, so my understanding was incorrect.
that Brian debuted the new points system (which sucks btw and is already being redone) a few days before your gem of a comment here. A month ago, a massive negbang would have been inevitable.
You are an actual Michigan fan and you thought the wings were stickers??? Have you even been watching the Countdown to Kickoff videos?
Did you also think Jake Long's tatoos were fake?
I actually couldn't care less about MGoPoints, and think that whether or not I thought the helmets were stickered is a poor measure of anyone's fandom. Someone I trust told me that - they were wrong. My eyesight sucks, so I certainly haven't been able to tell one way or another from watching the games. Is this really a big deal?
If you pause at 0:02 , 0:33 and 2:15 in todays countdown to kickoff video, you see players with RED jerseys and solid blue helmets.
If you freeze at 30 seconds and look at the background, I'm 99% sure that is Forcier in both a red jersey and the solid blue helmet. He's not the only guy there in a red jersey either.
I'm pretty sure red jersey, like the red-numbered jerseys at the spring game, mean, "no contact."
I think I saw someone in the background with a dark green jersey and plain helmet too, far off on the sideline, at about 2:05
Until I hear or see more solid evidence that this is some sort of punishment, I'm firmly in the camp of "the wingless helmet" thing is overblown.
i noted earlier that when someone gave a list of the "four people" with non-winged helmets, the only unifying fact of all of them (austin white, a freshman who couldn't have "failed to meet summer expectations") was that they were 5'10"-6'1" aka short(er) and around 180-190 lbs. in my e-pinion these would also be the players with the smallest heads. thus if there was a problem with getting the proper sized helmets in, the people with the same head size would be in the lurch. given TF may be hurt/no contact and thus not getting much use out of his helmet, it would make sense he would get one of the crappiest.
also in my e-pinion no way does RR throw out something as bold as "earn his wings," take his wings and then flat out tell the BTN "don't read into it." for someone who is presently hating the scrutiny and gossip level convo surrounding the program, to serve something up so explicitly and then give the impression of chaos without structure (no official comment) would be... asinine.
I had kind of discounted it as Tate had to get a new helmet and it hadn't been designed yet and the uninformed ran wild, but listening to Sam Webb today he made it seem like he knew that was a punishment. Usually Sam errs on the side on caution on such things if he doesn't know so I thought it may have had some legs. He made it seem there were numerous guys without wings.
Seems too coincidental that the players with blue helmets were also wearing red jerseys.
has greatly slowed down since Coach Rodriguez changed the policy. It seems that as of this weekend, it now costs a player one of his own wings to remove the wings of another. In the case of Tate's helmet, there may have been a mass attack enacted by the other players, otherwise known as a wing-bang. This may or may not have prompted the coaching staff to change the policy, and most players have since been reluctant remove someone's wings at the cost of their own. Still, some players, such as MGoShoe and Blazefire, have over 20,000 wings on their helmets and can afford to be more aggressive with them. The entire process continues to stabilize.
I'd give you one MGoPoint, but I am on a budget until the end of the month.
Nowhere moreso than radio, on a slow-news Friday.
And, the notion of "taking away wings" has a kind of a ring to it, doesn't it? Like a court-martial in some western U.S. Cavalry outpost in the 1870's, right?
Literally, it is untrue insofar as Tate has a helmet that is properly painted in maize and blue, as well as, clearly, an all-navy blue helmet. There is no helmet with anything "taken away."
Multiple people have reported (and of course this part got almost NO play on the radio) that there were about half-dozen guys with navy helmets. With "their wings taken away," to quote a hysterical and technically inaccurate phrase. The half-dozen guys includes an unlikely collection, including not only Tate but freshman Austin White(?!)
There were pictures of Tate in both a standard helmet, while playing in a contact scrimmage, and a "wingless" helmet, while not in a contact situation. That tells me that his real helmet is the one that is carefully fitted for him, and he must wear it in a contact drill, and that the other one is for some cosmetic/shaming purpose. But does anybody know, and is anybody saying? And if so, is it at all significant? Apparently "no" is the answer to all of the above.
I had speculated on a large number of plausible atlernative explanations. Injury protection, as with red shirts, red numbers, or black shirts. Player identification from high up on the Skyjack platforms, for coaching and filming purposes. Equipment testing, for guys who might want to try out different prototype helmets.
But in the end, this story is all about the reporting of the story. And how the media, especially the local media, is on a hair-trigger alert for anything relating to "controversy" or "conflict" in the regime of Rich Rodriguez. The best and purest example of that were the talk-radio callers, who were completely freaking out over this story. They've all been conditioned to take any story about Michigan and translate it into a murder mystery, featuring Rich Rodriguez as the villain.
sent a few blue helmets this year.
The helmets normally come in yellow (a.k.a. "Green Bay Gold") and are painted to maize and blue. See MVictors on this process. Having yellow underneath the maize means dings in the maize don't show, while dings in the blue are yellow. This is preferred to the other way around.
I asked Hawkins if he ever shipped all navy helmets to Michigan, that is, helmets without wings. Answer? Nope. He did say that Schutt sent over 3 all navy helmets this year and that this was an oddity. They painted the wings directly onto the navy and shipped them up to Michigan.
Seems like a small number of all-navy helmets made it to Michigan without being painted. I wouldn't read much into that -- presumably it costs money to paint them, so it could just be that there's no sense in painting them if they aren't going to be used for games.
comfortable to many players. Tate certainly comes from a football family (and followed his own drummer and doctor for his torn labrum.) I wouldn't doubt that he might prefer the DNA fit and technology. The DNA (the Schutt line) and Revolution (the Riddell) are the standards for safety at the moment (though there are many other brands and technologies out there.)
I wonder if M is experimenting with new helmet designs wrt concussion issues/research that has come out. I think there is a massive culture change going on under the surface at all levels to get the best equipment and procedures to prevent life limiting injury. Mich uses the revolution for some positions at least - (it looks like that in some photos).
I heard some hearsay from coaches at the NFL and HS level the key to preventing these injuries is to hold the kids out as soon as possible, and not encouraging any player to take one for the team. Secondary hits are what really causes the long term injury. This is going to be a long battle given the nature of the game and culture as it stands.
Wings would seem to be a final line of defense (/sarcasm.) We need to get these painted pronto. I doubt wings are being used to motivate - IMO only.
It could be Schutt is field-testing some new designs, which may be very similar to the old designs -- thus the need to differentiate them by sending them in blue and not having them painted. We know Tate uses Schutt, so I could see him wanting to try one of the new ones...
...that Tate needs to quickly show marked improvement, or they will make him play in the scrimmage in a vintage helmet: