Title says it all:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/11/17/risers-...
I also noted that one of Northwestern's Gs was a draft riser. That tells me that either Tony Pauline didn't watch last week's game, or it says very good things about our DTs.
Awesome
Not to mention some good
Not to mention some good coaching!
was campbell redshirted; should
he have been?
No
He wasn't redshirted, http://mgoblog.com/content/michigan-depth-chart-class-0
I don't remember him playing his freshman year, but our defense was horribe that year and I can't really be mad at coaches seeing if the athletic 6'5", 300 lb freshman can get in there and give you a spark.
"Slappin' the Bass" - Matt Vogrich (maybe)
Wasted Year
BWC was mostly used as a blocker on the field goal and extra point teams as a freshman - either zero on defense or very, very little.
jbibiza
Iowa
Not sure what he did before and don't think he played much after, but they tried him quite a bit in the Iowa game. Not sure what if anything was seen in practice to justify putting him in, but in the game he got pretty much destroyed.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
in the game he got pretty much destroyed.
Are you referring to Pipkins this season or WC in a previous season?
BWC
In 2009 Iowa pushed him around big time. Pipkins has played pretty well as far as I can tell. I also think Richard Ash has been banged up and that pushed Ondre farther up the depth chart than he may have been otherwise.
Like you, I hate to see the redshirts burned but at least Pee Wee is making more of a contribution than guys like BWC, Gabe Watson, Terrance Taylor, and Stevie Brown did as freshmen.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
If he stops the running game
If he stops the running game next week I'll buy the Jaguars and draft him #1 myself.
Damn you, gratuitous burned
Damn you, gratuitous burned redshirt!
Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.
Dear
Dear Evenyoubrutus:
"Gratuitous burned redshirt" you say? I think not. Every play matters in each and every year. And even if an entire year of potenial elgibility is lost for a 5 Star QB over something as trivial and meaningless as say.....teaching a back up QB a lesson about practice habits by putting someone in a game for about five plays...then I say it's WORTH IT!
Best Regards,
Rich
Yeah, Tate really learned his
Yeah, Tate really learned his lesson.
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
Ok I was talking Will
Ok I was talking Will Campbell but whatever.
Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.
Good News Really...
Part of the story of the revitalization and reinvention of Michigan's defensive front under Mattison, Montgomery and Hoke has been the story of the resurgence of Will Campbell. He's having his best year this year with more tackles than anyone in the front four, and as Pauline notes, he was integral to holding the Hawkeyes to all of 121 yards rushing yesterday. Hearing that he is on the draft radar is definitely a great sign for him and hopefully he does get his shot.
"Funny isn't it, how naughty dentists always make that one fatal mistake."
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Burning WC's redshirt for a handful of ST plays was idiotic
I also wish that Pipkins hadn't played this year; the value of his playing time so far is greatly outweighed by the value of an additional year he could have had.
I'll never understand why HCs make some of the RS decisions they do, and this goes back at least as far as Lloyd Carr.
Hard to say that. Pipkins had
Hard to say that. Pipkins had played pretty well, and it's hard to say how well the dline would have done if he wasn't giving guys a rest.
Not to mention 3 years from
Not to mention 3 years from now I don't Michigan looking behind the 2 deep on the defensive line and seeing a huge cliff.
Also
That real game experience is invaluable. It's not like he's only seen a few garbage snaps.
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NFL Draft
I'm not able to start a thread yet, but I'm interested to hear where everyone predicts our guys will get drafted.
*Lewan - 10-25
Denard - 2nd/3rd as an athlete.
Demens - 5th/6th - I don't know much about scouting, but I think he's a good throwback LB and I'm a homer.
Campbell - 5th/6th -- Could be even higher with a good combine. He's my pick to "overachieve"' in the NFL relative to his college days. Still a great athlete with size, putting together good film finally. Has gotten coached up this year. I think he's finally ready to deliver
Roh - 6th/7th - I think he'll end up making a roster.
Roundtree - Undrafted; but I won't be surprised if he made a practice squad. Still a great blocker and could fit in the slot somehwere.
Floyd - Undrafted; speed hurts him, but I won't count him out after seeing him improve over the last 4 years
Kovacs - Undrafted; Camps but can't stick
Omameh, Mealer, Barnum - Undrafted; all camp. Barnum with the best chance to stick. All of them very successful outside of football
So, yeah. I think we'll have a good crop of guys drafted but it'll be later. I think most will go to camp and impress with their fundamentals and coaches will notice. Even if the undrafted guys don't stick, it'll help put Michigan prospects back on the coaches/GMs radars.
Twin Cities
Agree,
But WC, Demens, and Roh could all go further down, depending on the kids declaring early.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
What could have been with 4
What could have been with 4 years under Hoke, Mattison and Montgomery. Would have probably been 3 years as he'd most likely left early with that size and athleticism. I think he'll be a decent pro if he works hard like he did this offseason.
I won't argue that he would
I won't argue that he would have been better with Hoke and Co., but I think most of the problem with BWC was with himself and not coaching. He's admitted more than once that he was lazy and didn't work hard in his first couple years and I think that was most of the problem. Maybe Hoke beats him into shape and gets him to work hard but it seems like this was more a case of the 5* coming in and thinking he would dominate from day 1 without working at it. Now that he's fully dedicated it's exciting to watch him play.
so that means he shouldn't try?
lazy is bad at any position. he was pretty well regarded as a good OL prospect, so flipping someone like that isn't outrageous after a disappointing start on D.
There's good reason to rip
There's good reason to rip our former Coaching staff, especially on defense, but they aren't totally to blame for Campbell. Brandon Graham had basically the same staff, but he had a huge work ethic and played himself into being a 1st-Round pick
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
Redshirts...
In some cases (see Pipkins) I'm not sure that "burning the redshirt" is a bad idea at all. He's an extremely smart kid who will probably recieve his degree in four years; an incredible athlete who'll probably be a mid to low-round pick after 4 years, and there's not enough depth to keep him off the field. My guess is that if he was redshirted he may very well see 3 years on the field before heading off the the NFL with his degree, anyway. Much like Taylor Lewan will likely do.
In the case of players who are more "development" cases athletically and/or academically it makes sense to redshirt as long as the depth at their position allows for it...
The RR coaching staff may have believed BWC to be the kind of player who would be gone in 4 years regardless. Without his change in work ethic over the last couple of years I would be one to disagree, but it's always hard to tell... Now it definitely looks like he could've benefitted from an extra year. As is he'll be a sort-of 'finge' draft prospect... and the draft is highly unpredicable. Regardless of player's talent levels teams must take care of their needs first, and talented players can clog up certain positions in a given year. They always need more linemen though. NFL = Not For Long. Espectially for guys in the trenches.
Still it's nice to hear that the big man's hard work is starting to show signs of paying off in life and not just on the field for Michigan. He clearly has elite potential and he's just starting to really furfill it. I could certainly see BWC as one of those guys who outshines their college careers in the NFL.
I'm just happy for BWC
I gotta wonder just how lazy he really was in the context of a system run by a coach who doesn't give defense any mind. Maybe BWC was overhyped and came in with an attitude. But maybe he wasn't developed well. On a football team as in any organization people aren't "lazy" just by themselves. People also get lazy when the system is lousy, it's a reflection of demoralization. In his case, they moved Campbell around like a yo-yo. I have to think that his improvement this year has something to do with how he is being coached, in a system where there is enthusiasm and buy-in, and that his failures were not simply due to whatever was going on in his mind as if he were an individual somehow apart from everything happening around him.
I hope he makes it, and that his making it will be one more step to making it possible for the rest of us to forget about 2008-2010 and think of that time no more.
Gasp. Hold breath. Turn Blue!
I love me some Big Will.
I love me some Big Will.
That's great (for our Dline and for him)...Perfect example of sometimes, even when the talent is there, the light just takes a while to come on for a player.
"Slappin' the Bass" - Matt Vogrich (maybe)