I still hate the thought of hitting freep links.
Oh, and I love these coaches.
I still hate the thought of hitting freep links.
Oh, and I love these coaches.
I still hate the thought of hitting freep links.
Too bad that BWC agreed to speak to Mark Snyder. He could have done an interview with any other writer.
Wait, Greg Robinson didn't teach him that stuff?
I remember when i first learned about the beaver... And not the TV show if you know what I mean!!!
I still hate thinking RR played him on extra points his freshman year and blew his redshirt.
You really can't blame him, it gave us the best chance to win.
Apparently I'm in a Rich Rod hating mood today. Someone keep Section 1 away from me.
Oh, knock it off. He was a great big help when he got five snaps on defense!
I especially liked it when Rodriguez put Campbell on the offensive line. That really seemed to be advantageous...
Perhaps, but he doesn't mention it. And considering how he and others have talked about the upgrade in coaching, I doubt playing OL had anything to do with it.
Coach Rod didn't put Will ANYWHERE. I know Will, and he ASKED Coach Rod if he could be switched over to the offensive line so he'd have a better chance at playing time.
Ultimately, it's the coach's decision. Rodriguez could have said no. He didn't. Smarter and better coaches arrived. They put him at defensive tackle. No matter how you spin it, it was a poor move by Rodriguez.
Magnus, because you are a smart football coach, I am dedicating this old Russian proverb to you.
Now I had no idea, that they played college football in Russia, way back during the era of the Tsars. That just surprised the hell out of me. But this important old Russian proverb about football coaches was handed down through the generations.
There was a wise old football coach, who had done pretty well for his school but in his last year, he had survived an investigation by the RCAA (Russian Collegiate Athletic Association) and the commissars were widely rumored to be considering putting him up to a firing squad. The editors of the local newspaper, "Pravda," hated him. Then, he lost a bowl game by a score of 52-14. And so he was disappeared.
When the new coach was brought into the head coach's office at Schembechlevsky Hall, there was a note on the desk. It was from the old coach. The note read, "Good luck, comrade coach. This is not an easy job. You will find yourself in trouble at some point. When you do, I have left instructions, in the bottom drawer. There are two envelopes, marked ONE and TWO. Open the envelope marked ONE the first time you find yourself in trouble. After that, if you are in trouble again, you should open the second envelope. Прощай! (Farewell!)
And so the new coach went to work. He found out that the old team wasn't so bad after all and in his first year, the new coach went 11-2.
But in the second year, the team lost to all of its major rivals except for one, which they were very fortunate to beat on a last-second field goal. Still, they began the year the same way that they began it; getting mauled by a team from the hated SEC (South Estonian Conference).
This was trouble. Back at Schembechlevsky Hall, the new coach opened the bottom drawer and pulled out the envelope marked ONE. He opened it and and read the note inside. The note said, "BLAME YOUR PREDECESSOR." And so the new coach went about the business of coaching and recruiting, and saw to it that all of the blame for the previous failure(s) were placed on his predecessor.
It worked, for a while. But Russian football is a tough business. And when the team failed to get back to a BCS (Beluga Caviar Series) Bowl game, the commissars were rumored to be looking for the new coach. The coach thought about his predicament and decided he just had to look for the second envelope.
He reached into the bottom drawer and pulled it out. He opened it up and read the note. The note said, "PREPARE TWO ENVELOPES."
Did Hoke blame Rich? I dont think I saw that, please enlighten me if he has. Second, did we get killed in the bowl game against SC?
They didn't actually play collegiate football back in the era of the Tsars. And there is no Schembechlevsky Hall. I made it up. Sorry. kthnxbye.
Can I ask you on the board and his dudeness, guys I respected tremendously, why is liking Hoke and Rich mutually exclusive? Why cant you like both. I like Rich and Hoke. I thought maybe Hoke had said something bad about Rich, and I missed it. As far as I know Hoke has done nothing but praise Rich and his coaches.
When have I ever written anything negative about Hoke? Find it. Quote me. The proverb has nothing to do with Hoke, comrade. You'll need to do the assigned reading all over again. But you do get extra credit for the true, accurate and significant observation that Hoke has never badmouthed Rodriguez. If only the MGoBoard could follow Coach Hoke's lead.
Find something, you are too smart to openly put it in writing. But honestly say to yourself, all the implications and innuendos that have been made, if you like Hoke as much as Rich, and I will say I am wrong.
If the proverb has nothing to do with Hoke, why bother responding.
dislikes Hoke. You are reading too much into the comments from those that defend RR.
There are some of us who think that RR could have succeeded if he had full support from everyone associated with U of M - staff, ex players, fans - from the beginning..... if he were able to bring Casteel with him..... if coaches at other schools couldn't use the prominent rumors of his imminent departure as an agressive negative recruiting tool.....
None of that has to do with disliking Hoke and no one is advocating for RR's return but, IMO, the animosity towards him is extremely short sighted and the vitriol is unwarranted. The guy gave his all. Yeah, he often lost in spectacular fashion, but I'm pretty certain that every loss ate at him more than any of us.
Final thought..... Can you imagine if Beilein would have been ran out of town after his disastrous third year?
You dont have to tell me. I like Rich and thought he should have gotten an extra year. Maybe you are right, I am reading too much into it. But when Section 1 writes off topic thing about Russia. He is way too smart to be going off on a tangent.
was just trying to make a joke.... and not an affidavit.
It may have been a bad joke... but it was just a joke.
Well your "old coach" is clearly a veiled attempt of describing your favorite coach Rich Rod based on your version of history. And other than the fact that your "new coach" that followed the "old coach" could only be Hoke, I'd have to agree that your description of the "new coach" is nothing like Hoke and so it's clearly not a reference to Hoke. I'll give you that.
You did miss envelope three in your proverb though. It's the envelope that the "old coach" opened up after he left and it says: "If your old team is successful after you leave, take the credit for their success."
Oh snap! MGo Getting it in! I think RR needs you on defense, you seem to be the best defender he's ever recruited!
I think Jerry knew that Hoke and Mattison were the guys handling DL. He was a great recruiter, so he leveraged what he could out of the OU job. He can handle the DL and recruit. Cant fault him for thinking about himself. I wish him luck.
Mone is a great start in recruiting for the DL Malik McDowell is critical to add. Could we also get Da'Shawn Hand and Sam Mustipher? (Would there even be room for Lawrence Marshall??)
I am hoping that between Hoke and Mattison, we will see a number one position group at the DL. They are truly building from the trenches. As the lines get better and better, this has to help in recruiting all the other position groups.
Urban Meyer has had some success at the DL, and puts focus there. I'm glad that this is also key for Hoke. I generally believe that losing Montgomery won't make a huge difference in recruiting, but I definitely hope our head coach and Def. Coord. close the deal with Malik and at least one other solid prospect on the DL.
It makes you think how Hoke and Mattison didnt get any more high profile recruits prior, such as the group that OSU put together. I think what is more important is intangibiles. Dont get me wrong, I like Wormley, Strobel and Godin. But it seems these guys see something that the analyst have not. Pipkins and Poggi were the high profile recruits.
Hand will be a huge fight, think our chances are 20%, probably higher. I like McDowell, and I hope we get him. Mustipher will be tough also. I think this is one area where we trust the coaches, as much as I hate that term. Clark has been a pleasant surprise. I wonder if they are going to get a DL coach or look for someone on offense. Jerry was important, and was an excellent recruiter who did most of the leg work.
really? because 24/7 had wormley as the #4 SDE in the nation
Maybe I am wrong, but Wormley wasnt hype up as much as the OSU guys are. Rivals, maybe wrong, rated him a 3 star.
For what it's worth, the guy who rates all the prospects in ohio (can't think of his name) had him really high, maybe #1 in the state.
Fair enough, its all hype anyway, I think Wormley will be our best DL when he heels up.
I'm sure BWC will get picked up as an undrafter free-agent (if not drafted in the 6/7th round). Hopefully he can apply the stuff Mattison and Hoke taught him.
The fact that Montgomery isn't mentioned has little significance. He was a young DL coach and we always knew Hoke and Mattison ran the show.
At least to me, Campbell's story is one of dramatic turnaround in outlook and attitude towards both himself and the game. He took on a leadership role in his senior season, even leading the film sessions for the defensive line, as I recall, and did everything Hoke and Mattison asked of him essentially. To read this now and see him talking about being motivated, concentrating on the workouts with the goal of impressing scouts at Michigan's Pro Day in March is the culmination of all that. Hopefully, he does get a shot at the next level as a reward for all the work over the past two seasons.
I hope he has learned enough to get taken on day three of the draft, or at the very least make a practice squad. It's unfortunate he didn't have Mattison coaching him for four years, we may have seen an entirely different player by his senior season.
As for the coach Montgomery stuff, let's not turn him into some sort of villain. He was a good coach (well, from what I've read) and an even better recruiter. But he still is a classy man who wanted a change in his career (and presumably more money). Good coaching staffs have turnover, it's part of the game.
Don't think anyone means to villainize him (or most, at least). Hard to imagine a better place for a young defensive line coach to learn his craft than with Hoke & Mattison to mentor him. And can't imagine that with a bit of experience and ambition, he wouldn't want to move on to where he could go solo.
Learn under Hoke & Mattison at UM, then head down to another premier program at Oklahoma and go solo. He did just that, and for someone who is looking to further his career it seems like a great move.
I just thought the addition of "interesting to note that Montgomery wasn't mentioned" was unnecessary. It just seemed like the OP was trying to say "hey guys, see? Montgomery wasn't that important afterall!" I think we should all be thankful for the time he spent with us, wish him the best of the future, and that's that.
I think he could excel in the CFL.
If BWC's career was anything more than a major disappointment.
The only reason it was a disappointment is because of the recruiting sites' hype.
If he were a 3-star or 4-star recruit, you would be pretty satisfied with his career. That's why I think it's important not to get too caught up in recruiting hype. There's a lot more that goes into being a football player than the number of stars on your recruiting profile.
This is a bit misleading. The whole point of recruiting stars/rankings/etc. is to try and quantify a player's potential. When there is disappointment about someone not meeting the recruiting hype, that's just another way of saying someone hasn't met their potential. Especially when it comes to 5-stars. It's not like you can fake your way into being a 5-star, you have to show some sort of elite athleticism or physical tools to get that rating. The rest is work ethic and coaching, and Campbell's issues with both are well documented.
So no, I don't think the only reason Campbell was a disappointment was due to recruiting hype. People are disappointed because of a lack of work ethic and proper coaching in the early part of his career, leaving him far short of his full potential.
Campbell lacks some basic attributes to be a good defensive lineman. If you look back at his high school film, yes, he was big and fairly athletic. But he also struggled to stay low in high school, and he wasn't extremely aggressive. I guess what I'm trying to say is that he was overrated coming out of high school, and that led to some lofty expectations that just weren't realistic. I imagine there's an analyst or two out there who might learn some things about how they rate kids based on Campbell and other players like him.
I think that is a major area of change in focus. I am biased, but after watching some of the interviews at the various all-star games and then comparing that to the players being brought in by this staff, I think that the focus on the total person is going to more than just close the gap in the perceived talent gap in certain groups with many teams to include Ohio State.
I would be interested to compare side-by-side interviews with the top players by position brought in by Michigan compared to the interviews of the same group from the rest of the top 10 recruiting classes just as another way to make a comparision. Yes, physical talent is a key requirement, but having the "smarts" to put that talent into use and absorb the coaching and schemes also is vital to success.
The most physically talented player may have Justin Turner's motivation as an example, or provide priceless gems in every interview ala Terrell Pryor. I think that is one area of marked improvement in these last two classes.
recuriting hype. That's part of the fun.
And besides, under the view you're expressing, you could argue that everyone meets their potential. Maybe BWC was overhyped, maybe not. But there's disappointment regardless.
I think it's pretty clear that he was overhyped.
BWC decided to grow up as a senior, sorta like Brian Griese did. It's really too bad that some people took a classy statement by a kid who is finally "getting it" and used it as an excuse to piss on RR.
RR's been gone for over two years now. Maybe some people could stand to let go of their petty hatred and enjoy the current team. Sorry, but bitching about former coaches is soooo Sparty.
I'm waiting for the story that uses The Music Man to analyze RR's tenure in Ann Arbor. Until then, I don't care how often he's brought in to threads.
Who plays Mayor Shinn?
Rodriguez's coaching and recruiting are relevant to Michigan, whether you like it or not. This year's seniors played at least two years under Rodriguez. He recruited a chunk of the class of 2011, too, so that means the effects are probably going to be felt through 2015. You might as well get used to it.
Besides its all how you frame it you can look at rich rod's positives or negatives its all in how you choose to think.
This could be one of the most constructive and useful comments about discussing Rodriguez that I've read to date. +100
And it's also one of the most grammatically incorrect.
Sure maturation helps, but when BWC cites new, specific examples of coaching technique learned from the current coaches, I'm fine with people wondering why this is new information.
...his comment focused on what he learned from Hoke and Mattison and that he didn't say anything one way or another about the previous coaching regime. Perhaps we should follow his lead.
I love you, and I totally thought this was written by Section 1 at first. =)
Glad to see that BWC is remaining focused and hope he impresses at Pro day. Would be good for the program moving forward to see more guys making NFL rosters.
was an absolutely horrible decision by RR, but it's not like he was the only coach in Michigan history to make a questionable redshirt decision. It goes on all the time throughout college ball. I hope BWC has the opportunity in the NFL to measure up to the potential that so many UM fans thought he had.
that instantly come to mind just from Michigan:
Justin Feagin (bringing a whole other meaning to "burning")
and honestly, Denard.
I don't really see Denard as a wasted redshirt. He was an effective part of the offense in 2009, at least when he was running the ball. There are freshmen who dominate, freshmen who are effective, and freshmen who shouldn't be anywhere near the field. He falls into that middle category.
Obviously, it would be great if EVERY freshman could redshirt and then play for Michigan for five years...but that's just not realistic.
Just because Michigan would have won the games anyway doesn't mean Denard was ineffective. And when you consider that the team went 5-7 and didn't have any great wins that year, it's kind of a moot point. It would have been hard for a lot of quarterbacks - even good ones - to win games with the kind of defense that Michigan had in those years.
And besides that, he was being groomed to be the starter in 2010, which he did fairly effectively. Without game experience in 2009, maybe he doesn't have those record days against UConn and Notre Dame.
Forcier looked like a Heisman contender in the pre-season? Denard played in the first game. Nobody had any clue what Forcier would do, but there were only two viable options - Forcier and Robinson. And it's extremely rare that a team makes it through a season with just one quarterback.
Meanwhile, Michigan had Mike Martin, Ryan Van Bergen, Renaldo Sagesse, Greg Banks, Adam Patterson, and Will Heininger when Campbell was a freshman. Rodriguez couldn't find a way to keep Campbell on the sideline with four viable players (five if you count Heininger) and Patterson potentially playing ahead of him?
what youre saying is that you shouldn't burn any redshirts but you can't redshirt everybody, and the coaches need to know as freshman who is going to peak as a 5th year senior?
He was obviously effective on one play against Western.
He was devastating against Eastern.
He had one great drive against Iowa.
I don't think that was good enough.
I'd much rather have 2013 Denard than the 69 rushes and 14-31 passing Denard we had in 2009. He was not ready to play.
That would've been one less year for Devin Gardner. DRob got 3 years. That's plenty. In this offense, under Borges, I'd want Gardner taking the snaps.
Tate Forcier wasn't ready to play, either. I guess he should have redshirted, too. Hell, I wish the whole team would have redshirted in 2008.
Devin Gardner doesn't get added to that list.
and burning his Redshirt. I should point out that I'm not a #$@%$^%$ head coach either. If we were to follow the trail of crumbs back to the beginning, that might very well have been one of the first warning signs. I have no intention of revisiting it though. Good luck, Will Campbell, and thank you for the knowledge you have passed along to our young stalwarts.
Montgomery's name necessarily means much. It is easy to parse newspaper articles with too fine a filter. I really don't see a need to bring that up.
"Interesting to note that former DL coach Montgomery is not even mentioned."
Seriously? The man leaves UM for a job with 1) higher pay and 2) more responsibility and now we're all going to act like girls with too much makeup and too little clothing, dancing drunkenly at Ricks RIGHT IN JERRY'S FACE so he KNOWS that we're totally OVER him.
The fact that you, OP, mentioned Jerry Montgomery is a lot more revealing than the fact that the article you linked to didn't mention him. Get over it. Don't be that drunk girl at Rick's.
Crazy metaphor, but i agree with the point
Actually, because he used the word "like" or "as", I believe it is a simile.
Jerry Montgomery deserves nothing but our thanks and best of luck moving forward. Remember years ago UM had a defensive line coach leave to take over at Ball State, that has turned out pretty well for us so far.
...may truly be Rich Rodriguez' 2nd biggest screw up. GERG will always be #1.
He truly changed this kid's life with his incompetence off defense and defensive personnel development. Kind of sad when you think about it. He made millions and got away to another university where he makes millions. He very easily could've cost BWC millions by his hire, the redshirt fiasco, and his lack of development when it comes to defensive players.
I'm not a RR hater like many, I don't let this overshadow that he found Kovacs, he made a way for Brock Mealer, he gave us Denard, etc.
But with the good, there's certainly a ton of bad.
admission, some of this is on BWC and his lack of effort.
One of my personal phrases to live by is: it's not what you are, It's what you can become that is most importatnt. Never stop endeavoring to improve yourself.
Best of luck, Will. May you be one of the few who thrives in the NFL, and becomes a champion in everything in life.
You should write for Hallmark.
I do. Nice guess!
I love how Rich Rod's recruits (last year and this year) praise Hoke and his staff when they graduate.
But then again, so should Devin and so should many others. Rich made tons of player personel mistakes in his tenure but I think the biggest part of that was his coaching staff.
Bruce Tall was a DB coach his entire career and was the DLine coach at Michigan....I had read he attended coaching clinics for coaching dline that spring/summer.. 2008... Shafer and Gibby were the 2 db coaches for that 2008 team and Hop the lber coach...a safeties coach his entire career........
Bruce Tall being the dline coach tells you everything you ever needed to know about RR's tenure. He never adapted or changed and defense starts up front just like offense. If the oline performed just like the dline did, that oline coach would have been fired....Rich protected Tall at dline rather then move him to db coach like he should have the moment Shafer was fired...and took the fall.....
For the 49ers. Of Charlotte.
...we had Campbell for one more year.
Yes, we're going to really miss his mediocrity.