Pretty sure Michigan football's still profitable and will be next year. Thanks though.
Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
Pretty sure Michigan football's still profitable and will be next year. Thanks though.
I have a long history here, with rational commentary, and this question was completely legitimate. I, like most people, don't always make the right comment and am not always correct with questions or opinions. But I don't call people out, I've never criticized a player, and I try to respond to people with respect, which I think my other comments on this thread show. But you deserve none of that.
+1 for the Joan Harris pic
The defense has played much better! Offense can move but cannot score. Special teams are a disaster.
You don't get to be the CEO of a major company or the athletic director of one of the country's most storied schools by being a spineless pushover.
Yeah, the alumni and media will throw a fit...but this is Brandon's call, and if he thinks Rodriguez should stay, he will.
While I agree that DB will make the decision / will not be forced to. I also would point out the CEOs make decisions taking major shareholder and board members input with more weight than not.
That's actually a pretty good question. I don't know how much the alumni / fanbase should play into the decision. Let's face it - Brandon would have to do something monumentally stupid to get people to stop supporting their alumni. I don't think refusing to fire a coach that's had a steadily improving record is that kind of decision.
i think i'm grounded in reality and think your reaction is completely reactionary and takes into account absolutely nothing in terms of progress on offense (where we actually have upperclassmen/player development) and what's going on in defense, which is a shmismortion not dissimilar from what it is on similarly young teams.
Wake up people! RR has no clue what these rivalry games are!
I think the one thing we can all agree on is that RR isn't making the decision easy either way
I am an alumnus of University of Michigan, and a relatively wealthy one. I'm not deafening to fire Rich Rodriguez, in fact, I'm email Dave Brandon to voice my support.
Unfortunately, Michigan and Ohio State are no longer on the same level of program, and that isn't Coach Rodriguez's fault. Obviously it is so so so painful to say that, and I don't think there isn't hope that in the next couple of seasons, that we won't be at that level. But we won't be if fire our head coach.
Who's fault is it?
The buck has to stop somewhere.
How in the holy hell is this not Rich Rod's fault?
It is at least partially, if not mostly his fault. You can argue improvement on offense as a reason to keep him.
But three years of worst defenses ever, three years of turnover city, three years of sub par special teams play sputtering offenses in big games later, there is no way that the Head Coach is not responsible.
Whether it's his "fault" that we're mediocre is beside the point. Is he the right guy for the program? If not, you try to find the right guy.
You are right, there is a great divide between UM and OSU right now, especially in the coaching department. It cannot be denied. Jim Tressel has 5 national championships and is one of the best coaches in the country.
Whatever side of the RR fence you fall on in regards to keeping or firing, it's clear that OSU has the better coach, right now.
Brandon didn't get where he is today by being overly reactionary. He'll look at the season as a whole, the bowl game, the returning players, etc. and make a decision. If it was me, I'd give RR one more year and expect 8-9 wins. Despite what movies make people think, most alums don't pull funding because the team loses unless there appears to be little stability. Brandon and RR are on the right page, and I think that will be communicated to the relevant parties.
Eerily, I received my 2011 Victors Club & PSD renewal in the mail today.
I'm wondering how many people don't renew their season tickets next year?
PSD is "preferred seating donation"
No one would have known what PSD was without your help, pathetic as it might have been. Thanks so much. Some of those seats could stand to change hands. The current holders have gotten complacent over the years.
Do not vilify the fanbase that has led the nation in attendance 36 of the last 37 years. Even in a horrible economy, and coming off our worst two-year stretch since the 1960s, we still filled up the largest stadium in the country this year. We have great fans. All they ask for is a reason to have faith in the program. Right now it's becoming very difficult to find any.
regarding RR, but your above comment is dead on (except I would use "increasingly" for "very" in your last sentence).
faith, you have my sympathies.
Turning the word some into the fanbase is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I don't know, I'm on the fire side now. They're not competitive against good teams. Sorry.
firing him is too knee-jerk. it also fails to take into account the reality that, outside of two games, the offense fired on all gears. what's more, the team has never been healthy on defense. i would LOVE to hear how you think this is RR's bed other than the same old "buck stops here" crap.
7 points in 3 quarters vs Iowa
0 points in 2 quarters against Wisconsin, then an explosion, then nothing
7 points in 4 quarters vs tOSU
17 points total against MSU
Plus the Purdue game.
I like RR's offense, but where do you get only 2 games where the offense didn't fire on all cylinders?
seriously. i get that you're pissed and all but to claim this team didn't click in any of those games is a joke. and i was at the Purdue game. God couldn't have moved the ball in that crap.
But the offense sputtered in each of those games, scoring primarily after we'd fallen into a deep hole. So the stats are a bit deceiving. Like most front-running teams, our opponents relaxed a little. We would catch up, then the other team would slam the door. The pattern was pretty damn consistent. Except, in the later games, the whole catch-up thing went out the window, and we hardly scored at all. The offense has great potential, and has great moments, but it's far from great.
I don't think it's that knee jerk. Has Michigan beaten a single team that finished the season ranked? I'm not sure about Wisconsin in 08, but that's it.
The staff hasn't managed it's roster well at all. Sure, some of it's bad luck, but only about 4-5 of the defenders should have started this year. There's two ways to look at that, either feel bad for all the bad luck, or think something is fundamentally wrong with his player management skills. Eventually it's the latter--I just got there a few games sooner.
They aren't competitive, bottom line and I think Rodriguez would agree with me.
Our three Big Ten wins this year were by a combined 20 points. Our five Big Ten losses were by a combined 87 points.
My real issue is from a leadership point of view. I've don't have a real problem with the wins. My problem is that the staff has been unable to develop any semblance of depth on defense or a somewhat competent special teams. James Rogers starting is a perfect example. There needs to be some depth everywhere, not position switches. I've got no info, but all the departures tell me he'll always struggle molding young men here, for whatever reason.
It's easy to get Mike Martin or Troy Woolfolk all in, but convincing an all-world recruit that's struggling to stay the course is hard and I don't know that he can do that.
we were making definite progress in defensive recruiting so i don't understand your post other than fretting
406 points allowed this season. That's 59 more than in 2008 and 76 more than in 2009. They are the three worst totals in Michigan's history.
After signing day, I'd have (and I think most would have) guessed the starting secondary probably would have read something like Woolfolk, Dorsey, Turner, Emelien, and Kovacs. 60% of those players aren't even on the roster. If any one of them leave, I don't really care, but 3 of 5 of his recruits leaving when they're in line to compete for starting spots indicates roster management and character identification issues to me. You can easily explain each of them away and I know each of the purported reasons, but all the departures and never arrived players indicate a larger issue to me.
we're also playing some teams in the Big Ten who are having decades-best performances while playing one of, if not THE, youngest secondary in the Big Ten... or NCAA. you'd have a terrific point if we had juniors and seniors who were failing to accomplish. instead we have freshman playing their ass off to compensate a complete lack of game experience. and we STILL overcame all that to win 7 games.
you just sound grumpy imo
This has been bothering me since last summer. We're not going to agree, but I'm upset that the staff can't seem to play the hand they're dealt and work on the future as best they can. You've got to whatever you can to keep guys like Emelien and Turner. It's a coach's job to motivate and inspire them to put in the work to succeed.
If he can't judge character well enough to pick the right guys or motivate them to succeed, then that is a serious flaw that isn't going to be rectified with time.
I've got no idea what's different now than when he was at WVU. Maybe he could fill holes with transfers, or maybe he's stretched for some higher profile kids that have badly backfired, but not having a backup free safety after three seasons is crappy roster management, IMO.
Why is it that RR gets credit for recruiting a "juggernaut offense" but gets a flier on the crap defense? It's ridiculous.
because the defense is at 2/3 of its starting roster and is made up of freshman.
In year one, you can make that excuse. If that's still the case in year three, some serious roster mismanagement has gone on.
to fall on that as your argument. the secondary has been decimated, which led to linebackers having to help with coverage, etc. the defensive line has been a disappointment but even there you find big injuries. year one didn't feature freshman so it's not an excuse for then. year two even. but year three is pure underclassmen. shortest set of haikus in ages. but that's all RRs fault, right?
Eventually, yes. Part of the staff's job is to convince players to stay and be part of the team.
He's actually recruited alright on the defensive side of the ball. They all just left/never made it here/got injured.
(See Demar Dorsey, J.T. Turner, Vlad Emilien, etc.)
And RR is the one responsible.
Hey Rich, when you come back to Ann Arbor, go to Yost Ice Arena during a game and go straight to the penalty box.
All the chants work. C-Ya. Sieve. It's all your fault. Take your pick. Disgusted.
Disgusted? Did you forget your MLive login password?
Cool idea bro! How long did that take?!
See if Rich Rod can improve his team with practice time. If the team fails in the bowl to show improvement, then make your move.
Regardless of the decision, make it now for the recruiting class's sake.
There's an interesting balance between these two things. Much as I think it's best for the recruiting class if there's a vote of confidence, it's hard to say that if we get rolled in a bowl game that won't sway Brandon's opinion.
I think we'll be just fine in the bowl game but who knows. Seems like this team hasn't played to its potential yet and who's to say it will.
in the lol dongs thread.
I have been pro-RR for a while, but I am honestly ambivalent at this point. If RR gets canned and we get Harbaugh, I won't shed any tears. At the same time, either guy should see improvement based on not starting a ton of freshmen.
Like somebody said, though, at some point perception becomes reality. If RR improves to 9-3, people will see marginal improvement, and many will still be bitter about his still-losing Big Ten record. If Harbaugh comes in and gets the same record, with a win over MSU or OSU, it will look like he was able to turn the corner where RR could not. Same result, different perception.
At the same time, if RR is let go, I wouldn't be surprised to see him succeed somewhere where he will be wanted and will be given time to build what he wants.