help i've been transported back in time to Jim Tressel's hiring help
Why We Should Not Be Worried About Ohio's Recruiting Class
Amen. That has become more important to me over the years, witnessing scandals and misconduct. I want as little as possible of that at Michigan.
I've said in other post about the subject, Florida started dropping off almost immediately, when Dan Mullen and Charlie Strong left. Now Florida benefitted from winning 2 MNCs in three years and that helped Urb pull in strong classes in his last couple of years. But the success on the field didn't match up to the talent in the locker room and Muschamp has realized this almost immediately. I think alot of the kids that have committed so quickly to tsiO, did it because they think MNCs are guaranteed. They might be a little surprised when Urb is suddenly experiencing chest pains 3 years from now.
By NSD, we will be ranked higher, I am pretty sure.
Second, we should never worry about their players...I am only concerned about our players.
Urban Meyer is not going to punish his kids for wrongdoings. He might "punish them". There is a difference.
1: everybody believes their own thoughts to be logical.
2: those are very solid points.
Urban Meyer was notorious for relying on recruiting ratings to do his scouting for him. At Florida that lead him to go hard after many recruits that were highly rated, but did not quite fit his system. He has only been the Buckeyes head coach for 2 months now, there is only so much film he could of watched in that time, especially with how much he has been on the road. He maybe recruiting great athlethes right now, but until he proves that they are the right athlethes for him and his system (Dunn comes to mind here), I am not going to lose any sleep over it.
Especially when Brady, Mattison, and Borges are targeting the type of the players they want, and most importantly these players are all high character young men. With the type of work ethic they have, I just feel like they have a better chance to outperform (as compared to underpeform or meet) their ranking. I am looking forward to this next generdation of Michigan Men getting on campus and making an impact.
I remember Urban Meyer gunned for him pretty hard when Moody was trying to transfer out of USC. Moody just never lived up to his hype, but I think Urban has always wanted to experiment with a prototypical big back. Urban Meyer is truly an offensive pioneer; he's always looking to tweak his spread offense to become more efficient.
This post is terrible
Le'Veon Bell was a two star.... Depth is great, but stars are overrated
We shouldn't worry about tOsu recruits:
"WERE MICHIGAN FOR GODS SAKE"
that thinks Urban is lucky or that Hoke is a better coach, I say just look at what Urban did at Utah and Florida. The dude can flat out coach, and combining the (current) #1 class in the B1G with that makes me really nervous (especially, because in our last 2 games, our D was terrible against OSU and our O was terrible against VT).
this will be a fun ten years or more.
Recruiting will always be in Ohio's favor since there's much more talent in the state along with them not having any in-state competition. The Big 10 is a much better conference with both schools running on full power, and The Game will be even that much better now that both schools are heralding top talent.
They do have in-state competition. It is us.
Why be worried about this current OSU class more than the past OSU classes? Their recruits are always top notch. If they didn't have great talent they wouldn't be Ohio and if they sucked that wouldn't be good for Michigan either. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd rather they bring in a lot of talent. It makes the game that much better.
What is the problem here? Would everyone prefer that we played Harvard every game? Why should we be afraid of an elite Ohio State team? As a football fan this is fantastic. We see so many crappy teams every year. Getting to see a heavy weight title fight every year in person sounds amazing. Do we not like great football games? This makes no sense, seeing as everyone loves being nostalgic about the ten year war. Guess how that happened? This is how.
I can't wait to see what this board comes up with leading up to the game with Alabama.
I'm with you just to be clear. I posted this as a response to all the people I've seen this week being so pissed about Ohio's recruiting success. I wasn't worried before and I'm not now.
I'm not worried because I expect OSU to have a great class every year.
Why do people act like they are just coming to this realization? Did you not expect kids to continue to want to go to Ohio?
What were your expectations with Ohio State? Stealing Penn State's recruits isn't exactly surprising when they didn't have a coach and have all that other stuff going on?
We're likely to end up with a top-5 class if we get 3 of these 5 guys we're aiming for. Chill.
They can throw out all those great players, all those great backs, but there's going to be only ONE team in the conference that will play together as a team. (Think someone said something like that round these parts, no?)
We're ready. Come and get us.
Reason number one not to worry about Ohio's recruiting class:
also when urban came in a lot fo the recruits were already taken, so they were just taking the best recruits available, not neccessarily the ones that fit their system the best. all of michigans recruits mesh, fit into the system well, and are all pretty good friends, yet our recruiting classes are both the same in terms of ranking. so i think our class is better.
Sounds like you are already worried, because people who aren't worried don't think this way. Keep in mind this is Urbans first class as well, it is only going to go up.
Don't think what way? About future matchups? Sports are about matchups. Looking at how our personnel stacks up against theirs does not demonstrate fear or worry. I was trying to pose an argument for why we shouldn't be worried to the people saying it's unfair how Ohio gets no punishment and gets the best coach in the country and a top recruiting class. Most of the other posters in the thread have given good arguments for this as well. How does explaining your lack of worry demonstrate that you are in fact worried?
Because the best offense is a good defense.
Ohio always recruits well. This is hardly a new development in the CFB universe. I'm more interested in seeing how they adjust to a new offensive system with the TE/H-back hybrid players and lots of optionball. Plus the D was shaky last year.
Im not worried because...This Is Michigan
Doesn't take much research if you frequent this Michigan blog. Every Big10 recruiting class is posted on the front page...
Why I'm not worried? It's one recruiting class and I don't care a rip about what other people are doing, only the players we get. For instance, we have the #1 OL, #1 LB recruiting classes coming in. Next year we have arguably the nations best QB signed and most think he's better than any QB in the '12 class.
2nd, I have NO confidence Urb will be around to see this class graduate. The guy is a head case.
They should be worrying about us.
Also remember M's recruiting ranking will almost certainly move upward, assuming at least a couple more 4-stars (and one 5, perhaps) sign by NSD.
Wow you really are just an asshole huh? Do you feel cool insulting people on the internet? For all you know I could be a 12 year old whose interest in Michigan is now dwindling because of the fanbase being a huge dick to him on the best Michigan board around. It's a comparison meant to elicit conversation, and judging from the fact that your post is now on the second page of responses, it did just that. Will all of the guys be on the field at the same time? No. Will many of them be on at the same time as upperclassmen? Absolutely. What exactly is a good post to you? There's no point to this blog if not to discuss these types of things, especially in the offseason, and posts like mine are not what tarnish the board, but posts like yours.
It's fine that you think it doesn't make sense. But you put up 4 posts in here that all did nothing but to make people feel stupid. You haven't brought any insight. I asked in the OP, do you think this is a valid argument? Some people said no, but they provided a reason for it. And you didn't answer my question about what you think IS a good thread. I don't have thin skin at all, my feelings are not hurt, but your posts have brought nothing to the conversation other than hostility.
It's ignorant to say that the spread doesn't work in the Big Ten when Northwestern runs it well.
Because Ohio St is going to get good players no matter what?
I don't know why people worry about other teams' recruiting. That is far out of Michigan's contorl. If we beat OSU for a prospect straight up, they're probably going to get another good one in that one's spot. Same if they beat us for a recruit. When was the last time OSU didn't have good players?
The last time Joe Bauserman was on the field?
people are too concerned with player's high school rankings, I think that attaining talent is important, but I beleive that it is more important how you develop that talent.
...the rivalry and the B1G are at their best when both recruit and compete at a high level. I traveled up for "The Game" and eventhough I was elated we won, it sucked that buckeye fans weren't truly crushed and expected to lose and were surprised by their ability to compete. I want them to be good so it's even sweeter when we win
is that we are headed back to the good old days in terms of running backs. You remember, the time when you spent all season worrying about the position because of the loss of some huge stud, and then by about the third game of the season you were talking to your Michigan buddies about how "that [Boles/Wheatly/Perry/Hart] kid looks like he's the real deal."
And he was.
I'm pretty sure Wheatley, Boles, and Perry were all blue-chippers. So I'm not sure where you're going with that.
You can not say too much about the importance of character . . . getting up eveyrday and going to class. Staying out of trouble and the sort of kid you could be proud of!
As of right now with their current commits, osu is 3 players over their limit. It'll be interesting who meyer "dismisses" before fall practice. They also have a FOIA case that they are very concerned about that shows ted sarniak is a booster and they covered up the emails they are so desperately trying to hide now back in the 2007 "investigation." osu is hardly out of the woods with the NCAA and I'm calling it now. They get a 3rd COI meeting before next season ends.
I would not worry about anybody's class except our own. Let's stay focused on Michigan, and on who we get and who we add to see how we do in closing out this year.
I could care less how OSU does in recruiting this year - they always do well, and so does Michigan. And for all the hoopla surrounding stars and rankings, what is the honest difference between a class ranked 6th with 3 5* and 6 4* and a class ranked 10th with 2 5* and 7 4*? Not much.
People, Ohio State has always recruited well.
And yet we have an all-time winning record against them.