On why we lost to State

Submitted by ituralde on

Ok, so consider yourself warned, this is going to be a big one. 

There are a number of reasons we lost to state. I'm going to list them here.  Before you get pissed off by reading the bold bullet points as you relive this painful day, consider this the stuff that lets you remain classy in defeat and know inside that they will rue this day and remember the cost for the decision to go for it on 4th down with 1 minute remaining in a 3-score game in the future. 

So, in order of importance, lets get started.

1. Michigan State played solid football and executed fairly well for 4 full quarters. 

I hate to say this, but Sparty came out and played themselves a good game.  Much better than their showing last week against Wisconsin.  As much as I hate MSU with a firey passion, they earned this win from their side. On offense, they fought to establish the run, converted on some big passing plays enough to get them close enough to score, and were doing well running varous counter plays all day.  Their backs didn't put the ball on the ground, and Kirk Cousins didn't cough the ball up either.  In general, not many bad decisions across the board. 

On Defense, they began to win upfront, especially against the run, and did a pretty good job of keeping 3 yard gains from turning into 6 yard gains or more.  Not shutdown by any means, but they were good enough such that we needed to execute very well to get offensive progress. Which brings us to point two:

2. We turned the ball over three times. 

We need to expect opposing teams to execute.  Thus, if we fuck up and turn the ball over 3 times, twice in the red zone, we shouldn't expect to win.  Had we not turned the ball over, and those drives go for scores, we win the game even if we assume they score anyways when they get the ball back. 

This is a 21 point differential. That means that we'd be having to play good enough to blow them out by 21 points to overcome those kinds of mistakes.  I'm sure the UFR may shed some light as to exactly what went on, but ultimately responsibility for this comes down on our dear Shoelace, who had probably the worst game of his career.  I think these turnovers though are really though indicative of something else:

3. We didn't execute well passing the ball at all today.

No, seriously, recievers, STOP DROPPING THE DAMN BALL.  *rage* etc.  The drops killed our passing game and cost us at least a couple scores and key first downs.  Every dropped pass is an important missed oppertunity and is the sort of stuff that changes games.  We are talking probably over 100 yards of offense lost to dropped balls, not including what we've have had for continuing drives and likely contributed to point 4:

4. We never established the run

They had 6-7 guys in the box against 4wr shotgun sets, and most of the time, 5-6 against empty backfield sets.  They caught onto the Zone Read after the first quarter or so and began shutting down a lot of the inside runs.  Because we couldn't do much of anything to force their LBs to back off the line of scrimmage (and their deep safety for that matter - he was taking 4-5 steps towards the LOS on most plays even late in the game), they crushed us on the run. 

I can't even say our run offense execution was particularly bad, they just played run-first defense and it's not particularly easy to get the run game going when that is their defense's first read. Your run game and pass game need to help each other out, and in this game, the execution through the air really killed our ability to execute on the ground.  One thing that helped kill our execution through the air was the fact that:

5. The officiating was abysmal. 

Tackling recievers before the catch aparrently isn't pass interference if the reciever wears maize and blue. 

More irritating than that was the fact that their LT held blatantly on every fucking passing down, we had people practically sit on our pass rushers and not get flagged. MSU was also blocking our defenders in the back all day as well.  Furthermore, it took an injury along our D-Line for them to call the same chop block Sparty was doing all game.

The UFR can confirm this as well, but I'm pretty sure 3 of their linemen were past the line of scrimmage on the trick play, but I was in the student section and couldn't tell for sure.

Not really blaming the loss on this, but it sure didn't help us out.  Especially when it comes to the fact that:

6. Our defense sucks.

By all counts, for this years defense, we got a lot more stops and good plays from them than we are used to.  They honestly got us enough stops that if our offense didn't keep turning the ball over, we'd have been able to win, and probably quite handily. 

But holy shit, where are our standards? This is Michigan! Giving up 500 yards to fucking sparty? Are you nuts? Giving up two huge runs and ugly big pass plays on a reliable basis?  Lamarr Woodley must be crying when he watched that defense play wearing the same jerseys he and the other World Destroyers of '06 wore.  This defense will continue to do enough to win us games, but come on, at Michigan, we have to do better than this. 

They have to bail out the offense every once in a while, since one half the team shouldn't have to make all the plays in a season. 

Sparty executed on offense at least in part because we weren't enough of a challenge to make them force plays.  Michigan won't win reliably until we can make other offenses feel uncomfortable doing their favorite things.  Cases in point: they began to shut down the Zone Read runs while they were very rarely stopped in power runs (especially counters) all game. 

 

Wow, that's really ugly, does this mean we fire Rich Rodriguez?

Cautiously, not yet.  His starting QB had the worst game of his career.  Depending on how the rest of the season goes, MSU could walk away with part of a Big Ten title.  Hell, if Ohio State drops one (they do look a bit vulnerable), MSU may even play for a national title (especially if South Carolina and/or Oregon drop one too).  This loss probably puts him on a very toasty seat, but its nothing a big win next week (or a 9-3 overall finish with a bowl win for #10) can't cure. 

What about teh GERG?  I hate seeing sparty run like champs.

So do I. Results for the rest of the season will determine this, but I tend to be a bit flexible due to the injuries across the board.  I think our Defense would be legitimately scary with Donovan Warren and Troy Woolfolk playing, so I hesitate to call for the axe to drop on his head.  His seat should be toastier than richrod's though.

***OUR KICKERS ARE FIRED THOUGH, GIVE ME A SCHOLARSHIP TO GET FIELD GOALS BLOCKED KTHX***

So, on to the future:

MSU is little more than a collection of classless, inbred sofa-pyromaniacs.

I totally agree. There are some exceptions, of course, but I nearly lost it when they ran on 4th down at the end of the game while up 3 scores.  I will never in my life accept pulling starters against them the next time we blow them out.  In fact, not just because of our shitty kicking, I honestly feel like we should go for 2 from now on against them. They may have earned the win today by executing well on the field, but they've also earned a lot of hell to pay.  Their fans are worse than fucking chicago fans, and are a disgrace to our state.  The ones nearest me cheered our injuries and lacked even a shred of dignity or class. 

I pray for the day righteous wrath comes down on those inbred cocksuckers and they remember their place in the order of life, but that will wait at least another year. 

Thanks, captain obvious. What about the rest of the season?

It's all going to depend on ball security.  Fortunately, Penn St. looked terrible and Illinois still looks beatable.  Purdue is also still a joke.

Here's the breakdown, if we get win x, it will come against teams as follows (in order of difficulty):

Win 6: Purdue

Indiana is precisely 98954554366756 times better than purdue.  If we lose this game, RR doesn't deserve a job at Michigan

Win 7: Penn St

Penn St is bad this year.  They forgot offense was important and their defense isn't exactly something to write home about either.  They aren't doing well at anything.  Dangerous if we are on a 2-game losing streak if we lose to Iowa perhaps, but we still have no business losing this game. 

Win 8: Illinois

The key to this game is not self-imploding.  Illinois can do ok when they are free to execute at will, but they should be very beatable, especially since we have them at home.  The big house was really frigging loud before we started turning the ball over, so I think we definately have credible home-field advantage.  If we beat Penn St and can run on them, we'll run on Illinois too. 

Win 9: Wisconsin

Wisconsin is a hard game, no matter how you look at it. However, if we can beat Michigan State if we don't turn the ball over, then I expect a performance with no turnovers against a lower quality Wisconsin team will be enough for us to win. 

Win 10: Iowa

This might be a better team than the buckeyes, but we have them at home, and Stanzi can choke away tough road games.  Rebounding from MSU will be tough, but if we learn from mistakes this game and don't turn the ball over, we can win.  Our offense is good enough that if we don't drop balls, we can put their LBs and safeties on a back-step and open up more on the ground than what we had against MSU.  A lot needs to be corrected but this one is still in our grasp. Especially if we get 4 quarters of the kind of noise that was made in the big house that we had in the first quarter.

Win 11: Ohio State

OSU D? Scary.  OSU Offense? Not that scary.  Abilty for us to play 4 quarters without doing a lot of coughing the ball up in one of the hardest places to play in College Football? That's more than a bit of a challenge.  It's a bit hard to predict this far ahead with so much more football to be played, but this is looking like a bit more of a longshot.  We can still win this game, but we'll need to improve a lot before getting to them if we want to have a chance to be competitive.

Shoelace for heisman?

Only if you can stomach rooting for sparty down the stretch.  Shoelace had a very bad day.  Its recoverable, but he needs to get back to game 1-5 form and limit mistakes again for his heisman campaign to look credible.  Michigan State doing well down the stretch will make heisman voters forgive this performance if he does well through the rest of the season.  For his part, there were a lot of teachable moments today - in the long run, I see him coming out better for the hard lessons that came today. 

Can you predict something so I can call you a dumbass later?

Absolutely.  I'm going to call us cautiously at 10-2.  Shoelace does very well when he's being doubted, so I'm hoping for a big rebound against Iowa. Iowa is very scary, especially up front on defense, but a good day passing will keep us driving and give us the win after a couple stanziballs give us a big leg up.  Wisconsin will be a broken team with at least one other loss to Ohio State and maybe another along the line before they arrive in ann arbor.  They tend to choke promising seasons away, and while they plastered minnesota, I'm still not a believer.  PSU, Illinois, and Purdue end all predictably. 

So, there you have it. laissez les bon temps roulez.  Losing to sparty hurts but we still have a fairly promising looking season ahead of us. 

jmblue

October 9th, 2010 at 9:08 PM ^

Threet/Sheridan didn't play in '07.  Henne was the QB then. 

If you're talking about the '08 game, if that on was marginally closer than this one, that was more due to MSU not playing nearly as well then as they did today.  I'll tip my cap to them - they played their best game of the season.

08mms

October 10th, 2010 at 12:12 AM ^

Near flawless execution, a veteran defense with smart physical linebackers who could be trusted with harder to read schemes in which they could still tackle in space.  Sparty hasn't been firing on all gears like this in my lifetime.  Other than Baker who showed glimpses of being a future stand-out back, I don't think they have anything truly unique or phenomenal, but they looked extremely polished, and thats what they needed.

YouRFree

October 9th, 2010 at 9:08 PM ^

the big ten ref  has been against us since RR arrive. Anybody has the same feeling? Other than the no holding call. they at least missed a face mask call, and awarded sparty the roughing the kicker call when our player was pushed to the kicker.

ituralde

October 9th, 2010 at 9:09 PM ^

I didn't see it very well - I THOUGHT he was pushed - their punter takes a couple baby steps forward too after a punt and puts himself in the line of fire too.  I wasn't sure, so I didn't put it in the writeup. UFR will show for sure.

McFarlin 2.0

October 9th, 2010 at 9:08 PM ^

MSU's remaining schedule is scary easy.  I can honestly see these jackasses playing for the National Championship if they don't pull a SPARTY NO moment.

South Lyon Sparty

October 9th, 2010 at 9:54 PM ^

Which uis another reason why the mythical National Championship in college football needs to be changed.  I would agree if they were to run the table, and that is a big if, MSU has played nowhere near the caliber of schedule to deserve such consideration.

Now, they've beaten who they've had lined up... give them credit.  But their schedule, as discussed, has been way too favorable.

But having saidf that... crystal ball fantasy time, how about an MSU-OSU title game?  Nightmare scenairo?

BigBlue02

October 9th, 2010 at 11:00 PM ^

We should discuss that right after we discuss if Dantonio leaves your shit school to coach OSU after Tressell.

What did you say, that is ridiculous? Oh. I guess we have both asked unbelievably stupid questions.

In other words, Jim Harbaugh won't come back here because he won't be invited. Quit trolling.

South Lyon Sparty

October 9th, 2010 at 11:22 PM ^

Nice Big Blue... good to see you can handle a tough afternoon with such class.  Many of your own alumni I spoke with today brought Harbaugh up.  It has been discussed before, as has how many wins Rodriguez needs to keep his job.

Might he be fired... I sure as heck don't know.  I was asking a hypothetical about Harbaugh.  Relax.

As for Dantonio heading to OSU some day, he very well could.  It is supposedly the one destination he covets.  But, many also hope with the bond he has for MSU... helped in large part by the Michigan rivalry (i.e., "little brother") wiull be strong enough that he could see East Lansing as an end destination and do well for years to come.

BigBlue02

October 10th, 2010 at 1:47 AM ^

It is amazing. You say you have been commenting on this site for a while now and yet I have never even given you a second thought. You know why....because you have never commented 200 times in one day. Then you choose this day of all days to post over and over again. I wonder why?

Also, if you have been on here and commented as much as you say you have and you are not trolling, you would have seen the millions and millions of times this same hypothetical question has been asked. I can handle a loss with class just fine. I can't handle someone bringing up Harbaugh when Michigan is 5-1 with half the season left and 2 years left on RichRod's contract. I don't really care if my own alumni brought up Harbaugh, those alumni are probably pretty stupid, just like your question. And I really don't care if Dantonio stays at MSU....apparently you didn't catch that I said it was just as dumb a question as the Harbaugh question. If I did really care about it, I would probably go to an MSU board and talk about it. But I don't because I don't really give a shit about your coach or your program. Good win today. Try not to burn anything tonight.

South Lyon Sparty

October 10th, 2010 at 9:11 AM ^

In hindsight, I get your point about letting the season play out... but many Michigan fans are also questioning it RIGHT NOW.

If you look at the facts with coach Rodriguez... his record in Big Ten play (4-14), a defense that is struggling, losing to rivals, NCAA investigations (on rather cheap issues, I grant you)... and now heading into the meat of your schedule... sorry, people are talking about it.

5-1 has been a pleasant surprise, as has Robinson.  But the debate will grow quickly if a few more losses mount as to "what Rodriguez has to do" to keep his job.  What record will be good enough?

As for you not giving me a "second thought",... why would I be surprised by that, or expect you would?  I have posted multiple times on other days, and the reason I've done so now after this game is pretty obvious.  You might not believe it, but I would have posted here win or lose.  I like an alternative fan base "take", which is why I read here too... often not posting.

I'll also say that as well as they played, Michigan State is fortunate that Robinson was "off" in the red zone, UM also dropped a few passes and missed a FG... otherwise, we have a tie game at the end like many expected.  I'm a believer that teams are mostly never as good as they appear in a win, or as bad as they appear in a loss.  State will have their hands full with Illinois.  I do not believe they are "all that".

As I've posted previously, I hope UM regains it's footing next week.  I do want a football rivalry with both teams ranked each season.  I'd also love a Duke-UNC type rivalry in basketball.  No reason that both programs can't be relevant at the same time.

Don't mean to antagonize you, or anyone here.  Sometimes the written word can be mis-interpreted.

P.S. Yet another burning reference, again?

meals69

October 9th, 2010 at 10:34 PM ^

An all big ten title game would be nice....but it would mean another loss to tOSU...i dont think i can take anymore losing to them...i have to hear it ALL FUCKING YEAR. even when im not talking about football. Just wearing a Michigan shirt/hat gets the inevitable you have some shit on your yadda...yaddaa...yadda. tOSU fans are so classless its pathetic. I shall now return to my alcohol.

goblufucabuc

October 9th, 2010 at 9:08 PM ^

Well D Rob shows the world hes human, the Def shows it sucks, Hey GREG  its called gap responsibilty!!!! what the hell r u doin??? get his ass outta there I can bring a little league team up from OH  and show Greg how to respod to Gap resonsibility..now I gotta deal wit des Suceyes down here

ajscipione

October 9th, 2010 at 9:12 PM ^

to ascertain how good of a coach GERG is and I still can't tell for sure. However, I have seen no improvement in the defense during the first six games of this year and the tackling is horrendous. I have been trying to give GERG the benefit of the doubt but the more  I see of this defense the more I believe that GERG can't teach fundementals. Does anyone else feel that way? If I am wrong please enlighten me. The defense is just god-awful. 

ituralde

October 9th, 2010 at 9:15 PM ^

Ezeh's lack of progression speaks to that line of thought, but Mouton and Martin have been heros.

I primarly blame it on (lack of) experience at critical positions.  And by that, I mean DOOM in the secondary.  We're losing a lot of forward movement since we are dropping LBs into zone since our secondary can't shut anything down.  I don't think our defense would look anything like this if we had more skill at Spur/Bandit and Corner. 

Imagine where this D would be with Warren and Woolfolk in it - that change alone would make us much more credible. 

So its hard to say, but with that young of a defense, be hesitant to drop the axe.

MadtownMaize

October 9th, 2010 at 10:21 PM ^

with regards to the secondary, but we have experience at LB. Lots of it. It does not bode well for our future defenses that no-one on our bench can beat out our current poor tackling linebackers.  Who will play MLB next year? A true freshman? How many years do we need to keep relying on true freshmen?

Jerry

October 10th, 2010 at 1:14 AM ^

in tackles two years ago, and he has been starting alongside Mouton for two years. J.B. Fitzgerald has gotten a little bit of time throughout his career (he's a junior), and Kevin Leach got a significant amount of playing time last year. There isn't much experience, but there is some. I just can't believe Ezeh's growth came to such a screeching halt, and Leach and Fitzgerald can't challenge him for the starting job. I think some (if not all) of the reason Ezeh is struggling is the switch to GERG's defensive scheme after his breakout sophomore season. 

BigBlue02

October 10th, 2010 at 2:04 AM ^

I asked where our LB experience was and you named 4 people, 1 of them being a walk on. That doesn't really scream out experience. You even said it wasn't much in your response. I thought it was pretty obvious when I was asking about experience, I was asking in regards to someone else good that could take over for Ezeh That wasn't still in high school.

Also, Ezeh struggled in his sophomore season. It wasn't a breakout season by any means and it was under Shaeffer, so your whole "he struggled to switch to Gerg's scheme" doesn't really mean much. He struggled to switch to Shaeffer's system also, so I don't really know if you can blame Gerg. Ezeh had a good freshman year and has regressed ever since.

Jerry

October 10th, 2010 at 2:37 AM ^

very good points, but I have to disagree with you about Ezeh's sophomore year. He may have had a couple questionable games, but the coaches and the media selected him as an honorable mention to the All-Big Ten Defense. I mean, he had four double-digit tackle games that season...

jmblue

October 9th, 2010 at 9:12 PM ^

Besides the three turnovers, don't forget that we had to settle for a FG on our second drive.  (Actually, I was hoping at the time we'd go for it.)  That was a victory for the MSU defense.  We moved the ball all over the place those first two drives and got three points. 

ituralde

October 9th, 2010 at 9:19 PM ^

But as the math has it, one FG tends to not be a huge deal if your offense consistently performs otherwise.  You still have that extra score on the board you will need to win.  It's certainly not ideal as if they match it for a TD you are still 4 down, but other than that, it can be those extra points that turn a tie into a win. 

Not arguing that it didn't hurt us, but the first FG isn't nearly as bad as having a second FG on a day.

BlueGoM

October 9th, 2010 at 10:03 PM ^

Basically yes - moving the ball down the field 4 times and only getting 3 points out of it ( 2 ints 1fg 1 blocked fg) is what really put us behind the 8 ball.  People will complain about the offense but we moved the ball relatively well.  I will wait for the UFR but I think MSU managed to force us to have Denard throw the ball from the pocket - which honestly he hasn't much experience as a drop back passer type.

K2

October 9th, 2010 at 10:19 PM ^

We can go on and on about how we can't tackle, cover, complete a pass,kick a field goal etc... but the only thing that matters in the end is the scoreboard. An ugly win is still one win and a blowout loss is just one loss, at this point all of the how/why of our defense has been talked to death on this board.

bronxblue

October 9th, 2010 at 9:15 PM ^

MSU beat UM because they stuck to their game plan and made plays.  It happens.  This loss stings more because it was MSU, but if Iowa/Wiscy/OSU did the same, we'd just say it was a bad loss and move on.  Let Sparty enjoy the win, and move on.  As both a Sparty and a Wolverine, I am far more bummed out from this loss than anything else because I know Spartan fans don't care as much about the win as they do the fact they can now brag about beating UM another year.  They could go 0-for the season and this is the only win that would matter.  UM has bigger fish to fry this season.

South Lyon Sparty

October 9th, 2010 at 10:42 PM ^

Honestly Bronx... UM is our biggest rival.  No Spartan hides from that, and never will.  But I believe Spartan fans today finally hope for more... and do care about a lot more than just beating Michigan.

UM is the centerpiece of our schedule every year, while you all have OSU.  But I would like to think MSU is now a bigger rival for you today than Notre Dame for heaven's sake.  They should be.

I agree you guys have a lot of season left.  I will be watching with interest how this team (Michigan) picks itself up for the rest of the year.