When this recruiting class was getting signed, I was following everything on rivals, but I had not discovered Mgoblog yet. So, I am sure this was discussed a couple of years ago, but why was Omameh only rated a two-star(on Rivals) coming out of high school? I know they had him as a defensive end, but that still seems low for a guy that many were predicting would become an offensive lineman. Just curious.
Why was Omameh a two-star?
he was a late bloomer. i believe that tressel looked into him and offered within a day or two of richrod. cincy had originally recruited him as a de. very, very athletice. grew into his body late. thriving now.
academics. He's not OSU material IMO(though I have to say I don't know what kind of ENG school OSU has.)
I found this info on Buckeye Planet -
Offensive Line / Defensive line
Columbus St. Francis DeSales
Weight: 236 lbs
Forty: 4.85 secs
Bench max: 285 pounds
Squat max: 425 pounds
Academics: 4.0 GPA; 28 ACT
Committed to Cincinnati in July.
Perfect frame for adding weight. Solid center prospect but could eventually project on either side of the ball or at offensive guard. In the DeSales offense he is usually asked to crab block and then get to the second level, which is not necessarily easy to do. Because of that technique he shows good quickness and great flexibility. Not strong enough right now but can work on that during his first few years to help generate better push up front and better drive off the snap. Initial contact is decent but needs to get stronger to push people aorund. Great motor and great hustle. Along with his strength needs to work on his punch in passing situations and needs to work more from the knees rather than the waist.
First team all-state pick in DII.
Offers from Cincinnati, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State
he was a 6'4", 236 pound high school junior. He grew after after a lot of the rankings had already been done. By the time signing day rolled around, IIRC he had received a buckeye offer.
Don't know about the measurements, but it's correct that he grew late and picked up a very late OSU offer.
The fact that the Buckeyes offered should tell you all you need to know. Like the others mentioned, he was a late bloomer and I'm glad we got him.
knows how to pick his o-linemen. Thank god they don't know how to coach them though.
Just as everyone else already said. He was a late bloomer, grew a lot between his junior and senior seasons and something just clicked with him. I'm definitely glad to have him on board though. He looks like a pretty good young player with a ton of upside.
He was also small - 230 pounds.
Hope this portends good things for Carvin Johnson
Awesome, thanks everyone. I'm glad he is at Michigan. He looks pretty good playign without any experience.
It is interesting that they said a lot of the same things last year about Taylor Lewan and he got four stars. I'm pretty excited about seeing his potential.
He had been a DLineman and switched over to the Oline for his senior year. Lewan was a good 30lbs heavier than Omameh was plus he was extremely well coached on the HS level.
Part of why Taylor Lewan came on late was because of his school switch, also. He switched schools before his senior year, and went to Chaparral in Scottsdale.
The head coach at Chaparral does a really good job coaching, has a lot of contacts, and helps his kids get to the next level. Obviously it was mainly the position switch, but he wouldn't have changed positions had he not switched schools.
Star ratings don't mean anything. They are somewhat of a predictor but not guaranteed. Last time I checked, Joey Harrington and Ryan Leaf were first rounders. Joe Montana and Tom Brady were late round picks. Same goes for recruits. You really don't know how players will adapt to the next level until you get them here.
"Star ratings don't mean anything."
The ignorance here is startling:
First, Harrington and Leaf pre-dated Rivals publishing star rankings. So - their success or lack thereof reflects nothing on the ranking system, because the current one didn't exist.
Second, even if we stipulated that Harrington and Leaf were highly rated prospects (most highly touted prospects didn't end up at Washington State and at the time that Harrington went to Oregon, they weren't going there either), they were both riotously successful in college, finishing third (Leaf) and fourth (Harrington) in the Heisman voting. Better than, you know, Tom Brady. So, if they WERE highly rated (which they couldn't have been because Star Rankings didn't exist and the fact they both went to relatively small-time programs suggests they weren't highly recruited) the rating would have been right - because they kicked ass in college.
I think what you mean is that star ratings are sometimes inaccurate. That's very different from not meaning anything.
Joe Montana was a third round pick and the 4th qb drafted; that's not a late rounder.
BTW - the majority of 5 star players end up with a shot at the NFL, so stars are in indication of talent. While there are exceptions, teams with 5 star talent tend to play in BCS bowls.
but he was kind of small coming out of HS
Thats what she said
Saturday didn't happen.
He was a two-star recruit. QED, he isn't very good. The fact that he played well and looked strong, agile, and athletic doesn't mean anything until ratified by Rivals and/or Scout.
recruiting sites know nothing.
2 stars can be good
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Is it just me, or is "/fin" a bit redundant?
Offensive line is a particularly hard position to project. The take longer to develop than a skill position, typically get significantly bigger physically during their first few years of college, and the position requires a lot of technique and teamwork.
He was undersized at one point, but I thought I'd throw some numbers out there to illustrate the point.
Rivals has him listed under the 2008 recruiting class at 6 ft 4, 236 lbs (at DE!).
The roster over at MGoBlue.com lists him at 6-4, 276 lbs.
So yeah, a late bloomer and/or Barwis has put some serious muscle on the kid.
last week's game, he looks like he could develop into a good one. He could start at RG for quite a while. Glad M landed him.
Teleological thinking - don't take the information we have today to try to understand the understandings and decisions of yesterday.
Why was David Harris a 2 star? Beats the hell out of me. Recruiting sites are all about camp performances and measurables. It's crazy how truly inaccurate they really are.
It is not crazy. It is a difficult proposition to start with, couple that with the fact that the sites are not very thorough and you end up with a wide range of results.
Because you touch yourself at night.
Because recruiting rankings don't matter.
He'll always be a 4-star in my heart.