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Why Michigan will win under the lights

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:20 PM
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Why Michigan will win under the lights

  Notre Dame invades the Big House in a couple weeks and most experts as well as some fans are prematurely marking this up as a win for Notre Dame. The last three years have been terrible for Michigan football , possibly the worst in school history. In each of those 3 years Notre Dame has been favored to win , because of a late season collapse by the Wolverine and a supposed surge by the Irish. Things have'nt really worked out the way the "experts" have called it, with the Irish going 1-2 against 3 of the worst teams in Michigan history.

 What makes people so sure Notre Dame will beat Michigan this year? Notre Dame finished the season by slipping by USC and stomping Miami (yea that Miami), but those are'nt the games we need to be looking at. When evaluating Michigan vs. Notre Dame you should instead look at Notre Dames 2 late season losses. The reason why is simple , Miami and Usc run a pro style offense where the QB is a pocket passer with little to no chance for him to tuck the ball and bolt downfield for 70 yards. If you look at Navy and Tulsa who had semi mobile QB's ( NOTHING like Denard) The opposing QB both averaged about 4 yards a carry and more importantly they both won their games. This just shows that even tho the Irish's defense might have improved they did not improve where they need to in order stop Michigan.

 My final reason is the defense, even our 2 worst defensive units EVER played well enough to pull out a win versus notre the last two years. I'm not saying next year we'll look like LSU on the defensive side of the ball, but we won't look like RR's vision of a Michigan defense either. Notre Dame is a pass first offense, throwing the ball 481 times last year while they ran the 414 time for less yards as a team then Denard did by himself.  They lit up our secondary last year  , that consisted of J.t Floyd, Kovacs and a few freshman, but who did'nt. They played good enough to win the game and nothing has happend this offseason to make me think they won't do the same this year.

 I could leave out the fact this is the first night game in Michigan stadium history and the crowd and player will be crazy pumped or the fact that Notre Dame has'nt won at Michigan stadium since 1993 or something ridiculous like that as other reasons Notre dame won't win , but this game could be played in Notre Dame stadium, The Vatican or the moon and Michigan wins this game. 31-24

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:24 PM
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well the big reason is...

NOTRE DAME IS ALWAYS OVERRATED!!!

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:52 PM
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they are

i never understand it, it's like all the analysts are secretely rooting for them to be good and they think that if they say it enough times it'll come true

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:29 PM
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We can't just look at the 1-2

We can't just look at the 1-2 record and look at that blindly. The win last year was definitely different than what it could have been with Crist out for a large portion of the game. Also the 09 game was very close it's not like either of those wins were dominating performances. With that being said I see no reason to completely write the ND game off as a loss. Let's wait until we see something from both teams this weekend to see if it's that big of a mismatch.

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:36 PM
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Using the Tulsa and Navy losses as examples

Is really flawed.  Tulsa, besides their opening drive, couldn't move the ball and only had one offensive TD in the whole game.  They got their points off of a blocked XP, int return for a TD, punt return for a TD, etc.  Navy runs a completely and utterly different offense than Michigan.  

I think Michigan wins but it has nothing to do with Navy or Tulsa or anything that happened last year.  It has everything to do with the environment that the Irish will walk into at the Big House and the fact that Michigan will be much better on defense.  I just don't see Notre Dame scoring many points and I see Denard going Superman at least a couple times.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:06 PM
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Tulsa was a better loss for

Tulsa was a better loss for ND than UM last year.  UM was the lowest ranked team ND lost to last season, plain and simple.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
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I think that's supposed to be

I think that's supposed to be an insult...but we won, so you're really just insulting your own team/program.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:34 PM
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L2Spell.. N00b

L2Spell.. N00b

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:57 PM
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Tulsa moved the ball very well

400 yards total, 200 passing, 200 rushing. ND had a difficult time getting off the field, and any time a team puts 200 yards rushing on you, the Defense had problems. Tulsa also had 12 penalties for 133 yards, many of them drive killers.

ND should have won that game, but Tulsa moved the ball very effectively all day.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:04 PM
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How would the UM offense and

How would the UM offense and defense have done against Tulsa if Denard was knocked out of the game on the opening drive and didn't return?  What is UM's stat line?

 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:08 PM
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Irish, you know better than

Irish, you know better than to come on here and bring up last years ( or the year before that, or the year before that...) defense. The Michigan defense we "saw" last year really didn't exist. It was a construct of the matrix or something like that. Last years defense was in Zion winning National Championships.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
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Zion, haha, good times good

Zion, haha, good times good times

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:15 PM
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well if it was similar to ND's

the back-up would throw for 330 yards and 4 touchdowns in a little over three quarters of play. Rees threw 50+ times that game and played very, very well.  I doubt Crist would have played much better.  

Wood ran for 58 yards, 3.6 per

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:29 PM
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did you miss the 3 ints? not

did you miss the 3 ints? not to metion the game losing one.  He played like a true freshman qb, but I dont know that I would qualify that as very, very well.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:40 PM
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Silly to put that last pick on anyone but Kelly

Run the ball to the left coach, and kick the fucking field goal.  Instead he called a time out and then a pass play to the end zone. 

If you have a modicum of sense, you don't make that decision when you're a head coach, especially when you are playing a true freshman QB.

In his first start ever, the kid threw for 334 yards and 4 TD's - Crist threw for 178 yards and 2 interceptions the week before at Navy.  No, I doubt Crist would have done any better.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:13 PM
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Wait, you can still neg? 

Wait, you can still neg?  Also, what if the referees had seen this:

 

We could play the "what if" game all day, the fact is Michigan won last year on the road. Weird things happen in this rivalry.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:54 PM
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If the refs had seen that on

If the refs had seen that on replay... then ND would have been awarded the ball, first and goal at the 2. Ball ended up whistled dead in the end zone without anyone covering it.

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August 30th, 2011 at 10:11 AM
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I was going to say you were

I was going to say you were incorrect, but I think you might be correct. If the ball is fumbled into, then out of the endzone, then the defense is awarded possession... Here's the rules:

 

Hi Phil,

This was a challenging question and I had to research it to find the answer. There are different rules in play depending on into which end zone the ball is fumbled. If the offense fumbles the ball into its own end zone the ball is live and all standard rules apply. The defense can recover for a touchdown or the offense can recover and either advance the ball or be tackled in the end zone for a safety.

I believe that your question actually related to the offense fumbling into the defense's end zone. In that case, their are a couple of different options. The defense can recover the ball and either advance it or they can down it in the end zone and start with the ball at their own 20 yard line. It gets really tricky if the offense recovers the ball. Here are the options.

1. If the ball is fumbled on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down and with more than two minutes left in either half, any offensive player can recover the ball for a touchdown.

2. If the ball is fumbled on 4th down or with less than two minutes in the half, only the offensive player who fumbled the ball can recover it for a touchdown.

3. If, in situation two, a different offensive player recovers the ball, the ball goes back to the original line of scrimmage and the offense keeps the ball.

However, none of these happened because play was blown dead when it shouldn't have. So I think we have an inadvertant whistle, meaning the offense has the choice of replaying the down or taking the ball at the time of the whistle (or in this case, where they last possessed the ball which is now loose). So, yeah, I guess this was a waste of time, but these deep rule book situations are always interesting to me.

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August 30th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
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I guess 5% doesn't sound that

I guess 5% doesn't sound that bad but situationally they were poor decisions, especially since everyone in the stadium knw the position the offense was in on that final drive. It was hs first season. I havent seen anything on fans NOT wanting Crist. Some certainly preferred Rees because they thought he was better as long as they win they wont care. But I think I will go with the staff who saw them in camp everyday

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August 30th, 2011 at 3:11 AM
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Nice try...

"did you miss the 3 ints? not to metion the game losing one.  He played like a true freshman qb, but I dont know that I would qualify that as very, very well."

 

 

But ND only threw 3 ints that game. Rees, Montana, and Crist each had one.

Montana's numbers were very close to Crist that game sans one pass from Crist that went for crazy YAC (to Rudolph for 90-some yards?). Crist also put points on the board... But Montana's lack of doing so on one (arguably two) occasions were little fault of his own. IIRC one drive he led down the field ended in a FG because the sideline couldn't manage the clock before the half. He was moving the ball as effectively as Crist according to the numbers.

But I guess if enough people say the same thing ("if Crist had been in") enough times it becomes reality.

 

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August 30th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
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I thought we were talking

I thought we were talking about the Tulsa game?

If you are talking about the UM game, ND didn't score a single time when Crist was out of the game.  Man sounds like ND really lost a good one when Montana transferred.

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August 30th, 2011 at 6:43 PM
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Yeah, I jumped the gun on

Yeah, I jumped the gun on this one. My apologies.

(more on page 2)

 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
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IRISH = EXCUSES You should

IRISH = EXCUSES

You should use that smiley face thing for when you are making an excuse for losing.

Or better yet, you should use the smiley when you AREN'T making excuses!

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August 29th, 2011 at 11:27 PM
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Our offense would have been fine.

We had/have good depth at quarterback. Our defense would have been the same, Denard doesn't play defense. And again, Rees may have thrown the pick, but the loss  is on Kelly.

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:38 PM
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I still don't understand why

I still don't understand why everyone is saying ND is going to be good this year. They won some games last year, but they also lost some games too. I guess I don't follow them enough to know but it seems like they have the same team as last year, only with a healthy Crist. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we'll beat em at night.

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:41 PM
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Ratings. Its good for those

Ratings. Its good for those who make a living from covering college football for ND to be good.

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:44 PM
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Good ratings to praise and to bait.

I saw Herbie today, when asked what number ND was a lock to win, say 5.  It was tremendous. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:09 PM
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was he at Tootsie's world

was he at Tootsie's world famous Orchid Lounge?

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:44 PM
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Well when you blast Utah and

Well when you blast Utah and Miami and take out USC on the road to finish your year in the first year with a new system and coach the future looks pretty rosey. When you put that up against a team who got taken out back to the woodshed 3 times in a row to end the year, lost its coach, and has an option QB it's pretty obvious who onlookers would lean towards.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:01 PM
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Utah?

Most overrated team in college football last year.  Miami wasn't exactly very good and they beat USC without Barkley in a down year for the Trojans.  

Last year is totally irrelevant now as we have a new coaching staff and schemes.  The question for me is will the D improve enough to offset what I believe will be a decrease in offensive production? 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:19 PM
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Last year is totally

Last year is totally irrelevant but you're wondering if the D will improve enough and you're concerned about Denard's transition to the new offense? Oh, I suppose last year IS relevant, seeing as, for the most part, those are the players that will be playing. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:08 PM
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Ok, so ND went 4-0 at the end

Ok, so ND went 4-0 at the end of last season and we went 1-3.

But SOS has to be mentioned here.

If ND had played our schedule, I would guarantee they would have lost at least 2 of those games. ND was not beating Wisky or OSU. In fact, I think they would have been blown out like we were. ND may of had a chance at Miss State, but I still think they lose that game. So that puts them on 2-2 at best, with 1-3 likely. Hmm just like us.

Also, please keep in mind that USC was 8-5 last season and lost 4 Pac10 games. Miami was 7-6. Utah's biggest win last season was??? Pitt? SDSU? BYU?

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:23 PM
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ND ended with the 4th

ND ended with the 4th strongest schedule in the country, UM wasn't ahead of them

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2011/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_cu...

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:40 PM
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Read my post.  I'm talking

Read my post. 

I'm talking about SOS in the last 4 games.

Does ND beat Wisky or OSU last season? 

 

Answer the question...

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:42 PM
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Going off of nothing but wins

Going off of nothing but wins and losses maybe. A ten win Tulsa team compared to an eleven win Wisconsin team accounting for one point in that method? I wonder what would have happened if Utah-Army-USC-Miami had played Purdue-Wisconsin-OSU-Miss State? The only matchup that even sounds close is Purdue/Army.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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completely agree

I was going to ask because it sounded strange, but SOS is not measured by winning percentage of the teams you play, but based on rankings, BCS or otherwise, right?

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:46 PM
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Who had a stronger strength

Who had a stronger strength of schedule for the last 4 games? After all, that is the reason for the optimism, right?

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
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I totally agree with you,

I totally agree with you, however neither of us are responsible for Notre Dame's level of hype. Their fanbase is going banannas over how they ended the season (Which we absolutley would be doing as well), and analysts still respect those three teams they beat at the end of the year. So in regards to the OP's question as to why everyone (with a TV show, magazine, or blog that talks about ND) thinks Notre Dame will be vastly improved, those would be two big driving factors. On top of every thing else ND has going for them coming into this year.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:27 PM
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Utah was overrated because of

Utah was overrated because of the Pitt game. Pitt was a top fifteen team and had legit talent all over the field (QB Sunseri didn't really struggle in that game, IMO) until they decided...well I have no idea what they decided other than to go 8-5 playing a BE schedule.

Utah then beat up on a bunch of weaker teams and remained undefeated, which is enough to get you really high in polls no matter who you're playing.

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:45 PM
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Why Michigan will win under the lights...

Because it's Michigan for Gods sake.

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:55 PM
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you're losing me....

Jacory harris is a pocket passer? Miami had and played 2 very scramble capable QBs, the offense is as prostyle as UM will be this year

How is Navy running the triple option almost exclusively even close to anything UM is running as a prostye offense?

So 2 losses closer to the middle of the season are more indicative of what ND's defense is going to look like than the final 4 games?  (Where they allowed less than 10 points a game,  averaged 268 yds of offense against.)

The 2 RBs you should be measuring are Jonas Gray and Cierre Wood, (#2 and #1) both of which averaged 5 or more yards per carry, though Jonas had much fewer touches.

 

Why is it all the posts and threads like this are about how ND isn't that good but none of them talk about why UM is better this year?  ND despite losing Crist for nearly half the game was still good enough to beat UM last year and nearly did.  With less than 30 secs left in the game ND marched right back down the field with one chance to throw into the endzone.

The ND team UM played in week 2 is not the team everyone is excited about, its the one that embarrassed Miami, beat USC, took down the #14 team in the country all with a true freshman QB when the team looked closer to falling off a cliff than even qualifying for a bowl game. Why is UM better this year?

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:02 PM
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GERG

Michigan should be leaps and bounds better simply by the replacement of GERG with an actually competent defensive coordinator. And Woolfolk is back so our secondary is significantly less filled with DOOM.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:13 PM
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Michigan should be leaps and

Michigan should be leaps and bounds better simply by the replacement of GERG with an actually competent defensive coordinator

That is faulty logic. Our defensive personelle is just as weak as it was last year.

Yeah we gain Woolfolk, but we also lose Mouton. Let's try to actually combat Irish's very valid points with some statistics or logic of our own, instead of throwing out weak arguments that make very little logical sense (talking to everyone in general, now, not just you).

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:43 PM
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Same personal yes, but

they are also guys who have a whole off season to improve. I think your underestimating the development that takes place in the offseason, specifically with young players. The scheme seems to fit the personal better. Not to mention Mattison is a sigfiicant upgrade at DC, and that will make an impact immediately even if it's not moumental. Individually I don't think those things would enough to make the defense sigficantly better, but colletively I think they will be enough to make the defense sigficantly better.

And no offense to Mouton since he gave his all here and could have been a better player with better coaching, but is he really that big of a loss?  He did make some big plays, but he also made just as many horrible/poor plays that were very costly.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:43 PM
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standard by now

reasons for improvement:
 - Woolfolk returns
 - Avery has experience (true freshman last year)
 - Roh not playing LB 
 - Jibreel Black no longer a true freshman, nor playing SDE where he was overmatched physically
 - Carvin Johnson not starting at OLB (at less than 200 lbs.)
 - Gordon beats out Carvin Johnson at FS (and I thought Carvin was pretty good)
 - scheme / coaching
 - actual blitz packages
 - Cam Gordon much bigger than last year
 - Full year of Demens
 - Martin/RVB/Roh/Demens/Gordon/Kovacs/Avery/Floyd all return

Against the one negative, the loss of Mouton.  We will improve significantly

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:52 PM
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These are all valid points,

These are all valid points, but it's not like Notre Dame didn't have an off-season either.  They had players that progressed and put on weight and have more experience.  They also have an All-American.

I do believe our defense will be better (how can't it be, AMIRITE??), but "offseason improvement" isn't a very valid argument for why our defense will better shut down Notre Dame, who is returning a QB and stud WR and some solid backs.

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August 29th, 2011 at 11:16 PM
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offseason improvement wasn't one of my arguments

though maybe you're directing that at someone else

And I left off one of the biggest - T/O margin.  Our long-awaited reversion to the mean will help the defense tremendously.

EDIT: also keep in mind that when talking about getting stronger in the offseason, it means more at M (and with most young teams) than it does with others.  People aren't arguing that Martin is heavier, or Molk, or even Demens or Omameh (though that boy is a beast this year).  They're arguing, or at least they should be, that Cam Gordon is much larger this year than last.  This means something b/c he was so under-sized in '10.  Same with Roh.  Size-wise, having a player get stronger and go from under-sized to average is a much bigger improvement than having and average sized player return as (still) an average sized player while just getting stronger.

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August 30th, 2011 at 10:16 AM
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I was mostly directing it at

I was mostly directing it at others.  I think the player size gains are a little overrated.  JME.   Most teams have players playing at undesirable weights and they improve over the offseason.  While Michigan has more players with room to improve, I think that advantage pales in comparison to things like They Have Manti Te'o And We Don't.

But thanks for arguing things other than "We're Michigan."  Much more intellectually stimulating to read.

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August 29th, 2011 at 11:34 PM
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Are you kidding me?

Gerg is 70% of the reason why the defense sucked last year. You don't think not giving receivers a 15 yard cushion on 3rd and 3 is going to help? Gerg is probably one of the worst DCs in all of football. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:04 PM
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USC had their back up QB

who played awful. It was in the pouring rain, mitigating SC's athletic advantage. And they had a wide open bomb that was flat dropped, or they would have won that game.

Still, the winning streak at year's end was impressive - I thought they were done after Tulsa.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:16 PM
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Sorry I don't have much

Sorry I don't have much sympathy for their 5-star senior backup QB when ND was playing their true freshman backup.  Especially since ND didn't have their #1 RB, #1 TE, #1 NT and a receiving corps limping off the buss.

USC couldn't score without starting within FG range off a Rees turnover.  Their only TD came from a fumble recovery, that drive started on the ND 1 yard line and it took them to 4th down to finally punch it in, 4 straight runs if memory serves.  ND nearly gave the game away, USC did nothing to win it themselves.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:32 PM
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Mustain was terrible

and the Rees turnovers - one might call that good defense.  ND had 296 yards of offense, USC 261.  Both teams were terrible.

From ESPN:
" Ronald Johnson
settled under the pass at the Notre Dame 15 with no defenders anywhere near him. Southern California was almost certain to beat the Irish yet again when he made an easy touchdown catch in the waning seconds of his final home game.

Only he didn't." 

You're right, USC did nothing to win it themselves.  But that only strengthens the argument that this wasn't a very impressive win.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:43 PM
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which team's true freshman QB

which team's true freshman QB gave the ball away 4 times in his own territory?  again leading to all 4 of the opponent's scores

Without ND's offense, USC didn't have one themselves

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:49 PM
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So you're saying that without

So you're saying that without ND being terrible, USC couldn't win?

That's funny, because without USC being terrible (ROJO drop), ND couldn't win.

Either way, that game is hardly an endorsement of your team. You really want us to look at that game as evidence that ND is a good team?

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:23 PM
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alright so 4 TOs = 1 dropped

alright so 4 TOs = 1 dropped pass

gotcha

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:50 PM
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So you are saying both teams

So you are saying both teams played pretty shitty with backup QBs, but ND played less shitty?  Yeah, I would be pretty pumped about that victory.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:26 PM
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No, both QBs were pretty

No, both QBs were pretty shitty, Rees was more off than Mustain, but that still the 3rd game he ever started, in that weather and at USC so I don't hold it that much against him.  It was ND's defense and running game which made the difference and that wasn't something ND has ever been able to count on against USC.

that is making a move in the right direction.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
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how did they get the 261 yards, tho?

Just 35 less than the powerhouse ND offense?  If USC's offense sucked, ND's did as well.  Which brings us back to the conclusion: an ugly game, played in the rain, both teams were terrible.  This was not an impressive win.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:28 PM
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ND wins are never impressive,

ND wins are never impressive, no one would ever allow that to happen

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
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I agree with most of what

I agree with most of what you're saying, but you are forgetting one thing about USC.  Lane Kiffin.  You should be very aware, especially from the end of the Weis era, that a terrible coach can drive a team to mediocrity quite easy.  We are also aware of this fact.  I believe that Kiffin is such a terrible coach, and USC will not see any consistant success until he is gone.

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August 30th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
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Isn't it great

Isn't it great

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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If Matt Barkley played, USC

If Matt Barkley played, USC wins by two touchdowns.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
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At least admit that Brian

At least admit that Brian Kelly is the biggest Doucher in the coaching world.  He is the smuggest bastard I have ever had the displeasure to hear speak and watching him smirk and roll his eyes on the sideline is almost entertainment.  Oh, and I forgot that lesbian (NTTAWWT) golf visor he wears all the time.  To go from fat Charlie to him is just making it too easy.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
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And...

Got away with it! Sounds like Spartys next coach to me...

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:33 PM
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UM will definitely win the

UM will definitely win the moob wet t-shirt contest this year, I can't argue that one

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:37 PM
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Haha. How long you been waiting to throw that back at us?

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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just came up with it, glad

just came up with it, glad you could laugh before it is hidden

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:21 PM
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Trying my best to un-hide it.

Trying my best to un-hide it. You've put more useful commentary on this blog than any of the people downgrading your comments. I definitely don't agree with some of your posts, but thats the point, right? I save the hate for those that deserve it most, they're called buckeyes.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:30 PM
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appreciate the assistance,

appreciate the assistance, and that is exactly the point

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August 29th, 2011 at 11:13 PM
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Seconded.

Seconded.

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August 30th, 2011 at 1:24 PM
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I know alot of people like to

I know alot of people like to ride Irish's jock because he's a opposing fan that doesn't act like a total d-bag. But he also has a pattern of throwing out "facts" that are anything but. It's usually something obscure enough that most just take it as truth. But if you actually fact check items he uses to bolster his arguments you'll find alot of make believe.

Check my post on page one for the most recent example I've happened across. 

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August 30th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
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You mean when you started

You mean when you started talking about the UM game, while everyone else was talking about the Tulsa game?  Some damn fine detective work there holmes

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August 30th, 2011 at 6:34 PM
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You're correct in this case.

You're correct in this case. I got sidetracked  and I apologize. Though there are other examples that I could dig up if desired... I prefer not to as it would seem petty.

I think part of the reason I jumped the gun here was because of another similar conversation (ND losing Crist in the UM game) which you were involved in... And you may or may not have been the one attributing more int's to Montana (while overlooking Crist's) in that conversation.

 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:48 PM
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I hate to break it to you Irish, but

Jacory Harris is absolutely a pocket passer. He had 27 total rushing yards for the entire year last year and averaged .9 yards per carry. The most carries he had in any game was 6. If that isn't a pocket passer I don't know what is, and on top of that he isn't even a good qb.  He wasn't a capable qb last year, on any level, he had a poor completion percentage and had more INT's than TD's. His backup Stephan Morris only had 75 rushing yards and his passing numbers were just as poor as Harris's. ND didn't face two capable qb's in that game, they faced two subpar QB's.Neither one is remotely comparable to Denard in terms of running ability or overall talent.

And I don't know if you have actually listened to anything either Hoke or Borges have said so far, but Michigan is not going to run nothing but pro sets. There is still some spread in the playbook and they still will have plays that take advantage of Denard's feet. If anything Michigan will most likely be running more of hybrid offense, based on the what Hoke and Borges have said mutiple times.

Most of the hype surrounding ND is based on what they did late in the year last year, but what game  was that impressive? Utah was a solid win, but Utah didn't really beat anybody of note during the year and got demolished in the their meeting with TCU. USC wasn't that good last year and was playing with their backup qb for most of the game. Miami was a pretty mediocre team as well.  With that said however, I do think that ND has a lot of talent and being the second year in a system makes a difference. Based on that I would give ND the edge on paper, but I think the atmosphere/home crowd for UM will make it closer to a tossup.

 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:58 PM
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Harris didn't play the whole

Harris didn't play the whole year and was hurt the final half of the season, Morris didn't play until the 2nd half of the year and only played 3 full games.  We're going to have to agree to disagree on their scrambling ability but I didn't and don't view either as a pocket passer.

I wasn't expecting them to run straight pro-style if anyting I expect to see denard in the shotgun almost exclusively unless he is handing the ball off.  No point in breaking off a system that worked well last year.

I am sure it will be a tight game, it nearly always is at least for a few quarters, I will be interested to see if UM fans can keep the noise up in the stadium.  Teams have been able to silence the crowd over the past few seasons, just not ND

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:03 PM
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Do you attend a lot of games

Do you attend a lot of games in Michigan stadium?

Have you been there a lot since the new structures were put up?

I hope you're there on the 10th so you can see how loud it is in person. Much louder than your 80,000 elitists. Especially that night. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:14 PM
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I haven't been back in a few

I haven't been back in a few years, haven't gotten to see if finished in person yet.  Did see it after the new press boxes went up and was really impressed.  Still planning to make it up there in a few weeks, should be a lot of fun.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:16 PM
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Yeah... now is not the time

Yeah... now is not the time to be talking of Michigan Stadium's intimidation factor.  Over the past three years I have heard and seen far too many red and green fans take over the crowd.  It hurts, but its the truth.

And I don't think the structures really make it insanely louder.  The "rabidness" (read: drunkeness) of the night game may produce a particuluarly loud crowd however.

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August 30th, 2011 at 9:33 AM
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I disagree with you...

the stadium is a LOT louder now. 

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August 30th, 2011 at 10:24 AM
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I just don't know... We've

I just don't know... We've had two years to judge it and I really think that it's slightly louder, but try to objectively compare it to other games...

Illinois '10 was rocking and was absolutely crazy.  Definitely loud.  But Wiscosin '08 was louder, to me, and there were no structures to hold in the sound.

So, do I think it is louder at a maximum "loudness"?  Yes.  Is that still 100% dependent on people making noise?  Yes.  It'll still be the Quiet House if people don't get up and cheer.  I think the push for people to be loud (and Special K spinnin da beats, Yo) has had just as much to do with noise increase as the structures.

Some empirical data would be awesome, but I've been to all games the past 5 years and based on what I've seen them measure (halftime of some game, pre-structures), I doubt we'll have meaningful data.

Plus, noise's impact on the game is drastically overstated.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
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Oh ya, and it wasn't a tight

Oh ya, and it wasn't a tight game at all in 2003, 2006, or 2007. 123-21 combined score in those three years.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:11 PM
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yeah thats why I said, at

yeah thats why I said, at least for a quarter or two

lol

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:14 PM
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Harris averaged .9 yards a carry, and had negative

rushing yards in 5 of the games he played in. Now I realize that sacks get counted into the rushing total as well, but Harris was only sacked 10 times in 10 games played, so it wasn't like a ton of negative yardage was weighing down his YPC that heavily. His career ypc is negative, he had negative 219 rushing yards in 2009, and 101 in 2008 averaging 2.2 yards a carry. I also have watched several Miami games in the last couple fo years, and Harris has looked like a pass first type and did not show much running ability in those games.  His stats and what I saw of him live indicate a pocket passer type, and quite frankly I don't see what evidence there is to indicate otherwise.

Regardless neither Harris or his backup are comparable to Denard in terms of running ability and both Harris and his backup were subpar last year. It isn't exactly impressive that ND held down two subpar QB's, nor is it a reason to think they could hold Denard down.

 

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:15 PM
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no not even close to

no not even close to comparable, no one is comparable to denard.  He is in his own category 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:29 PM
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You really would have been

You really would have been doing yourself (and the rest of us) a big favor by staying out of this one.

But since you opened your mouth, I'll field your question. 

"Why is UM better this year?"

Well, there are two interpretations of that question.

Why are we better than we were last season?

Well, for one we returned almost our entire team. All of the players who were young last season, have now played for a whole year. We FINALLY have no freshman set to start on either side of the ball. Factor that in with the addition of Troy Woolfolk, Kenny Demens (who wasn't starting against you last season), BWC (who I think is going to have a bigger impact than people think), etc and I think we will be much improved defensively.

Offensively we lit you guys up last season. Torched. Crispy. But Denard was still a first-year starter at QB. He'll be better this season. Count on it. 

We have a better coaching staff. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. Plus, people assume that these kids had to re-learn an entirely new offense this offseason. Not even close. We will be running a lot of the same plays that embarrassed your defense last season. You can count on that as well.

Oh ya, and we will be able to hit FGs this season, so that's 6 more points we could have had against you last year.

I could go on, but I think that should be enough to shut you up for an hour or so.

The second interpretation of your question is "Why are we better than ND this season?"

The answer to that question is simple: We beat you last season (and the one before that). And I don't think you have improved enough to overcome our imrpovements and the fact that the game is in our house. 

You can whine (and whine and whine and whine) about Crist getting hurt, but can you tell me how many points Crist being in the game would have been worth? How many?

Because we won by 4, but if we had any semblance of a defense we wouldn't have given up the Rudolph 95 yarder. So thats 11. Plus tow FGs we should have hit. That's 17. Was Crist worth that many points?

Sure you marched back down the field in the last 30 secs, and maybe would have scored with more time. But if there was even more time, we would have marched down your throats again too. 

If you can make excuses, then so can we. We SHOULD have blown you out last season, if only we had THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER. But football doesn't work that way. Sorry.

Anyways, I hope I answered your question.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:41 PM
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You're really going to watch

You're really going to watch the first ND drive and claim that Christ getting a concusion/figuring out some other way to impair his vision didn't have a huge effect on the game? How exactly were we going to stop them? There's a time as a football fan that you have to recognize a great performance, and Dayne Christ was certainly great on that opening drive. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:53 PM
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I am not saying that Crist

I am not saying that Crist did not look good. I'm not saying that him getting injured didn't change the game.

But trying to figure out how much it changed the game is impossible.

I saw more than one Michigan game where our Denard and our offense looked amazing on the first drive only to have the wheels fall off.

It happens. Stop feeling sorry for poor Crist and be happy that we won last year. I'm so sick of fellow Michigan fans acting EMO about our team. 

No one can predict what would have happened last year if this and that and this would have happened. Its an exercise in futility.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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It happens. Stop feeling

It happens. Stop feeling sorry for poor Crist and be happy that we won last year. I'm so sick of fellow Michigan fans acting EMO about our team.

I'm so sick of people thinking Michigan is going to be so much better this year and the reason is because "We're Michigan." Seriously, we're turning right back into the same old, entitled fan base that thinks we cannot possibly do anything but be great.

Notre Dame is going to be the favorite for this game. You can argue on Michigan's behalf without ignoring that. Recognizing that it will be a tough game and then finding reasons why Michigan can overcome the odds make for a much better argument.

Also, your point that we shredded Notre Dame last year... Um, please don't tell me you honostly think we can reproduce that? Denard had 502 yards. That is not reproducible. It is not reproducible. Do I need to repeat that?

I think the game will come down to the wire and I hope we pull it out - but acting like ND will be a pushover is sheer ignorance.

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August 29th, 2011 at 11:23 PM
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Where did I ever say ND was a pushover? Irish asked someone to say why Michigan is better this year. I answered. Complaining about Crist has nothing to do with this year's game.



If you're tired of Michigan fans who predict us to beat a team who we have beaten the last two years, at home, at night, then you should probably not be on this board.

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August 30th, 2011 at 10:30 AM
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If you're tired of Michigan

If you're tired of Michigan fans who predict us to beat a team who we have beaten the last two years, at home, at night, then you should probably not be on this board.

That's not what I said. I'm tired of Michigan fans fawning over our team before a single snap. I'm worried that we're still devastatingly weak on the defensive side of the ball. I'm worried that Hoke has a sub-.500 record and despite Mattison's recruiting wizardry, we may still be in for a long haul this season.

You said Denard would be better than last year against Notre Dame. He won't. Saying he will is ridiculous. To win this game our defense needs to find a way to stop Crist and Floyd. I'm not encouraged by that. I do predict we'll win though. I just think it's plain ridiculous to say "Denard torched you last year and will be even better this year" which is almost an exact quote.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:12 PM
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Hey Irish:

I'm impressed you came up with this 2nd account to help you in arguments you can't win on this board. I remember when you were rational and unbiased. You were a welcome voice then. Now, you can just go away (both of you) hahahahaha

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:24 PM
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You're impressed? I'm sorry

You're impressed? I'm sorry the registration process was so complicated for you. I'll send Brian an email to activate "Guest" posting to avoid any future inconvience for you. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:33 PM
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2nd, psshhh this is like #25

2nd, psshhh this is like #25 or #26, lol

 

/no not really or maybe........

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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Everyone's team has returning

Everyone's team has returning starters, everyone gets bigger and faster thats preseason hype and we all get sucked into it.

Hanging off of everything the coaches say just makes it worse.  Things like new personel (demens) and players returning from injury Woolfolk are definite reasons for optimism.  Those are solid reasons why UM should be better on defense.

Just saying that the defense is now better because its a new coaching staff doesn't have anything to back it up unless you want to use the spring game.  If you do that then its just as easy to say the offense is now just average, so its pointless.  Adding a junior LB and senior CB is a solid argument.

Yeah I think you answered my question

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:59 PM
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how did the ND defense get better

in the last 4 games of 2010?  Same personnel as the first 9, right?

They just started playing better.  Playing together, the lightbulb went on for a few guys, they learned and trusted the scheme, maybe even some better coaching/playcalling.  Or maybe they were just lucky and those last 4 teams were weak.

But you're putting faith in a defense that made improvement from week 9 to week 10 within the same season (with the same personnel), while at the same time saying it's unreasonable to expect M's defense to improve from year-to-year (with the same personnel).  This is a contradiciton.

Returning players improve, especially true and redshirt freshman.  And it appears our defensive coaching staff was about as bad as it gets.  And T/O margin.  These 3 things can lead to signficant improvement in 2011.  Martin is elite; RVB, Roh, Demens, and Woolfolk are above average.  The rest are average or a bit below (with potential for upside).  But that all adds up to a Defense ranked in the Top 75 or so - a massive improvement from 2010.

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August 30th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
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Your first paragraph is

Your first paragraph is exactly how I and just about every ND fans feels about this season, they showed they were able to play to their potential and did.

I haven't said anything about it being unreasonable that UM's defense has improved, I fully expect they have and I expect they will as the season goes on if everyone can stay healthy.  

The big difference is ND showed it on the field last year against BCS calibre opponents, we're not banking on coach speak and practice insiders.  ND played showed it in front of the whole country.

UM's defense will be better, I have no doubt.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:15 PM
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Hmm

Let me get that right the team ND fans are excited for was the one that beat USC and Miami...wasn't Rees the starter for those games? Yea he was! Who is the starter again this year? Oh ya Crist! So the excitement is still off the recruiting hype of Crist! Gotcha that makes sense!

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:17 PM
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haha yep its all recruiting

haha yep its all recruiting hype.  I don't expect either QB to be a world beater this year, hopefully they won't need to be.

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August 29th, 2011 at 8:59 PM
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Didn't ND win in AA in 2005?

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:12 PM
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Yeah, they did.

Yeah, they did. It was a really sloppy game that we should have won, but ND won 17-10. It was my second game in the Big House.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:00 PM
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Why will we win?

Because we're Michigan

 

And Denard

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:06 PM
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I wonder

I have to assume that Hoke will have the team practice under the lights a couple of times prior to the game. It will be interesting to see if lighting conditions have any effect on the types of plays that are called.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:12 PM
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Let's be honest: we were very

Let's be honest: we were very fortunate to win both of those games.  They were coinflips.  We trailed with a minute to go in each one - and the second time, it was despite the fact that ND had played without its starting QB for nearly half the game.  I don't think we can draw many useful lessons from those games, other than that Charlie Weis is a crappy game-manager and that Nate Montana is awful.  

We should be better than last year, but so will they.  They finished last season much more strongly than we did, and on a neutral field I'd give them the edge.  Given the great home atmosphere we should have, I'd say it's 50-50. 

 

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:17 PM
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Denard's smile under the

Denard's smile under the lights displayed on two enormous video boards will blind the Irish (and also will be visible in outer space). Add some Hoke pointing and there is no way we lose. Michigan 42 - Notre Dame negative 7

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
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I heard that they were going

I heard that they were going to try to communicate with alien life forms using Denards smile and the new screens at the big house.  Because theory has it that the Big House is actually a giant antenna built to bring an alien aramada in from the 5th dimension..

Unless Kelly opens up the playbook I wouldn't expect anything more than a game managed offense.  There has been almost nothing wrong with the offense in the last 4 years or so.  It was always the defense that killed the team.  The defense is loaded and is much improved, Diaco is killing it.  Denard will not have nearly the field day he had last year.  I expect NDs defense to win this game.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:31 PM
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My reasoning: we all paid too

My reasoning: we all paid too much for a ticket to lose:

Michigan -- 77

Notre Dame -- 0

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:57 PM
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$150

You got a hell of a deal

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:48 PM
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I have student tickets -- $30

I have student tickets -- $30 lol

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:59 PM
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I bet I can top you

$0 :)

got them as a birthday present from my uncle

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:34 PM
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Why we'll win

Michigan will win because they have better players and because they have better playcallers on both sides of the ball.  And our coach doesn't look like Chastity Bono on his/her way to the links.

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August 30th, 2011 at 12:41 AM
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I think Chastity Bono

Is now offically "Chaz" Bono. But....I could be wrong.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
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Speaking of notre dame-

Tate. Anyone concerned that the combo of Robinson/Tate was stronger in the short term than Robinson/Gardner, perhaps only based on experience. Tate did pull a couple games out for him, if I remember correctly.

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August 30th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
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Tate was heroic for UM

on a few occasions, and we won't forget those.  Gardner is a much better prospect overall, and if (God forbid) he had to stand in for Denard, he will do fine. 

So to answer your question, Robinson/Gardner is an upgrade in every category except experience.

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August 29th, 2011 at 9:57 PM
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Irish ....

you are nothing but a troll.  Just take your shamrock gerbil with you and leave this board, troll.

Go Blue!

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
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Irish is okay.  I don't see

Irish is okay.  I don't see him attacking anyone, just offering the ND side of the argument.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:40 PM
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Agreed, Even

though I have disagreed with him in this thread, I haven't downvoted him. I don't see anything that indicates troll, he is a good poster.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:08 PM
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I'm glad someone else is

I'm glad someone else is finally seeing Irish for what he is.

He used to be a good contributor to the board. 

But the past two years losses combined with the ND hype machine have turned him into a troll. 

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August 30th, 2011 at 9:30 AM
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Irish = Troll

 

 


blog-troll
 
 
To hide under a bridge of the information superhighway known to be travelled by your sworn enemies, waiting to pounce at an opportune moment
 

 

Please note that every time Mgoblog crosses a bridge in which nd is mentioned ... Irish (aka - nd blog-troll) has to post his perverted sense of rightousness.  Don't be fooled by the troll's cross-dressing as an "informed football intellectual" ... his purpose is still the same.

Go Blue!

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:24 PM
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hardly a troll

one of the better posters.  Including good recruiting insights.  The ND defense did look much better at the end of the year, I just don't fully trust it.  I think there's reason to question the quality of those 4 wins (and the play of the D), but he's not doing anything we wouldn't do - arguing for his team.

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August 30th, 2011 at 9:39 AM
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You need only look at my name

to see how I feel about ND.  Having said that however, I agree that Irish is one of the better posters.  As fans, we ALL have some degree of bias for our team.  Irish never comes on this board insulting us or our team.  He's not the least bit douchey (like some of our own are)...he makes logical arguments. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:15 PM
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Did I Hear?

Did I hear that UM has never beaten ND three times in a row? If so, THAT'S why we win. Gotta happen sometime.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:21 PM
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We have, but not for about a

We have, but not for about a century.  We opened the series with something like eight straight wins.

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August 29th, 2011 at 11:54 PM
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And since that beginning of

And since that beginning of the century run, there has only been one other instance of someone winning three games in a row in the series (and yes, ND did it)

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August 30th, 2011 at 8:45 AM
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And, ugh

It was 4.

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August 30th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
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it wasn't in consecutive

it wasn't in consecutive years though

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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Michigan...

will win this game. Brady and Greg Mattison will have the defense fired up, like times of old, and they will teach those golden domer s.o.b.'s what it's like to play against a defense that won't take no shit from anybody! Al will have Denard throwin' the rock all over the big house and we will (U of M fans) be very happy when we turn in for the night. After that, look out Nebraska, you just might get a cob shoved where the sun ain't shinin'...hee hee:) Bo Pelini...what a frickin' psycho!

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:21 PM
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Four verticals

vs. our secondary won't be pretty.  Kovacs is in for a nightmare.

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August 30th, 2011 at 12:19 AM
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Not sure how this is flamebait.

Cover 3 obviously doesn't work.  

We'll likely be playing some sort of 2 deep, with either man or zone underneath.  My guess is ND puts a ton of pressure on him.

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August 30th, 2011 at 9:59 AM
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"Kovacs is in for a nightmare"

Kovacs is a solid contributor on this D, much to the chagrin of those who value recruiting stars over heart and effort.  Kovacs will start on the D until he graduates.  He made a lot of clutch plays for us last year, and will have an even better year in the new system. 

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August 30th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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Not disagreeing

But this is the worst possible matchup for him.

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:46 PM
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I think victory for michigan

I think victory for michigan is going to hinge completely on how well the defense has improved from last year. if they can hold notre dame to say 28 points or less i think michigan wins. denard will have another big game, i doubt it will be 500 yards big but i fully expect the coaching staff to use a ton of spread for this game. lots of denard carries and he will get his yards on the ground. as of right now i'd favor notre dame. if i were making a line i'd set them as a -4 or -5 favorite. we'll have a much better idea of what notre dame is going to be about after this weekend. i think we won't know as much about michigan though, as i expect michigan to keep the playcalling fairly vanilla. notre dame may do the same but i'd expect them to have to show a bit more as south florida is a fair amount better than western. 

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:47 PM
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Why must we win?

I'm not looking forward to the meltdown if we lose.

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August 30th, 2011 at 3:09 PM
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UM's season will not be over

UM's season will not be over if ND wins, UM can win or lose any their games this year

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August 29th, 2011 at 10:54 PM
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...

Why don't we just see what both teams look like coming out of week 1?  Anybody can make random predictions based on selective evidence from last year.  Let's not forget that Crist got knocked out pretty early in the game last year.  If he's in the game, we probably don't win.

Anything can happen.  Just enjoy the season.

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August 30th, 2011 at 12:12 AM
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ND should win

Kelly is in the second year of the spread with ND; it's always better than the first year.  Michigan is in the first year of a new offense.  Even if Greg Mattison somehow gets the defense as good as ND's will be, ND should win on offense alone.  

If Michigan beats ND this time around, it probably means they are good enough to win ten or eleven this year.  I hope all of you who think MIchigan beats ND this year are right, because it will mean there is a much better season in store than most people think.  

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August 30th, 2011 at 1:11 AM
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There is zero basis for this belief

Purdue went 9-3 in Tiller's first year (6-2 in the Big Ten) and he never had a better record there.  Before that they had gone 13 seasons without making a bowl game.  That Oregon team that smoked us in 2007 was playing its second game with Chip Kelly as OC (a year after going 7-6).  Notre Dame was great on offense right away under Charlie Weis and didn't get any better in year two (and was shitty in year three).

There is no special progression for playing in a spread or any other type of offense.  It is always about the players.  ND might improve as Crist gains experience, but so will Michigan (and our guy's ceiling is much, much higher).

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August 30th, 2011 at 3:05 PM
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I'll have whatever you're

I'll have whatever you're smoking man, because I wish I could believe that going from a pure pro style offense to a no huddle spread is a summer camp installation, and that's the end of the road.

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August 30th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
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Offense alone, I don't know

Offense alone, I don't know if I would go that far myself

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August 30th, 2011 at 6:37 PM
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Really?

Like the last 2 years where a win over ND led to such great things? Would love to see a W but would in no way equate that to a likelihood of winning 10-11 games.

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August 30th, 2011 at 6:32 AM
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Just then, Dave Brandon got a

Just then, Dave Brandon got a wonderful idea. Dave Brandon got a wonderful, AWFUL idea. WE'LL PLAY ON THE MOON, he thought. WE'LL PLAY ON THE MOON WITH CURLY FRIES GALORE!

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August 30th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
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There was once a time where

There was once a time where Irish could post legitimate thoughts on here and not be negged and yelled at.  I miss that.

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