I was just watching the BYU-Washington game and washington would every once in a while would put the rb in one position, put him in motion to the exact opposite side and then hike it. Now i know the michigan offense can run either way with the read option (qb and rb threat) but couldn't this still add an extra element of confusion to the defense. Instead of them being able to analyze what they want to do exactly before the snap, they would have to reanalyze it. Its not much, but i thought it was a neat little thing that washington used that could easily be implemented.
Why don't we use more RB movement?
There is so much in our play book that we have not even shown yet. There are a bunch of motion packages that will make its way in sooner or later. I wouldn't worry too much about RB motion. Our offense is predicated on getting athletes in space and putting a hat on a hat .
There is so much in our play book that we have not even shown yet.
This is so true. If you were to go back and watch RR's games at WVU, you would be literally shocked at how limited the playbook that he is running currently still is. The WVU offense had a ton of backfield motion and I've seen very little of this so far at Michigan. It'll come with time.
pulls out the RB motion it could get sick real fast. Putting a RB in motion like Oregon does is the equivalent of the zone read on speed.
However I would like to see some triple option soon.
I thought we did show our version of the triple option. Denard can either hand it off, keep it or throw a swing pass to the slot.
That's not the triple option. That's just the basic zone read play.
The triple option is where he has the option of handing it off to one back on a dive, keeping it, or pitching it to a RB/slot receiver behind him.
What we did last Saturday though basic worked pretty damn well. Wrinkles are added only when what your doing isn't working also known as half time adjustments. Also it helps that Denard Robinson is the QB we are hiking it to.
The benefit of the read option is that you can read the defense at the snap, then based on what the DE and LBs do, you can either hand it off or run. If you move the RB outside, the play becomes a pass-or-run play instead of a pass-or-run-or-run play.
That said, it can be incorporated to help determine a man or zone based defense pre-snap (based on if a LB follows the RB outside) for pass plays, or create a one man advantage in the flats for screens and the like. It just depends on what type of play call we have going at the time.
... we have enough movement in our defensive secondary.
I think we'll see some of this as the season goes along. There will be wrinkles added, and as Denard gains more experience, we can start adding new things. Plus it might already be in the playbook, but there was really no reason to start fooling UConn with stuff like that - we ran for 300 yards and beat them by 20 with a very vanilla offense.
If our OL can push the DL 5 yards back on every QB rush up the middle, there's no need to do anything fancy. Keep the powder dry.
I have a feeling we are going to be seeing a lot more of the offense this week. The first game was a lot of new for everyone and they did what they needed to win. Expect more variation this week.
I didn't see the game, but Washington is probably doing it once they see which side has the 3 tech and the 1 tech to run where they want. The pistol backfield is the same idea. Don't declare until immediately before snap, if at all. Some defenses decide where to align interior linemen based on the RB, assuming you're talking about a Gun Near/Gun Far situation.
This is not a big factor in the M offense. We don't declare the ball on the snap. Most run plays have options built in so the defense picks its poison in-play.
Ah i see. But yes that is what i'm talking about. Switching what side the RB is on...not putting him in motion to be in a wr position.
If you look at the youtube Slaton Devine White era highlight vids you can see a lot of added wrinkles to the base RichRod spread. Against UConn, with that sort of success...well, why bother. It will be interesting to see if RichRod needs to add much or if he just dares ND to load the box to stop Denard...then cue the fireworks.
jet sweep. I'm sure that we'll see it at some point.
opened the offensive playbook against UCONN Saturday. ND will see the expanded version on Saturday.
By the way, wasn't last Saturday a fabulous day?
Now i know the michigan offense can run either way with the read option (qb and rb threat)
There are actually (at least) three ways to go on the basic zone read option (i.e. two sets of reads) that RR's system runs: give, keep, pass. We've seen very little of the third option since he came to Michigan, but did see a little of it in the limited film released from camp this year. The pass option is going to be the absolutely killer of the three options with Denard at QB as the CBs are going to be crashing hard to stop his running game.
With a somewhat similar playbook, what Florida does is start the RB behind the QB (almost like an exaggerated pistol, and just before the snap the RB motions to one side of the QB, mitigating the amount of time the defense has to respond to which side he is lined up on. RR will have some of these same things installed when he needs it. Until then I think he's just playing it fairly basic because he can.
RR's playbook isn't overly complex, you're not going to see tons of motion and sweeps and options yet. Denard needs to really get better at the zone read. I know he couldn't run it well last year, and though he looks good this year, he's still not great at it. Once he can do that, they can add pitches and other things in. (The offense knows them just doesn't use them tbh)