this may be of some local interest
I reject your premise
I accept his premise, but reject his reality.
I reject both the premise and conclusion of this argument....but am unwilling to do the requisite research to back my rejection.
I accept your assertion.
I reject his reality and substitute my own.
I don't. He's right.
I don't see 20,000 red shirts here
Most of the visitors tickets are in the south end zone, which is cut off in this photo.
But I sit in the SW corner, and I can report that there were no more than a few thousand Ohio fans in the South end zone, tops.
Maybe not this year (they knew what was coming), but in '07 and '09 they were Legion. My guess is that those years were an aberration.
But those weren't seats that UofM reserved for Ohio fans. Michigan fans, who weren't anxious to see their team get its ass kicked, sold their tickets to Ohio fans, who WERE anxious to witness said ass-kicking.
Stupid free market principles...
Not to mention the movement of season ticket holders which forced a larger allotment to the public, which Ohio ate up because, well, Ohio.
This has already been discussed umpteen times. So what comes after "umpteen"? "Eleventy-seven"?
Look, the game in 2009 featured the most remarkable number of Ohio State visiting fans I have ever seen in 30 years of going to the games. And there was a reason. It wasn't faithless Michigan fans. But you are partly right, it was "the marketplace."
What happened was that in 2009, the Athletic Department was hitting the zenith of its season-ticket "banking" program. Wherein every season ticket that was turned in, for several years, was not re-sold as a season ticket to a Michigan fan. Instead, season tickets were banked by the Athletic Department and sold as one-year-only package tickets.
The reason was that, by attrition, the Athletic Department was trying to assmeble enough spare seats to be able to widen the aisleways and expand handicapped seating in the main bowl. As you probably know, the overall Stadium renovation involved a significant net loss of seats in the main bowl, which was slightly more than overcome by new seating as club seating and boxes in the two new concourses.
Result -- in 2009, Michigan had thousands of banked seats, scattered all over the Stadium. They were released to the public, and to a great extent gobbled up by ticket brokers. Who then sold them at profit to anybody willing to pay. Ohioans liked that opportunity, and bought them.
I know what you are thinking; goddamned facts. It was such a better story, when we thought that Michigan fans had given up...
But all of the OSU fans sitting around me in 2009 were sitting in the seats of season ticket holders who did not go to the OSU game. Not sure how that fits into your theory.
I'm looking forward to your diary post, featuring interviews with those same faithless season ticket holders, that might give us something to extrapolate to 15,000 other people.
In the realm of "anecdotal," since I too saw OSU fans in the Section 1 tunnel, I was curious enough to politely ask, "Hey, these are some good seats you got; how'd you get them?" One group of four [four ladies all in their forties, it turned out] said that their boss had gotten them from a ticket broker. Another pair of guys [these guys were great; wearing authentic OSU away jerseys (one was a Katzenmoyer jersey, I think) and Appalachian State ballcaps] told me the same thing, except more explicitly; how they had gotten them from a ticket broker way before the season had begun. Around me, I saw a number of OSU fans in seats that I knew to be "banked," and virtually none of the season ticket holders had given their tickets up. As is often the case, including with my own self, there are also large numbers of season ticket holders who bring, as their guests, their own friends from the opposition schools...
You recognize the same people who sit in them game after game. In my row and the rows in front of and behind me, I identified at least 14 Buckeyes who were sitting in seats normally occupied by people I either knew or had identified as season ticket holders - and I did not see the season ticket holders. I think it's reasonable to believe that if someone was at every game but the OSU game, in the same seats, they were a season ticket holder, and those season ticket holders either gave their seats to OSU fans, sold their seats to OSU fans, or sold them via a ticket broker to OSU fans.
I'm not saying your account is wrong; I'm just saying that in the area I could observe, it wasn't the case.
Incidentally, I first became a season ticket holder that season so it's not like they banked all of the available season tickets that year.
Exactly. That game in particular had the most away fans I've seen ever, ever. It was like a Red Wings Coyotes game in Phoenix.
They didn't just save those seats for the last game. Yet we weren't overrun by Notre Dame fans, which is closer. Or Penn State fans, who had come off their first win against Michigan in a long time, so if ever there was a time to visit. Or by Michigan fans who would finally get an opportunity to see their team when they've normally been shut out. Who bought all those "one year only package deals" you mention? All Ohio State fans, for that one game?
You need to know the difference between "facts" and "theory." But even if that theory was correct, there was a reason all those tickets were snatched up by Ohio fans and not Michigan fans. Hint: it wasn't because they have more money to spend, it was because only one team thought they had a prayer of winning.
Where do you get your numbers?
Has a link to gameday housing which is what you want basically.
Is that you?
Dammit. You seem like exactly the kind of people I'd like to surrender my house to, but unfortunately I'm tied up that weekend helping a Nigerian email friend move some money around and he might need a place to stay. Next time.
EDIT: Reply to poster directly above me
Her buggy sunglasses totally give her away
Where do you get that information from? I've been to every home game in the Ohio-Michigan rivalry since 1977 and have yet to see the designated Buckeye seating area ever be large enough to accomodate 15-20000 truckdrivers. The seating for those opposing fans has been moved, over the years, from the NE corner to the SW corner and then primarily to the upper reaches of the South End Zone, but never has there been nearly that many seats set aside for "them".
OTOH, waaaaaay too many Michigan ticket holders allow their seats to fall into the hands of Ohio fans, a mistake I would never make with my tickets.
My first job out of residency was at OSU. I had season football tickets and used to root for whoever was playing against them. As a season ticket holder I was able to buy away tickets to the Michigan game. The application for the away tickets stated there were only 5000 available. That was back in the Cooper era so even though I had the lowest priority I still got tickets in 1991.
First lesson: Wolverines do not refer to other people as Walmart Wolverines.
Tread lightly, young padawan
Call me Donnie from The Big Lebowski, but I seem to be missing something in this response.
This was not the comment he replied to... It was there a few hours ago. Not sure where it went. Never seen that before lol
If you get into Michigan my degree is fucked.
I live in Lansing. Also, you're hurting my soul a little bit. I'mma need you to dial the amp back from 11.
/That movie was made 16 years before you were born.
I'm looking for a picture to compare the south endzone at the big house during THE GAME vs. our section down in Columbus. So far I can't find any pics.
It was more than a few thousand as well this year as well. They had about 15-20 of the top rows between the luxury suites and a big section down by the field as well. I believe, they also got a small section in the north endzone too.
Class of '05, LS&A. And if you don't mind my saying so, you've got some serious growing up to do before you hit campus.
I'm going to make your account vanish in a few minutes, so yeah.
The banhammer cometh.
First learn how to hit the "reply" button.
edit: How ironic. I replied to the 16-year old, and his account was deleted, making it appear that I do not know how to reply.
That's the best part of caving people:
Post: "I enjoy Michigan football"
Apparent response "Go die in a fire you racist bastard"
I think I've figured out why everyone in this thread is responding to the wrong person. Not a conversation to come late to!
The ones by the field in the southendzone were sold by the athletic department unless everyone in section 15 in the first 20 rows decided to sell their tickets.
Big Ten rules is 3,000 allotted tickets but the university's have a gentlemens agreement on 4,000. That is the only info I could find online in a lazily tired google search. I think you are confusing allotment and season ticket holders selling off their tickets.
Edit: Thank you
Kids these days.
Yeah, a young gentleman has been caved, so if there are some incongruous responses in this thread, that's why.
because if not, I'd have some serious concerns about the mushrooms on that pizza I ate earlier
Am I alone in thinking there was more red at the Nebraska game than Ohio this year? I understand the reason why, but just wondering if I'm the only one who noticed it.
Also, the comments in this thread are very hard to follow with all the deleting and editing. I must've missed something special.
For whatever reason, demand was light for that game and there were a lot of tix on the secondary market. A couple days before the game, you could get tickets below face on stubhub.
I had a couple extra for that game and I eventually gave them away right before kickoff. Perhaps it was becuae Nebraska was behind ND and Ohio in the "Big 3" ticket package they gave away last year?
If Ohio has 15-20K in the stands, it's not our athletic department's doing. It's due to some of our season-ticketholders selling off their tickets to Ohio fans. The actual visitor's allotment is much smaller than that, just a few thousand.
Regarding MSU, what you write is not very accurate - we always have a lot of fans in Spartan Stadium, certainly no fewer than they get in Michigan Stadium. My friend was at the 2009 game there, when we were 4-0 and MSU 1-3, and we had a huge contingent of fans that day - a ton of MSU fans had sold off their tickets to us that year.
Not many Michigan fans make it to Ohio Stadium, but it's not a ticket distribution issue. It's more of a "Their fans are violent drunken thugs" issue.
I can assure you your number is incorrect. My understanding is that the number is 5000 between schools. I know for a fact that Wisconsin only give us 3000 so we only give them that back.
I have had disucssions about this with the AD and that is what they told me.
Im confused. It's hard to spout my usual hate when I can't follow the posts.
People aren't missing the point. The OP is mistaken. We do not allot that many tickets to opposing teams. He is assuming that just because a lot of Ohio fans made it in in 2009 and other years that the AD actually gave them all those seats.
The "problem" is a simple matter of supply and demand - we have 109,901 tickets floating around for every game, more than any other school, so if demand from Michigan fans isn't that strong (which was the case before the '09 Ohio game, which people figured would be an embarrassment), supply for the visitors (via Stubhub) goes up.
So who got the ban hammer in this thread? It might have looked like the athletic department sold 20,000 visitor tickets during the Rodriguez era.
shouldn't be missed you'll still have 109,899 left
Man, after getting here late I nominate this for most confusing thread of the year.
There was a Sparty newby troll here last night that was basically spamming this thread with his non-sense and talking about walmart wolverines. He could barely even type a full sentence. His posts were all of course voted down and disappeared in the middle of the night. There is part of the confusion.
lol someone went through all my posts and downvoted them. That's classy.
I am sure complaining about it will help.
Yee! Here therr be trollin' on the seas! Arr!
We have a fair number of seriously old alums in my section who seem to show up for most of the early season games, but come November, their tickets are occupied by others, sometimes Michigan fans, sometimes not. I have often wondered if they just don't like the cold weather. For what it is worth, you often see a large number of MSU fans in attendance when they play in Ann Arbor..
If you read our ticket policy on away tickets (which I believe comes with the season tickets, but MGoBlue would have this up as well somewhere), you would get the sense that there is no way the allotments would be more than a few thousands seats pretty much anywhere you go. At my giving level, I am "offered" two tickets to ND, Nebraska and Ohio (I don't have any paperwork on it at my desk right now, so I will check it later), and no guarantee that said offer will be fulfilled in the end. It's likely very similar at other schools, I imagine. Actually, I think Ohio's ticket policy - based on a conversation with a colleague who is an alum of that school - is that students are offered one ticket as part of their package and that they basically tell alums and faculty to contact the host school.
are u going to the nebraska game?? .... :-D
To the OP - sorry to hijack your post, but at this point why not.
Here's a link to the 2012 football ticket pack and individual ticket info.
Mods: If posted already please delete, delete, delete
Others: if deemed worthy please start a new post with this nugget of information as I do not have enough points to do so.
Again, sorry to hijack but anything football related helps us all through this dry period.
It's summer and things are sloooooooow, so FWIW here's a link to CFNs 2012 preseason bowl picks.
It's done in 3 parts and spoiler alert...Michigan is tabbed for the Capital One Bowl.
Please start a new post if worthy. Thanks!
i see a lot of posts about tickets here and elsewhere on the site. I only bought the student package the first year. Every other year we just bought them at the game (including when we were in HS) in the street or from another student that couldn't go. For ND and Ohio I had to buy a few more to resell to cover my cost. We did the same thing at away games.