The title says it all. Various internet outlets have said he was healthy yet didn't travel with the team but little other info has come out since. I didn't see anything on the board about it nor have I read any remarks from the coaching staff. Is this related to his incident in April for which he was later cleared? His presence would not have made a difference but he could still prove to be a solid contributor for this team. Does anyone have any insight into why he was left home?
I doubt it was a legal thing,
I just find it odd that we
I just find it odd that we made it all the way to Tuesday night without any explanation for his absence when he was supposed to be our starting kickoff returner alongside Norfleet. He has great speed and was an excellent special teams player for us last year. With our secondary depth now suddenly less than what it was four days ago, it would be nice to have him around to contribute.
And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan
If I were the coach and it
If I were the coach and it was legal related, i wouldn't say anything unless it was absolutely obvious, as was the case for Frank Clark and Fitz Toussaint.
Touchdown Michigan!
I believe Hoke simply said he
I believe Hoke simply said he didn't make the trip when someone asked. Haven't heard much else.
and the tone in which he answered
and the tone in which he answered that question I think says more than the answer itself.
I think Rothstein said that
I think Rothstein said that 'it wasn't injury related'... he said read into that whatever you want..
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I think he's normally the
I think he's normally the gunner on punt coverage and Countess was playing in his place. So yeah, it could have made a big difference. Hopefully he's just dinged up and not in the dog house again.
I'm on my phone, which makes
I'm on my phone, which makes checking this more of a hassle, but I think Hoke said that Countess would have been there regardless.
Hoke said Countess is a
Hoke said Countess is a starting gunner so he wasnt in for Furman.
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Hoke has stated that Countess
Hoke has stated that Countess is normally the gunner on punt coverage.
Well
He went to the Big House. There wasn't anyone there, so he went to Alabama. How was he supposed to know that Michigan was playing Alabama in Dallas?
I know this probably means
I know this probably means very little to you or anyone, but thanks for the good laugh.
I lol'd. Well played,
I lol'd. Well played, sir.
I'd say the most likely reason is a disciplinary issue, but team rules as opposed to a legal thing. Being late for curfew is a good guess. The best guess, of course, is that we won't find out from Hoke.
I heard he missed curfew.
I heard he missed curfew.
Same thing I heard.
Same thing I heard.
Now if you guys heard it from
Now if you guys heard it from the same source, that's not so good.
"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."
I heard the same thing but it
I heard the same thing but it was from the guy who posted two spots above you. Does that count?
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Well, if you read news
Well, if you read news anywhere from any source on the internets its supposed to be true so, yes, that definitely counts.
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I heard
he was boinkin' some chick and that's why he missed curfew......
I made that up but it still might be true
Sounds like a good reason so
Sounds like a good reason so I choose to believe it.
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He was listed as the #1 guy
He was listed as the #1 guy on the 'chart for KR. I think we can all conclude we found our guy in Norfleet.
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Norfleet was fine in KR
Norfleet was fine in KR duties, but if we have yet to see Furman, how can we "all concluded we found our guy?"
I know it's a different
I know it's a different animal but I would love to see Norfleet in at punt returner.
"we found our guy"
I liked what I saw from Norfleet as potential from a freshman in his first game, so I don't want this to sound critical of Norfleet, but it's not like he was extremely successful. He has a lot speed, but he will need to actually look for cuts at some point. He averaged 22 yards a return.
For comparison, Tay Odoms averaged 21 yards a return* and I don't think anyone would watch his returns and say he's obviously "the guy" to return kicks for any team.
*obvious caveats about kickoffs from 35 vs. 30
But this was Bama
Our blocking on Kick Returns was awful, there were usually about 4-6 unblocked guys everytime. I thought Norfleet did a great job and I'm willing to bet he scores at least 1 touchdown on a KR this year.
You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.
They're both the starting returnmen...
Furman and Norfleet will both be back on KOs...my assumption is that typically Norfleet will get the ball but if they're going "left" and "right" then Furman should get his fair share.
As for punt return. Norfleet is #2 behind Gallon.
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
Hoke says:
“I don’t need to take you through a process. I just resolved it.”
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
I like the way Hoke has been
I like the way Hoke has been handling these disciplinary issues. It would have been easy for him to start Toussaint on Saturday, but he knows that these aren't just football players. I like his style. Definitely keeping Michigan classy.
"I'm Harmon Tedesco, best goddamn placekicker in the whole continental world."
Which Saturday?
Easy to start Toussaint this Sat or last Sat?
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
I just wish Hoke would give a
I just wish Hoke would give a truthful answer here and not hide something by being vague. What's he hiding?
Nothing. It is best for
Nothing. It is best for local media to know as little as possible, especially the Freep.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
Hoke is clearly straight from
Hoke is clearly straight from the School of Schembechler.The media isn't given what they don't need to know.
I can understand how this would be agitating in the world of social media, but it's got it's pluses. If Furman's got personal reasons that he couldn't make the trip, then maybe it's not anyone outside of Schembechler Hall's business to know. Takes some pressure off Furman that the outside world doesn't know his problems.
Not saying Furman currently has problems. Just speaking hypothetically.
It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk
Even then
Furman's a grown man. It's between him and the coaches (but let's not stop the speculation).
Man ball. Formerly, somebody else.
I think it was like an A Team thing
Furman was heard to say, "I ain't flying on no airplane!" just before the trip.
Milk
But did anyone tried to trick him with a spiked glass of milk. B.A. style.
Try toast points next time.
Try toast points next time.
Missed curfew? Sounds about right.
Rest of team will likely MAKE curfew the rest of the season.
You know, this game was
You know, this game was probably the perfect one to use for all of our punishments. Hold guys out of a game we likely wouldn't have won with the, yet they still learn their lesson.
Looking at this at an
Looking at this at an educational or parental level.....sometimes Coach Hoke is protecting his players from both the media and the fans. We are making speculation here, but we cannot destroy Furman's character because of whatever he did because we honestly don't know what he did. For example, if a friend of the family asked why my son was grounded for a reason unknown to this friend, I would not feel obligated to tell this friend. It would be between me and my son. Coach Hoke does view these young men as family and mentors them in fatherly manner.
I don't necessarily like that I don't know what Furman did to not travel, but I'm willing to live with it.
“Jug security is always at a premium.”
I like not knowing as much
I like not knowing as much information in this case. Since Toussaint and Clark were already out for disciplinary reasons, it was one less piece of bad press I had to read before the game.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
Why didn't Josh Furman Travel?
Because he's smart and is saving his money for retirement. #antijoke
Furman was being economical
Furman was being economical and opted for the staycation
Answer to OP:
Because he didn't move his pivot foot when he picked up his dribble?
*wh wh*
Is this thing on?
why ask why? Try Bud Dry..
this thread
has hurt my brain.
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Groin injury
Groin injury
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The previous two posts
Are funny together.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
Isn't it possible that
Isn't it possible that Furman, who hasn't played a meaningful snap on defense in 2 years, and isnt' on a defensive depth chart, isn't one of our best X number of guys?
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I'm not the world's biggest
I'm not the world's biggest Josh Furman fan, but I'm guessing he would have been more useful than Drake Johnson, Joe Reynolds, etc. and they traveled to the game.
Teams usually take 70 guys to away games; he's likely one of the best 70. This almost certainly wasn't about the depth chart.
Furman violated the Guy Code.
It was a major infraction of Article 1: "Bros before Hoes".
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I doubt it was a legal thing, or he would have been announced with Fitz and Clark, right? If the coach kept three guys home because of legal issues, why would he only announce two of them? This is a tough one, but I don't think that's the issue.