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Why are we favored vs Illinois?

We are 3 point favorites this weekend, apparently even after J.T. Floyd's injury, which surprised me.  Illinois, after stomping Indiana and Purdue the last two weeks, appears to be a much better team than we are.  They also destroyed Penn State earlier in the year.  Obviously our defense is in shambles and may be even more so after losing Floyd.  We haven't been able to stop anyone, including an FCS team and a walk on QB.  Yes, our offense has been moving the ball incredibly well, but it has also been prone to turnovers and inconsistency.

Anyway, I don't intend to convey pessimism; quite the contrary - I'm wondering whether this spread indicates some reason for optimism.  What does the gambling public know that I'm missing?  What have people seen that make them say, "I'm putting my hard-earned cash on Michigan"?  Just curious what people think...

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November 3rd, 2010 at 10:57 PM | Idk... (Score:1)
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The only explanation I can come up with is that we have been competitive in most of our games despite abhorrent play in multiple phases of the game.  Maybe Vegas thinks that at some point we will get SOMETHING right and manage to make a game of it.

"And they'll never catch him!"

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November 3rd, 2010 at 10:58 PM | Because we're going to (Score:1)
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Because we're going to fucking win!!!

I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:18 PM | +1 (Score:1)
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+1

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:20 PM | . (Score:1)
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Because we have been saving up our Dilithium for the last 5 games and we are going to give it to the D. They are going to come out and stop Illinios 5 times in the game giving us a 2 TD win. YES

- Go Blue -

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:34 PM | I admire your (Score:1)
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I admire your optimism.

Unfortunately I'm at a point where I no longer share it.

I don't think we beat Illinois.  If we win, I will be more thrilled than I ever have about being wrong.

 

CJK5H

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November 4th, 2010 at 9:26 AM | and about beating Illinois.  (Score:1)
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and about beating Illinois. 

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia - but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:56 PM | Not allowed to give + yet (Score:1)
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But if I could +1 for you!!!

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November 3rd, 2010 at 10:59 PM | Well I can see why the line (Score:1)
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Well I can see why the line might stay the same even with Floyd's injury.  Once you are bad enough, there isn't much of a real drop-off.  I mean, one undersized, slow cornerback giving a reciever a 15 yard cushion and having trouble tackling isn't much different than any other. 

That said, you are right- I would make Illinois 7 point favorites on Michigan, and even then I might take money on Illinois to cover.  I just question this defense's ability to stop anyone, period, and at this point I think their confidence has to have taken a shot to the gut.  Unless we see a Michigan team we haven't seen this year, I don't see how they beat Illinois without a lot of help from Illini mistakes.

BA 2009 LSA

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:15 PM | Sounds like you should be in (Score:1)
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Sounds like you should be in vegas making a very large wager right now.

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:13 AM | Good idea (Score:1)
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I was in Vegas today for work and after rubbing my eyes in disbelief after seeing the line in the spoortsbook, I quickly put down 200 on Illinois. I am flying out for the game and am hoping to lose that money, but if I don't I at least will recoup some of my ticket money. And if Michigan wins by 2 I will buy a round for some worthy bar patrons after the game

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November 4th, 2010 at 9:27 AM | I don't know if I should neg (Score:1)
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I don't know if I should neg you for betting against Michigan or pos-bang you for flying all the way to Ann Arbor for the game.  Lets call it a wash.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia - but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:25 PM | IDK (Score:1)
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I sent every players "O let it do it" song and told them to listen to it for a week . They now are making plays all day and finally got some swag that we needed so bad . We are going to do it this saturday at noon . 2 picks this game I'm calling it

- Go Blue -

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:00 PM | Because orange (Score:1)
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isn't a flattering color.

Sportscenter.com raves: Sgt. Wolverine, "Michigan's biggest fan"!

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:00 PM | No Clue (Score:1)
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Illinois is going to beat us like a drum.

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November 4th, 2010 at 9:31 AM | Faith (Score:1)
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"the team, the team, the team"

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:01 PM | Number of people gambling on (Score:1)
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Number of people gambling on that game and don't watch michigan football > number of people gambling on that game that watch michigan football

GO BLUE

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:04 PM | If that's really the reason, (Score:1)
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If that's really the reason, then if it were emotionally possible for me to bet against Michigan (which it is not), then I'd be putting a lot of money on Illinois +3.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:02 PM | Vegas knows what's up. We are (Score:1)
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Vegas knows what's up. We are going to FSU this weekend.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:05 PM | FSU would probably beat us (Score:1)
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FSU would probably beat us even worse.  (See what I did there.)

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:00 AM | I see what you did there.... (Score:1)
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November 4th, 2010 at 10:01 AM | Nightmare (Score:1)
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Bert always scared the crap out of me.  He was like that really creepy uncle no one ever talked about.  I will sleep with my light on tonight.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:07 PM | Home Field (Score:1)
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Home Field Advantage

Denard

Top 10 Offense

Our helmets have wings

Brock - Strive for the impossible

Adidas - impossible is nothing

Life's a game of Inches

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:08 PM | Its simple really... (Score:1)
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iI we are -3, then we are actually even. All home teams in FBS are given 3 pts against the spread.

Heeeyyy Wassa Matta?

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:13 PM | Wait... but i thought we were (Score:1)
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You beat me to the fsu joke.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:17 PM | I heard the same thing about the home team. (Score:1)
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if it's a toss up then Vegas will give the home team a 3pt advantage.   it has something to do with what we have seen on this board.  People will see the three points given to UM and put money down on Ill.  this way Vegas gets money down on UM and Ill.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:17 PM | The Vegas line (Score:1)
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is based on betting tendencies.  The early prediction is that more people will bet on Michigan on an even line.  I have a feeling it may drop in Illinois' favor as the week progresses.

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:27 PM | This (Score:1)
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There's generally more action on teams like Michigan. You want to get an even split of bettors, not an exact correct prediction. More people bet on Michigan than Illinois.



Remember, we started off almost a TD favorite vs. MSU.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:20 PM | Because the people in Las Vegas are stoned (Score:1)
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Michigan's offense is a reduction of Oregon. It's defense is Youngstown State to the 3rd power.

Illinois is basically a reduced by 10 Ohio State on both sides of the ball.

The game is in Ann Arbor, but the down in fronters will be enjoying too much fondue and chardonay to raise their voices in support. Oh, and they want Rodriguez fired.

Do the math.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 11:41 PM | Simple. We are favored because (Score:1)
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more people will bet on Michigan because of reputation and loyalty. Vegas tries to set a line to attract the same amount of money on each side of the bet. It is the Michigan premium that expands when it is not a big game. It has very little to do with who some guy running the book in Vegas thinks is the better team.

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:05 AM | The 'line' has nothing to do with who Vegas thinks will win... (Score:1)
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Yooper is correct, the line is simply the balance point for bets on either side.  You have to be careful using the line to help you pick winners...  3 points for home team, but I think fanbase also has a lot to do with the line...  There are a lot of Michigan fans betting to offset all of the realists who likely see this leaning Illinois' direction.

Anyone have  a good link to a Vegas prediction site?  I know Vegas does a lot more analysis than anyone else, and there is good info if you know where to find it...  Cowherd talks about it, but I haven't found anything useful in my limited effort...

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:32 AM | You, sir, are absolutely (Score:1)
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You, sir, are absolutely correct!  Simply put, more money moves on Michigan and the books take that into account when setting the line.  Kinda makes ya wonder what in the hell us michigan fans are betting on...

 

Props to yooper and bosch.  Nice work fellas.

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November 4th, 2010 at 5:50 AM | This sounds fine in theory, (Score:1)
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This sounds fine in theory, but if it were actually true, there would be a lot more professional sports bettors making a killing picking against Michigan and Ohio State and Florida week after week.

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November 4th, 2010 at 8:02 AM | icking against Michigan and Ohio State and Florida (Score:1)
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I think that the pros have made much more money betting against Michigan than against OSU and Florida over the last three years.


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November 4th, 2010 at 10:17 AM | This sad but true fact makes (Score:1)
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This sad but true fact makes me truly sad.

Damn you and your logically logical logic!  I had almost been convinced we could win this weekend.  I guess we still could.  I'll let you guys know if I see any pigs drinking redbulls.

"I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do...isn't very nice."--Wolverine

SNIKT!

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:00 AM | Maybe even the outsiders see (Score:1)
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Maybe even the outsiders see us turning the corner soon.  Plus RR needs this one badly.

"Only fat people wear hawaiian shirts in Tennessee" -co worker

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November 4th, 2010 at 8:11 AM | As the last few years of (Score:1)
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As the last few years of Michigan football have shown, needing to win a game badly has no discernable impact on whether or not Michigan actually wins.  I don't think we need to run down last year's list of games Michigan "needed".  I hope the defense gives a great performance and turns the corner, but I don't see it in the cards this week.

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:11 AM | Maybe I am a hopeless (Score:1)
BlueTimesTwo
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Maybe I am a hopeless optimist, but I still think we will beat Illinois.  Scheelhaase is mistake-prone, especially playing on the road.  Yes our defense still allows a lot of third down conversions, but Scheelhaase has thrown some horrid picks this year on third down plays.  They have a good defense, but we have been able to move the ball and score on good defenses this year.  If we can come out aggressive on both sides of the ball, we can get some early momentum, and come away with the win.

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:40 AM | Because We Are Michigan (Score:1)
Blueto
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'nuff said.

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:56 AM | Alternate possibility (Score:1)
Tater
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Maybe Michigan is favored because people outside of Ann Arbor aren't overreacting yet.

 

 

 

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November 4th, 2010 at 1:56 AM | Im taking Illinois (Score:1)
fballcoach12
Joined: 01/05/2010
MGoPoints: 292

Going to put my house and my first unborn child on Illinois........That has been my gambling technique this year with michigan. Putting money on the opponent. So, I always feel good in a way on Saturdays. I do admit my Saturdays feel better when Michigan wins. The Lions were i believe minus 3 against the Redskins and I knew that was a sucker bet. My friends all took the Redskins, while I told them the Lions will win that game. According to this line, Michigan wins guys. So, we have that going for us! Keep your fingers crossed.....GO BLUE!

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November 4th, 2010 at 2:01 AM | I guess they don't really (Score:1)
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 28972

I guess they don't really know what to predict here (we are going up against Ron Zook, after all), so they're concluding that since we have the same overall record as Illinois (5-3) and are at home, we should give the standard three points. 

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November 4th, 2010 at 4:54 AM | I really hope for a win (Score:1)
tlh908
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I really hope for a win Saturday so I don't have to read negative threads the rest of the weekend.  We know the defense is bad, especially now with Floyds injury.  But if we lose, I can predict the many threads that will be started.

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November 4th, 2010 at 5:18 AM | why? (Score:1)
BlueGoM
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Hope springs eternal?

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November 4th, 2010 at 8:03 AM | Why are we favored vs Illinois? (Score:1)
Don
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Because the betting houses know there is a hard core base of UM fans who will put money on Michigan regardless of external reality.


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November 4th, 2010 at 8:20 AM | because (Score:1)
GoBlueInJersey
Joined: 10/10/2010
MGoPoints: 337

DB hired a shaman from the Amazon.  We're in the clear now.

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November 4th, 2010 at 8:33 AM | Maybe the defense will play (Score:1)
Bobby Boucher
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Maybe the defense will play better since the offense they will be facing is similar to the offense they see in practice.  Or maybe people figure that the sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then.

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November 4th, 2010 at 8:33 AM | Because.... (Score:1)
emGeauxBleu
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DENARD ROBINSON

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November 4th, 2010 at 8:49 AM | Who (Score:1)
jamiemac
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 7894

Who cares why, just do it. Just bet the Illini already. A team with a D like this should never be favored in a conference game. You'll be glad you did either way.

Given the line hasnt budged, especially after the Floyd injury, I'm actually going against the grain with those who say the line is where it is because of delusional MICH fans plunking money down.

I dont think this line has seen any action at all. They threw the -3  out there, nothing is happening, so they're keep it there. We're almost within the 48-hour window of kickoff, it'll be interesting to see if there are any line movements now that football weekend is upon us.

But, yeah, stop waiting. Get down on the underdog. You cant lose as you file out of the stadium.

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November 4th, 2010 at 12:03 PM | 100% serious (Score:1)
jlvanals
Joined: 09/21/2009
MGoPoints: 672

How the hell can I place money on this game from New Orleans, LA?  I know nothing about betting, so no bookies, where is like a good betting website??

"out of these tunnels will come the meanest, toughest sonsabitches ever to put on pads"

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November 4th, 2010 at 8:51 AM | Pubic Favorite (Score:1)
mikel796
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Because UM is a betting favorite to the general public....think brand recognition.

The hole that Yost dug, Crisler paid for, Canham carpeted and Bo Schembechler fills every cotton-picking fall Saturday!

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