I've lived in the Midwest around nd fans, and they are the most annoying fans ever. Throw on top of that listening to Lou Holtz stuttering about them every day and its almost unbearable. However, I'm currently living in South Carolina and SEC fans as a whole piss me off WAY more than ND fans. Here in Columbia everyone acts like their program is equal to Bama/LSU just because they're in the same conference. You know how pathetic South Carolina fans are? Last year they made a shirt commemorating their season because they won 11 games for the first time in their history. Michigan went through "The Horror" and RR in the last 4 yrs. And on the bookends of that time frame, which was one of the worst stretches of Michigan football, we won 11 games. On top of that, at least once a week someone sees me in my Michigan apparel and is a jackass and tries to give me shit and say "App State Haha" while snickering. So ND is the most cocky, arrogant and obnoxious fan base. The SEC as a whole are a bunch of complete jackasses. So when broached with the thought if a ND-Bama Championship, I find myself hoping the Mayans were right and the world ends before I have to see that game played.
Why all the ND hatred?
I remember when I lived in Missouri and Mizzou won 10 games for the first time. Many fans would act like their program was superior to ours. I get being excited but let's not make more out of it than it is. why the hate for nd? I think its because many people either a) genuinely hate them and/or b) they would be the worst national championship team in recent memory. I am more b than a , however I understand a.
If you don't get it, I can't help you.
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If it is any SEC team against ND in the championship, I will be for ND. Otherwise, I'll likely be against them.
I grew up in Indianapolis and am 35, so my early teens were incredibly annoying, thanks to ND's success. The fans in Indy are insufferable when it comes to the Irish. Plus their tv contract and not joining the big ten only adds to the dislike. Then top it off with the idiocy of lou bolts, and I honestly have no desire to see the Irish win anything. To hell with Nd, I will never give them any love year and go USC next week, please ruin their shitty team's dream.
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I live in Indiana so to me it's a big deal. I'm surrounded by a bunch of ND fans that seriously think they are the best team in the country. In my opinion they are not one of the top 5 best teams. Plus I think they will lose to USC.
Note: sorry if this is written poorly I am a little hung over lol
Try sitting through an entire NBC Notre Dame broadcast, just try it once, and you should understand.
If you want to listen to the homer then listen to the homer. If you don't then mute the TV and listen to a different broadcast. I wish that more broadcasters were openly bias like Bob Ufer. There is no shame in that.
What other broadcast? If I happen to have a rooting interest in an ND home game on NBC, I can't easily find a neutral broadcast. The broadcast on TV should in pretty much every case be neutral, not neutral for every team other than ND.
I want to maintain (or grow) our lead in #wins and winning %.
The most indoctrinated Michigan fans will have a really tough time admitting this, but I would surmise that much of the hatred is due to the fact that Notre Dame is like Michigan's twin brother. Out of any school in the country, Michigan and Notre Dame share the most similarities across the board. They have the two most rich traditions, have the two most wins, have the two best winning percentages, have stubborn and arrogant fans (I admit I am an arrogant Michigan fan), have good schools, are from the midwest, have iconic uniforms, and probably a whole lot more.
When they succeed we think it should have been us and I be they feel the same when we succeed. As a local rival, it is understandable to have either hate or respect and that is fine. That is part of what football, or sports in general, is all about. However, to say that ND is bad because of X is a bit hypocritical because, more often than not, the trait of X applies to Michigan as well.
As far as wishing ill on them, I do not. I do not think that a ND championship will hurt Michigan or our recruiting. We pull in good players, and we have a good coach. I don't know why the fear that there is another good team in the midwest.
ND is not our little brother, they are our brother. Root against them if you wish, but at least accept reality.
They aren't in our conference, and our supposed "rivalry" with that school has been cancelled, with a stroke of a pen and hand-delivered letter on a game day.
We have very little in common with them. No more than, say, USC or the University of Miami, but for the geographic accident of Notre Dame's location in northern Indiana.
"To hell with Notre Dame!" Anybody?
I completely agree with OP. Yes, their coach is an asshole, but it's not like we haven't had asshole coaches. Our programs are almost entirely the same: we value tradition, academics, and class, and both teams fans like to think that we "do it the right way." I have a ton of respect for ND, and to me that's what makes our rivalry unique from our other more hateful ones.
I would say though, from the outside looking in, there's probably a distinct age split in people who hate or respect ND right now. I'm only 18, and pretty much all of my ND memories are of kicking their asses. They have never been a real threat my entire football life, so there's really no reason for me to hate them. Just like I hate MSU, but some of the older fans might see them as more of a nuisance than anything else. The older fans (and by older I mean 30+ or around there, not actually old) grew up with ND being a very real threat to Michigan football, and they saw Michigan lose to ND plenty, often in huge games. This is what allows hate to develop in a rivalrly, and for the younger fans it's just not there.
I think the better question is why do you question why most Michigan fans hate ND?
At the risk of being redundant - yes, I hate ND. Yes, I'd rather see another SEC team kick the shit out of them.
And one of my fondest college memories was running around campus yelling "Fuck the Irish" before and after our 38-0 curb stomping in 2003.
Goddamn Harry Oliver makes a ridiculously improbable FG which was only made possible by a mindbogglingly horseshit ref's call of pass interference on us. Sound familiar?
But among the few teams I hate more than ND is USC, and I'm not going to be disappointed to see the Irish strangle the Trojans in their crib. Like Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin is a member in good standing of the lucky sperm club. Brian Kelly is obviously as much of a dick as Kiffin is, but that doesn't obscure the point that BK has proven in multiple jobs that he's a damn good coach. Kiffin hasn't proven jack shit other than he's ridden his daddy's coattails.
1) Refuse to join a real football conference
2) Psuedo-join another basketball conference to make your schedule easier
3) Cower out of the Michigan series, then take the extra home game on your way out
4) Agree to make Michigan the first game of the year, then schedule warm up games prior to, and break the agreement (of course)
5) Generally place the football program as the most important thing in the whole university
6) Coach is a maniac
I believe that showing some class and honor is still important. ND repeatedly shows it is incapable of showing either.
1) Why should they be in a conference? They have the TV deal and have no problems scheduling decent opponents.
2) Conferences are much more important in basketball, so if the Big Ten is pushing them too hard to join, then it seems reasonable that they join a different basketball conference.
3) There are a lot of Michigan fans that wanted to ditch ND.
4) I don't know much about this one, but we have had warmups prior to ND too.
5) Don't tell me that Michigan fans don't. Heck, I went to Michigan for the football program. The degree was a bonus.
6) No team respects an opposing teams good coach. They only respect the coach of the team that they don't have to worry about losing to.
I hope you played football for UM, because that is the absolute worst reason to go (or not go) to a school otherwise. And the degree is not the bonus.
What are ya, new to the Michigan fan base? Ohio and ND are both undefeated. Our two biggest rivals are undefeated; hence the hate.
My step-son-in-law, who is a ND fan told me last night the No. 1 reason to hate ND. He said ND is the "National" team in college football. That they are the only one. That they have the biggest fanbase and are the most popular team in the country.
So I had to ask the question, why do you believe that? He said "Because, it's Notre Dame!"
I said, what the hell does that mean?!? Michigan has more history, at least as much tradition and we taught them football!!!
He came back with, "I don't care about history and all the past I'm talking about today." Conveinent and revisionist history.
The phrase, 'because it's Notre Dame' is the most insufferable statement I have ever heard.
This is Michigan Fergodsakes!!!! Wait what?
If anything, it's because ND winning a national title directly affects Michigan negatively. We go head to head with them for midwest recruits and them winning it all will probably hurt us a lot in head to head battles.
Lastly, their fans are insufferable white people who think it is God's will that Notre Dame be good at football.
Lastly lastly, we will never be able to watch college football final again if Notre Dame wins it all because one of us will literally hunt down Lou Holtz and strangle him with one of Notre Dame's "The Shirt" because he will somehow become even more insufferable. I want to kill him right now actually after he said "No one is playing better than Notre Dame right now" yesterday
I hope someone beats them 70-0 before the year is out. That's why
Lou Holtz, Brian Kelly, that smug little leprechaun. Do you need more reasons?
Actually, yeah dude, I have some questions:
Somehow Saban is LESS DESPICABLE?!?!
I didn't make it to Dallas, but the descriptions of Tide fans as the type to wear Dockers & apply hair products for a football game sounded a lot like Domers. They are further away tho!
Is there an accepted meme here that we compete w/ ND for recruits but not SEC teams? Marquise Maze, Nico Johnson are 2 I can think of off the top who had M on their list, or even decommited, to go to Bama. Not to mention all the recruits we're battling auburn for lately?!
Kelly may have negligently allowed a student to put himself in harms way, but does anyone think Saban cares about ANY students... on the team or otherwise? He'll over-sign, medical, and use any other under-handed means necessary to gain an advantage.
He'll schedule Coastal Carolina for late Nov...
Man I could really go on for quite awhile about why it is NOT BETTER - for M or college FB - for Saban & the SEC to win the BCS again.
That being said, the Tide will "Roll" ND when/if that comes to pass. Barkley injury makes it pretty unlikely SC will stop it. But me, I'll be rooting for Auburn & Uga over Bama!
They think they are too good for Michigan, eschewing our rivalry with them so they can try and get more money. Money, money, money.
And the world is realy coming to an end on 21 December of this year, then one good outcome of that would be that Irish fans wouldn't get to see their team play in the BCS Championship Game.
ND fans would find some way to blame Michigan for not getting to play in the BCSC.
No we wouldn't. You aren't that important.
Currently I hate ND for the way they ended their contract with us. Sleazy. Also Brian Kelly is a purple faced ass who got a kid killed. Their insufferable belief that they are a perpetual superpower despite a couple decades of mediocrity. The fact that we really should have beaten them this year if not for a particularly bad batch of Denard - Borges fusion cuisine. Lou Holtz.
Mostly because we recruit against them, and the long-term fallout of Denard's worst day plus Pitt's kicker having one badly snapped ball go right could be the enshrinement of Kelly and having to compete against a recent national champion as well as Urban Meyer for a dwindling creme de la creme of Midwest recruits. They lock down Chicagoland like Tressel did Ohio after 2002. It's a Jordan Diamond here, a Treadwell there, and the razor thin margin between Michigan going to a Rose Bowl instead of a Citrus two more times during the Hoke era could be on the line.
Plus though I only have secondary evidence for it, I think Kelly is one of the bad guys in college football and would hate for him to be elevated to the kind of status were he's on TV the rest of his life, a la Lou Holtz.
1) I've always hated Notre Dame, but after your little rant I hate them even more.
2) "phork" is a Notre Dame fan. I knew he disliked Michigan but always thought he was a closet sparty fan.
I don't hate Michigan. I hate that everything you guys accuse ND fans of being is everything you guys are. As one poster posted above said we share all kinds of history and prestige. You guys taught us football, we perfected it. You guys shun us for not taking the BIGs offer, yet turned us aside when we desperately wanted to join.
Took my Dad on the stadium tour by advice from this very board, suggestions where to eat etc. We had a great day. I love everything UM stands for, because we are mirror images of each other. I cheer against you when our teams play. I look forward to Denard busting huge runs every week because he is the most electric player in CFB.
I love college football because UM vs ND.
ND fans are fantastic fans. In general it's a rivalry of mutual respect. I don't think the higher ups at Notre Dame share that mutuality. Their profound contempt for Michigan has been evident in everything from their refusal to schedule opposite the Ohio State/ Nebraska home schedule because it's such a huge game it couldnt possibly share a schedule with USC, to canceling the series (but keeping the extra home game) because it's not as important as Stanford or MSU or Purdue. In every way possible since I've been an observer, the ND brass has taken the opportunity to knife Michigan. It's nice that there's one program not just about the money, but between money and pettiness as reason for decisions, I'd prefer the former.
Michigan is nothing like ND. ND is NOT Michigan's mirror image. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.
Keep telling yourself that. If it helps you get through the night. Barring that, try Ambien.
I live SW MI about 45 mins from SB. we get south bend news channels thats how close we are. They won't shut up about how awesome ND is, even during their horrible seasons the last ten years. There are a ton of ND fans around here that never went to college, let alone ND, and they are all insufferable down right assholes when it comes to the rivalry, Michigan and abhorrently obnoxious towards Michigan fans. They act like they are so much better than everyone else and that the big ten is a loser conference. What has the big ten done ever? What has Michigan done? When I was graduating HS all the ND fans aggressively told me to my face that Michigan didn't really win the national title and that we were the worst undefeated team ever. We couldn't beat anyone remotely good.
ND alums, actually are great to talk to about the state of college football, our rivalry and how awesome it is when both programs are playing well and winning championships. Some have even quietly admitted the wished they would have joined the BIG. They, like I do, want our game each year to set the tone for the season and is sort of a marker for where we could go. They even admit that win or lose, they want us to be successful every year. They won't cheer for us per se, but won't openly root against us in general.
ND Alums make the rivalry enjoyable, non-alums make me wish ill-will on ND perpetually and vehemently. That's been my experience living in SW MI for most of my life.
ND has a very good team this year, and I won't root for them to win, but I won't deny them a good year. I just don't want them to win a mythical MNC since we will never live it down on my area.
It's not hard to figure out why anyone that likes a team other than ND most likely hates them. For one they are one the most tradition rich programs in the history of college football, not to mention one of the most winningest. Also, they get every break and benefit of the doubt by the media and in the polls. Heck, the BCS introduced the Notre Dame rule to allow non BCS conference people in just for one school. Why do they deserve special privelage? They should force them into a conference if they want to qualify not make special rules to accomodate them. And, I personally find it incredibly annoying that they have such a large fan base outside of their region. I do not understand why people that live no where near Indiana would like them. I have lived in various states in New England for 20 years now and am always surprised how there are tons of ND fans anywhere you go. I know people will say Catholics blah, blah, blah, but I don't buy that argument because the people that like them that make that claim either are not in the least bit relegious, never go to church, or only use that argument when it suits them, so I don't think it has anything to do with being Catholic. But, anyways...it's clear to see why if you're not a ND fan you are super annoyed by the media and it's fan base when they do well, espeically if you a UM fan as you never hear the end of it. I hope ND gets just what they want...a chance at a National Championship agains Bama and gets crushed. They barely beat us with 6 (?) turnovers.
I can't fully answer this without going into a long rant and becoming incoherent at several points. I'll say this, though: I hate ND more than any other sports team. That probably comes from growing up just outside South Bend and putting up with their fans my entire life. As I've gotten older I've found more reasonable ND fans, but the majority I've talked to are just insufferable.
For me, it has nothing to do with them beating us. Seems to me we beat them just as often. And when we do lose to them it's usually because we make a lot of awful turnovers and beat ourselves.
No, I hate ND because they are ND. Because they act like they are better than everyone else even when they are going 5-7. They act like their schedule is so tough when usually isn't any harder than ours (and the easiest of the top teams this year IMO). And they act like God is actually involved in their university, which is asinine.
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They are smug assholes for the most part.
This CFB season has turned utterly putrid. I have enough hate for everybody. Forever.