Why all the ND hatred?

I have only so much hate to go around. Ohio State and Michigan State are more deserving of it than Notre Dame. And I will undoubtedly get called out for saying this, but to the rest of the world, Michigan fans are right up there with ND fans on the insufferability scale. We're probably the two most reviled programs among people who didn't attend either school. That said, Brian Kelly appears to be a dick of the highest order. 

I've lived in the Midwest around nd fans, and they are the most annoying fans ever. Throw on top of that listening to Lou Holtz stuttering about them every day and its almost unbearable. However, I'm currently living in South Carolina and SEC fans as a whole piss me off WAY more than ND fans. Here in Columbia everyone acts like their program is equal to Bama/LSU just because they're in the same conference. You know how pathetic South Carolina fans are? Last year they made a shirt commemorating their season because they won 11 games for the first time in their history. Michigan went through "The Horror" and RR in the last 4 yrs. And on the bookends of that time frame, which was one of the worst stretches of Michigan football, we won 11 games. On top of that, at least once a week someone sees me in my Michigan apparel and is a jackass and tries to give me shit and say "App State Haha" while snickering. So ND is the most cocky, arrogant and obnoxious fan base. The SEC as a whole are a bunch of complete jackasses. So when broached with the thought if a ND-Bama Championship, I find myself hoping the Mayans were right and the world ends before I have to see that game played.

If you don't get it, I can't help you.

 

"why not?"

If it is any SEC team against ND in the championship, I will be for ND. Otherwise, I'll likely be against them.

I grew up in Indianapolis and am 35, so my early teens were incredibly annoying, thanks to ND's success. The fans in Indy are insufferable when it comes to the Irish. Plus their tv contract and not joining the big ten only adds to the dislike. Then top it off with the idiocy of lou bolts, and I honestly have no desire to see the Irish win anything. To hell with Nd, I will never give them any love year and go USC next week, please ruin their shitty team's dream.

I live in Indiana so to me it's a big deal. I'm surrounded by a bunch of ND fans that seriously think they are the best team in the country. In my opinion they are not one of the top 5 best teams. Plus I think they will lose to USC.

Note: sorry if this is written poorly I am a little hung over lol

Try sitting through an entire NBC Notre Dame broadcast, just try it once, and you should understand.

The most indoctrinated Michigan fans will have a really tough time admitting this, but I would surmise that much of the hatred is due to the fact that Notre Dame is like Michigan's twin brother.  Out of any school in the country, Michigan and Notre Dame share the most similarities across the board.  They have the two most rich traditions, have the two most wins, have the two best winning percentages, have stubborn and arrogant fans (I admit I am an arrogant Michigan fan), have good schools, are from the midwest, have iconic uniforms, and probably a whole lot more.

When they succeed we think it should have been us and I be they feel the same when we succeed.  As a local rival, it is understandable to have either hate or respect and that is fine.  That is part of what football, or sports in general, is all about.  However, to say that ND is bad because of X is a bit hypocritical because, more often than not, the trait of X applies to Michigan as well.

As far as wishing ill on them, I do not.  I do not think that a ND championship will hurt Michigan or our recruiting.  We pull in good players, and we have a good coach.  I don't know why the fear that there is another good team in the midwest.  

ND is not our little brother, they are our brother.  Root against them if you wish, but at least accept reality.

"To hell with Notre Dame!" Anybody?

I completely agree with OP. Yes, their coach is an asshole, but it's not like we haven't had asshole coaches. Our programs are almost entirely the same: we value tradition, academics, and class, and both teams fans like to think that we "do it the right way." I have a ton of respect for ND, and to me that's what makes our rivalry unique from our other more hateful ones.

I would say though, from the outside looking in, there's probably a distinct age split in people who hate or respect ND right now. I'm only 18, and pretty much all of my ND memories are of kicking their asses. They have never been a real threat my entire football life, so there's really no reason for me to hate them. Just like I hate MSU, but some of the older fans might see them as more of a nuisance than anything else. The older fans (and by older I mean 30+ or around there, not actually old) grew up with ND being a very real threat to Michigan football, and they saw Michigan lose to ND plenty, often in huge games. This is what allows hate to develop in a rivalrly, and for the younger fans it's just not there. 

I think the better question is why do you question why most Michigan fans hate ND?

At the risk of being redundant - yes, I hate ND. Yes, I'd rather see another SEC team kick the shit out of them. And one of my fondest college memories was running around campus yelling "Fuck the Irish" before and after our 38-0 curb stomping in 2003.

Goddamn Harry Oliver makes a ridiculously improbable FG which was only made possible by a mindbogglingly horseshit ref's call of pass interference on us. Sound familiar?

But among the few teams I hate more than ND is USC, and I'm not going to be disappointed to see the Irish strangle the Trojans in their crib. Like Derek Dooley, Lane Kiffin is a member in good standing of the lucky sperm club. Brian Kelly is obviously as much of a dick as Kiffin is, but that doesn't obscure the point that BK has proven in multiple jobs that he's a damn good coach. Kiffin hasn't proven jack shit other than he's ridden his daddy's coattails.

1) Refuse to join a real football conference

2) Psuedo-join another basketball conference to make your schedule easier

3) Cower out of the Michigan series, then take the extra home game on your way out

4) Agree to make Michigan the first game of the year, then schedule warm up games prior to, and break the agreement (of course)

5) Generally place the football program as the most important thing in the whole university

6) Coach is a maniac

I believe that showing some class and honor is still important.  ND repeatedly shows it is incapable of showing either.

 

What are ya, new to the Michigan fan base? Ohio and ND are both undefeated. Our two biggest rivals are undefeated; hence the hate.

My step-son-in-law, who is a ND fan told me last night the No. 1 reason to hate ND.  He said ND is the "National" team in college football. That they are the only one.  That they have the biggest fanbase and are the most popular team in the country.

So I had to ask the question, why do you believe that?  He said "Because, it's Notre Dame!"

I said, what the hell does that mean?!?  Michigan has more history, at least as much tradition and we taught them football!!!

He came back with, "I don't care about history and all the past I'm talking about today."  Conveinent and revisionist history.

The phrase, 'because it's Notre Dame' is the most insufferable statement I have ever heard.

If anything, it's because ND winning a national title directly affects Michigan negatively. We go head to head with them for midwest recruits and them winning it all will probably hurt us a lot in head to head battles.

Lastly, their fans are insufferable white people who think it is God's will that Notre Dame be good at football.

Lastly lastly, we will never be able to watch college football final again if Notre Dame wins it all because one of us will literally hunt down Lou Holtz and strangle him with one of Notre Dame's "The Shirt" because he will somehow become even more insufferable. I want to kill him right now actually after he said "No one is playing better than Notre Dame right now" yesterday

I hope someone beats them 70-0 before the year is out. That's why

Lou Holtz, Brian Kelly, that smug little leprechaun. Do you need more reasons?

They think they are too good for Michigan, eschewing our rivalry with them so they can try and get more money. Money, money, money. 

 

And the world is realy coming to an end on 21 December of this year, then one good outcome of that would be that Irish fans wouldn't get to see their team play in the BCS Championship Game.

Currently I hate ND for the way they ended their contract with us. Sleazy. Also Brian Kelly is a purple faced ass who got a kid killed. Their insufferable belief that they are a perpetual superpower despite a couple decades of mediocrity. The fact that we really should have beaten them this year if not for a particularly bad batch of Denard - Borges fusion cuisine. Lou Holtz.

Roll Tide

Two things:

1) I've always hated Notre Dame, but after your little rant I hate them even more.

2) "phork" is a Notre Dame fan.  I knew he disliked Michigan but always thought he was a closet sparty fan.