I love Michigan, but I'd like to see RR get some revenge.
Who would you like to see Michigan play in the bowl game?
You don't love Michigan if you don't want to see Michigan win.
Dude... Go back to Bolivia or just get off here completely.
Well, it is the university that many of us attended. That counts for something.
and fan, and I love Michigan win or lose. You may do what you wish, because, well, this is America. I'm not dumping them because they are currently a hot mess. But you should, Colby Jax. You should totally go cheer for Ohio or Michigan State! I feel you would make fast friends there.
Well put, Mabel.
I don't agree that the program is assholish, but I don't know why people are completely dismissing the fact that this program is like most college programs; it's about winning and losing to an extent, but it is run by stubborn-ish people with agendas that aren't always aligned with the desires of the fanbase completely. And listen, I love what Carr did while at UM, but he was a pretty prickly guy who rubbed lots of people wrong.
And if Colby Jax had said what you just said, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. But what you said and what Colby said is like the difference between telling my wife that an outfit she wants to wear isn't the most flattering look and telling her, "bitch, you look like a cow!"
that cow birthed an MSU student, which says something.
(I'm kidding, of course.)
it's about winning and losing to an extent
It's more than just an extent. Before every home game we flash on the scoreboard, "The most wins in college football", "42 Big 10 Championships", etc. Winning is our identity, and it's what we're selling to players and fans. We like to pretend that we're above the pedestrian cares of other programs where it's all about winning at any cost, but I don't see any asterisks after the above statements to the effect,
"* - and even though we're winning less than we have in recent year, our wins are more meaningful because they are achieved more ethically than our competitors to the south...you all know who we're talking about"
Let's not kid ourselves here.
Sir just can not be a football fan!
Why don't you make a thread on this.
Go back under your Bolivian bridge, troll.
What are you talking about?
You're probably getting confused with Wolverines Dominate again.
But WTF does that have to do with supporting the players, the coaches, and everything else that Michigan Football is?
The athletic director accounts for less than 1% of my emotional investment in Michigan Football. Even if he was the world's biggest loser I would still support the team. Especially considering the players and coaches are especially likeable, even if they are underperforming. The fact that you have jumped off the ship based on the athletic director of all things makes me think that you are a pathetic "fan".
What is likeable about Taylor Lewan? Fingerstache. Twosie. Dr. Hamlet III. He's a goofy, funny, charismatic college kid. There's a lot to like about Taylor Lewan. College football would be well served to have more kids like him playing.
What's your problem with him other than he lost his temper and roughed up an MSU player on Saturday?
Al Borges? Seriously? Since when does anybody base their loyalty and support for any team based on the personality of an assistant coach. Jesus, you're just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks aren't you?
That's a failure of senior leadership IMO.
So, you're laying the blame for the poor performance of the offensive line entirely at his feet? Well, that seems reasonable. Or just a misapplication of a tired cliche'.
"We won't be bullied again" made him 0-for-2 on the tough talk follow-through with his performance being particularly embarrassing.
So, no tough talk. Got it. Team captains shouldn't suggest that the team is going to give a better effort week to week, regardless of whether they believe it or not in their heart. Better to show panic. Sounds like a sound philosophy from a leadership perspective.
And whether it is true or not, his name is also part of a police report associated with some pretty heinous stuff.
Except in your case, you're going to assume it's true, because you know, Lewan is such an unlikeable guy.
As I said before, just throwing any old random thing at the wall to see what sticks.
"Roughed up" an MSU player? He did the exact same thing Gholston did. ColbyJax is right to an extent - Lewan does a lot of talking and not much to back it up. Its getting old. Clowning around and twisting facemasks is not the kind of leadership we need.
Are you serious?
Gain some perspective, son.
So are you just going to continue to post things in the abstract or are you actually going to ever make an actual point, offer an alternative, solution, whatever?
Right now, you're just coming off as a bandwagon fan who's pissed because Michigan isn't winning as much as it used to.
... his point is pretty evident. I don't share his apparent total disdain for the program but I am pretty disgusted by our AD and embarrassed by some of my fellow fans.
You suck man.
You are cheering for Rich Rod over the team? This board is becoming unreadable.
Obvious troll is obvious.....obviously.
and I actually would rather that than getting smoked by another SEC team.
Given Michigan's road struggles I would like to see a game played in an actual neutral site so they might actually win.
The last time we played Florida in FL, it worked out alright.
Given the B1G bowl tie-ins only the Little Caesar's bowl would be a neutral/home game. Everything else is squarely in the other conferences territory (Rose in CA, Capital/etc. in FL, Dallas in TX...). That fact plus the unfavorable matchups (plus the conference ineptitude) have lead to some bad bowl records in recent years.
In a perfect world? Against UCF in the Sugar Bowl.
Our chances would be minimal, but I would love to play Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M or Oklahoma. Part of the fun for me in bowls is to see Michigan play another power that we haven't met in a while. To be perfectly honest, given how young the team is, it would be a good learning experience to play one of the above.
OU is not very good.
Match made in heaven, then!
After what Indiana did to our defense, you'd want to play Texas A&M? I'd hate to see how many points they would put up on us.
It'd be fun to see Gardner not get sacked and our RBs not get hit in the backfield.
Period. Only qualification.
I'd like to play in the Gator just because I think it gives us the best chance ot win
A rematch with AKRON
I'd Like to see Michigan play a middling Mac team someone we could just absolutely dominate. Is Central Michigan going to make a bowl game?
msu has sparty noo! with losses @neb and @nw
neb looses to UM and wins out
UM wins out
this causes a 3 way tie and Michigan would win the tie breaker to go on to play in B10
beat osu again and play stanford in the rosebowl
Hey, you asked me what I wanted.
How would we get the tie breaker with state, we'd both have 2 losses. Spartina has a 3 game lead on us
-1 for Spartina
Them so I'll call them as I please....
If Michigan wins out we end up 6-2 in the conference, MSU looses to Nebraska and northwestern they end up 6-2 in the conference, and Nebraska loses to Michigan and wins the rest they end up 6-2 in the conference. This would cause a three way tie and since Michigan would play the tougher schedule and has to win out they would end up ranked the highest and earn a big ten championship bid. It's not impossible and far more likely than sporty to lose three games. Still a dream though
Correct me if I am wrong, but the above scenario would be M loss to MSU, Neb loss to M, MSU loss to Neb - 3 way tie with losses to each other - tie breaker then would be Division record and our loss to PSU would "help us"
Yep but the division record doesn't matter it's highest ranked team in the BCS and that would b us
Thought it was division then BCS, but don't care enough right now to actually look it up. We can start that conversation in more detail after we win a couple more games and Sparty has a couple Sparty Nos.
In that scenerio because UM has 2 losses, Neb has 2 losses, MSU has 2 losses. Neb beats msu, msu beats UM, and UM beats Neb. Tie goes to divisional games and msu would then haven 2 divisional losses being to NW and Neb and UM would only have one to msu.
Somehow got to the sugar bowl, I'd shit my pants, then eat them, then I'd buy all of you tickets to New Orleans
I was assuming 8-4 at best this year, but damnit now i want 10-2 just to see this happen.
Although not sure which would be stranger - seeing someone eat shit stained pants or us playing in the Sugar Bowl?
I like my chances but would oblige....it's like wagering a million dollars type of bet.
nice to see a little humor still exists out there. +1 to you sir
In the National Championship game.
Why would we want to take Notre Dame's "record" for worst showing in the BCS title game... Or does LSU have that "record"?
If we win the next three in strong fashion and play OSU close, I'm OK with a Cap 1 or Outback bowl against a no 3 team from the SEC or Big 12.
If we win out and beat OSU (dreaming here) an at-large BCS game would be fun, but not a one-loss Oregon or Alabama. I'm still not sleeping from last Saturday.
I want a game that is competitive and one where we match up well with the opponent. Unfortunately, Michigan isn't as good as I'd like us to be.
"If Michigan wins out, they could get an at-large bid to a BCS ala 2011."
I would love this to happen, but a lot of higher ranked teams will have to lose a lot games. I don't see it happening. After all, what was our best win so far? Notre Dame?
If Michigan wins out, ending OSU's 23-game winning streak would be our best win.
I believe that's only one game more than their win streak in 1969.
So saying that Michigan "could get an at-large bid" is probably more likely than "Michigan wins out". The chance of both happening are probably under 1%.
But since I like these analyses for their own sake, here goes:
There are 4 BCS "at-large" spots if no team manages to auto-qualify beyond the 2 NC spots and the 6 spots given to the AQ conferences. But Fresno State and Northern Illinois, both ahead of top-ranked Big East Louisville, will likely each claim a spot if they win out against inferior competition. Plus we would have to get ahead of Sparty (Sparty losing to OSU plus us beating OSU by scenario definition might do it), and we'd have to get ahead of Wiscy (needs to drop one of its remaining games.) The two leagues with the NC participants (two of SEC, PAC-12, ACC) will not be able to send a third team to the BCS, so that leaves two at-large spots to come from the B1G and
- the BIG 12 (OU, Baylor, OkieSt less the champion)
- the Big East (not happening)
and the non NC participating league
- PAC-12 (Oregon, Stanford, UCLA less the champion)
- ACC (FSU, Clemson, Miami less the champion)
- SEC (a gazillion teams that would be taken in front of us)
If either Fresno St or N. Illinios were to lose, then the B1G would almost surely get an at-large bid, and we'd just have to get in front of MSU & Wiscy. If not, I could see us being taken over Baylor or Okie St for "butts in seats" reasons.
That was fun. But again, the ~95% chance of another Michigan loss will likely make this all moot (albeit interesting to geeks like me).
I will just work from some of the existing prognostications for now. Some of the projections that have come out in the last few days have us playing opponents like Georgia, Texas and LSU, among others. Of all of these current predictions, I would have to say that Texas is the one that sort of makes me stroke the ol' goatee and wonder, "Hmmm...."
Would get us in the Gator Bowl (memories) or the Buffalo wild wings bowl.
A Gator Bowl would get us Georgia, LSU, or Texas A&M. Out of those three I say AM, because it would be a fun game to watch and it would make our offense look really good. And our defense pathetic.
Buffalo Wild Wings will probably be Texas Tech or Texas. I would like to see Borges vs Robinson. Texas Tech's offense will shred our secondary.
We are playing Texas A&M and the final will be 41-34 - Capital One Bowl. Book it. Of course I have no idea which team will win.
Depending on the final record I would rather see Michigan play in a "lesser" because they may actually have a chance to win. Any SEC team they played would kill them for sure.
Georgia would not kill Michigan. I think that would actually be a great matchup for M.
By the bowl game Georgia would probably have most of their injured players back. It would not be pretty for Michigan.
Michigan could score plenty on UGA.
Brass ones. I like it.
Not Northern Illinois.
Not a 10:30 pm EST game on Dec 28 in Arizona. vs. anyone.
A baby seal.
If anybody remembers correctly, 2011 only happened because we managed to be top 14 in the BCS by the end. Considering we're unranked with 4 to play that ain't happening. Especially since 3/4 of those games are against also unranked teams. And the 4th team is Ohio. If we somehow manage to beat them I think its more likely they tank in the rankings then us catapult. Their schedule kinda sucks. A lot.
JK JK The Gator Bowl would be fine with me at this point. A matchup against the Gators would be fun.
I have. Revenge it's that is much longer than I'd like it to be:
Good call on Florida State. That is a long memory, my man. Before that 1991 game, Michigan had never been handled by a speedy team from the south. They dropped a heartbreaker to Miami in 1988, lost to Charles Rodgers in 1980, but a 20 point loss was virtually unheard of during the Bo Era.
Arizona State 0-1 1986 15-22
Tennessee 0-1 2001 17-45
Texas 0-1 2004 37-38
Miami 1984 22-14 (against #1 Miami)
Florida St 1986 20-18
Texas A&M 1977 41-3 (against Top 10 TAMU)
Alabama 1999 35-34
USC 1988 22-14
Oregon 1973 24-0
South Carolina 1985 34-3
or some team like that.
Basically, any team with a good offense and a so-so defense, cuz we'll do okay in that matchup. We'd get murdered against a team with a good defense and a bad offense.
Sugar against Clemson. Remote, to say the least, as it would likely require both Michigan and Clemson to get at-large bids. But it would be historic (as Michigan has never played Clemson), would warrant a week-long binge on New Orleans cuisine, and would also be an exciting match-up.
As a more realistic alternative I would like to see LSU in the Outback. This would be a difficult match-up, I know, but would again be historic.
In the Title Game!
(The question was not qualified by likelihood.)
Any small class c high school team...just to see if we can block. Then move up from there.
LSU, South Carolina, or Mizzou.
crap out of.
...but that ain't in the cards.
Maybe they could match up with Slippery Rock
I greatly apologize that in my head the first thing I thought when I read BCS bowl was "fuck off." However, I do not mean that in any way towards you personally.
Even if we win out BCS bowling is a huge stretch. Michigan State would have to lose another game and to Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship. I suppose it's possible but incredibly unlikely and it's not in our hands even if we win out. Also, might not even happen if one of the BCS buster teams makes it. Might not be room for a second Big Ten team in the BCS this year as we are perceived as probably the fourth or fifth best conference.
Michigan currently doesn't have the physical talent to compete with a decent SEC team. I think it would be better if they played CUSA.
We almost beat USC less than a year ago.
Thinking about that makes me kind of pukey.
You know, some team where our pathetic O-Line doesn't have to block anyone. I'd also like to see our RB's/FB's go out for passes, because it's not like Fitz is going to block anyone in pass protection anyway.
Too soon? No TFLs up in there.
Arizona. We would get smoked.
And since Bowl Games are stupid IMO - unless it is the Rose Bowl or playing for MNC - I wouldnt care all that much.
It would provide me a great deal of closure so I could go on being a blindly loyal Michigan fan like I used to be.
Rose Bowl Stuff:
MasseyRatings gives MSU the following win probabilities for their final three games: @Nebraska 0.75, @Northwestern 0.74, vs Minnesota 0.9. So, the chances of them losing three straight games (assuming independence between games, which is not always the case.. injuries, etc., but still) is: 0.65%
Then, Michigan needs to win out. MasseyRatings gives Michigan the following chances in their remaining games: vs Nebrasks 0.66, @Northwestern 0.43, @Iowa 0.38, vs Ohio State 0.21. Michigan has a 2.2% chance of winning out.
Well, now that that's likely to not happen, I think Michigan has a decent shot at most of the middle of the SEC. Florida, Georgia, etc.
Am I reading that correctly?
We have the following percentage chances to WIN?
vs Nebrasks = 66%
@Northwestern = 43%
@Iowa = 38%
vs Ohio State = 21%
7-5 or 8-4 if we're lucky (we are not lucky).
Son of a bitch! SIlver lining, my pre-season prediction was accurate. Woo.
Also, dude, 2.26% that's like pretty much 2.3%...
I think we will at least split the two road games but lose at home against OSU. Who knows, may be Michigan will play lights out against OSU and we will beat them? I think the '69 team was a bigger mismatch against '69 OSU team, then this year team against OSU. So, it is possible. If we knocked off OSU it would make my season, even if we lose the 3 other games!
Good points - and I would love to see a match-up vs KSU. I have a bunch of co-workers who are die-hard Kansas St. grads - would be entertaining to trash talk to them in the run up.
I disagree that Team 135 will be 6-6. Hoke does win at home. He is awful on the road but he does win at home. Therefore, I do think 8-4 is realistic, or 7-5. Unfortunately, I am just not confident in anything on the road anymore. Stinks. But - we did win @ Northwestern two years ago so it is possible we sneak that out again.
Whatever team has an OC who is older and less adaptive, creative, inventive, wise than Borges. Perhaps a team that just fired its OC and replaced him with its mascot.
Texas or Oklahoma in the "Asian Zing Buffalo Wild Wing Bowl". I think it would be a competitive game against either school.
8-4 and 4th in the B1G should get us into the BWW bowl. May be OKST?
The only right answer is the Pac-Ten Champion (every year unless we play for the NCG)
Oh... you meant in the real world. Crap.
I'll takeTexas in the BWW.
A FULL, open air stadium...under the lights...on a perfect grass surface... in 50 degree, crisp, dry air (65 and sunny during the day).
Now that's my idea of a holiday road trip.
The exact opposite is true.
In '69, we were 3-2 after our 23-12 loss up at MSU. We then put it together, winning the next four games 35-9, 35-7, 57-0, and 51-6. In other words, we got better as the season progressed.
We also had a very good OL anchored by Dan Dierdorf, and the OL coach was Jerry Hanlon, who was by far the best OL coach in Michigan's history. In other words, our OL could actually block people.
Whether the 2013 OSU squad is as good relative to the rest of the college football world today as the 1969 team was to its contemporaries is an open question, but there is no doubt that the 2013 Michigan football team is far weaker relative to its opponents than the '69 team was.
Most important is the difference between the two head coaches at Michigan. Bo wasn't without his faults, but the comparisons between Schembechler and his staff and Hoke and his staff couldn't be more stark.
No team has ever been ranked lower then 14th and recieved an at large bid. Currently we are 33rd in the AP. None of the next 3 teams we play even get any honrable mention vote. So none of these games will help us jump more then a couple spots. If we win the next 3 I can see us possibly cracking the top 25. If we win against Ohio State I don't see us making it any higher then 17. It's not happening!!
I agree. Michigan just isn't BCS worthy. Some might say we haven't been in, gulp, 7-8 years. Pretty shocking really. It is a lost decade. Everyone has 'em. Question is whether we learn our lessons and innovate and catch-up with the rest of college football. Hire a new O-coordinator (at the least) and get smarter about this.
I like it when we play Central Michigan.
...I'm going with Pizza bowl, baby! We can win! We can win!