Besides Harmon which we already know is happening, who will be the next Legend after him?
A.C.? Ricky Leach? Woodson?
I'm going to say Charles Woodson because I think he will be retiring from the pros soon.
Woodson should not be a legend until a player is at least half worthy of wearing his number
We still haven't seen what Countess can really do.
That would be an honor to wear his name on a patch
If I was a boy scout I would be honored to rep a Falk Patch on a vest, mint green ensemble, or the like.
Tom Brady or Charles Woodson.
Tom Brady was not that special during his years at Michigan. Sure he was good, but definitely not "Legend" material.
I completely agree.
I agree that he was stuck behind Brian Griese in 1997, but we did win the league in 1998 and beat Arkansas and Alabama in the 1998 and 1999 season bowl games.
Brady was good at Michigan but not great. If he didn't become such a phenom in the NFL, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Many people think Tom was an elite college QB, but he wasn't. Good quarterback, yes, but not elite. Elite NFL QB? Absolutely. One of the greatest of all time without a doubt.
He did nothing but win here. He was never given the freedom here at UM that he has in the pros so no, he was never elite. Carr and UM never produced elite qbs. Just qbs who got to the nfl. But once he got there, he was able to win in a conservative offense, much like at UM and then he has shown he can win where he has to open it up. Yes the argument is out there that Matt Cassell won too so its the system not Brady, but Scott Mitchell was good for half a season too when Marino went out. It happens that bad qbs in good situations can succeed for a small amount of time. However Cassell and Mitchell never won anything but reg season games. It is Brady who does nothing but wins when it matters. Here and in the pros.
He was never an elite qb here, I'll give you that. His legend was built in the pros, I'll give you that too. But when did you ever walk away from a game he started and said; "damn, I wish we had a better qb!" Never! I loved him starting and thought Lloyd Carr was too soft for allowing Henson to be considered in the same breath as Brady.
In sum, Brady should be honored for no other reason than it looks good on the recruiting trail that the best nfl qb went to UM under the coach who worked with the current coach.
We've won 42 Big Ten championships. Are all the players who quarterbacked them Legends material?
Brady did play at a high level his senior year, but still, I don't think he makes the cut.
Gerald Ford wouldn't be a Legend if not for what he did after his Michigan career...
I think becoming President of the United States makes for a valid exception to the rule. There are like five players in the history of college football that have done that.
a beast at Michigan. He was the comeback king. Lyold Carr made a mistake with Tom by not trusting him and letting him start every game.
Woodson as soon as he's done playing in the League. No freaking question.
The real question is who is after Woodson.
A) Brady despite the bigger NFL than college career?
B) Griese? the guy did lead us to a National Championship?
D) Does someone else get it before Jake Long?
E) What about Dierdorf? College HOF'er and our only living NFL HOF'er?
Well, it's Friday and I have been drinking for the last hour so what the hell, I'll play ball...
Woodson and ONLY Woodson for now.
Then, in a few years a Long/Lewan dual jersey for each being 2 time All Americans.
Also, it's a Founders Centennial IPA for the Friday drinking thread.
Don't forget Jon Jansen
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Good call! A Tri-patch. Let's do it.
Woodson's #2 could be a nice jersey for Peppers. As for AC, I wonder if he'll get a patch since #1 is endowed by Braylon. What about Dierdorf's #72 or Huntchinson's #76? I could see Lewan being approached about #72, though #77 certainly has significance as well.
The whole point of the Legends program was to bring the jerseys out of retirement and out so the average and younger fans could learn about the Legends.
So I think older guys would be a good idea. Like #49 Bob Chappuis who finished #2 in the Heisman voting, served during WWII (like Harmon) and was probably the best player on the 1947 team.
Or maybe #27 for Benny Friedman. Football's first great passer. Rick Leach is a good one. #7 has had some great QBs so I kind of think of that as the QB version of #1.
I like what the Tigers do on the outfield wall at Comerica. Guys who played in the pre-jersey # era like Hughie Jennings just have their name on the wall. Michigan could do smaller patches with just the last name of the Legend on it and give it to deserving member of the team.
Two definite Legends right there. Willie Heston was the Denard of the Yost Era. He was a machine. He holds the unofficial record of most touchdowns at Michigan with 72 TDs. And Adolph "Germany" Schulz. Guy was a machine and the definition of a hard worker out there. Schulz invented the spiral snap. Go read the account from the 1908 Penn game. He was basically double-teamed the whole game and still was making plays.
The cool thing about that is that there are no restrictions like there are with jersey numbers.
The first legends jersey was not a retired number.
Shall we give DG #7 with a patch? I still feel a tinge of 'huh?' when I see him in the 12. I have to stutter-think to work out the 7-12-21 DG->12 RR->21.
And after that honestly I think they should take a break from issuing new legends patches. I thought it was a cool idea at first but I'm starting to get concerned that we're going to be changing half the team's numbers every year.
What I heard was that Woodson won't be a legend until he gets his Michigan degree. Could be a while still for him.
He has a degree in Heisman. Good enough.
He also majored in making the university a metric $hit-ton of money
We are a school, not an NFL minor league franchise. A Michigan Legend needs to fulfill that end of the bargain, too.
Woodson should be given the first-ever honorary PhD from the University of Michigan College of Ass Kicking.
Woodson probably made more money in his first year out of college without a degree than I will probably ever make with a degree in engineering. I'd say he wouldn't be much better off with one.
Woodson. Case closed.
...but I am not a huge fan of this legends jersey biz. There are plenty of cooler ways to honor Michigan Legends other than this jersey thing...which has lost it's appeal to me. This is probably the first time that I have been happy there are no down votes on the site.
What is it specifically that you don't like?
It's not that I don't like the concept, but I'd like it more if the patch wasn't so ostentatious and tacky-looking. To think someone got paid for that design work... It's a cool idea, even if I would be more happy with them leaving the jerseys retired and just simply publicizing the fact they were retired just a little more.
Also, there really needs to be a white version for the away jersey. The huge blue patch just looks strange.
The patches are huge AND ugly and the with the B1G logo and Addidas logo, the jerseys are way too busy.
Also, why wouldn't you want Jake Ryan make his own number a legend? If I was a player, I wouldn't want to wear someone else's number. If I was a player, I'd wear my own number and be my own player.
I love the idea of the #1 jersey. It means you are THE receiver in a long line of great receivers and there is no gaudy patch to ruin the uniform.
Reason why kids come to Michigan is because of tradition. Most kids would love to wear a jersey number of a prior legend. It sort of makes them feel like a legend.
You do know this started in 2011/12?
Some recruits would like this. Some like crazy uniformz... I would've jumped at the chance to wear a legends jersey if I were a player.
But I just have to comment. Somebody replied to a post with an avatar of Bob Barker and said they read the posts like Bob Barker would. I find myself reading yours in Jack's voice. Guess I know what he means.
It depends on what your definition of long is. Perhaps I'm just old, but something dating back to 1979 with a total of six WRs doesn't seem a very long line. It would still be cool to bring it back though.
Say the next Legend jersey will be the #1, Anthony Carter.
A.C. Completely worthy!
How do you deal with the political crap of Braylon endowing a scholarship for players wearing the 1 jersey? Split Legend? Is Braylon independently worthy? Is Braylon equal to A.C. Such that they both get presented at the same time? I see this as much more complicated only because of Braylon.
Wanted #1 because of what AC did. I doubt whether they'll call Braylon and ask for his permission.
Do you have any idea how many named or position-specific endowed scholarships there are for the Michigan football team? If it's not 85, it's pretty damn close. The full list is in the media guide.
I feel like I've posted this a million times, but it's just as true now as it has been the rest of the time: Braylon has NO SAY in who wears #1. The scholarship gets allotted each and every year to a WR, whether or not he's wearing #1.
And lest we forget, Braylon endowed the scholarship not to honor himself, but to honor his dad's teammate and his childhood hero, Anthony Carter. The event they threw when Braylon made the announcement wasn't about Braylon. It was about AC. And everyone loved it.
Why do we have to keep piling on Braylon about the #1 scholarship? He didn't have to do it. How many other former Michigan players who made a fortune in the NFL have made a similar endowment? It was a cool thing to do, and it's something that will be carried on in perpetuity to honor a pretty great player and the legacy he made for future guys who wore his number.
EDIT: can't find a full story, but here's the old MSC's short snippet about the 2006 announcement event, "1 to 1":
Link for the scholarships in the media guide please? Would be interested to see the list.
And I don't think people bag on Braylon for the scholarship nearly as much as they do his post-Michigan antics.
Whether it was the whole "Lloyd Carr's Michigan Wolverines" thing that caused an uprorar in the divided fan base, the DUI, pestering the coaching staff to offer his little brother and then talking trash about his alma mater after his brother signed with minnesota-
Oh well Minnesota just got one hell of a talent and hard worker, don't be surprised if he tears the maze and blue a new a$$hole soon.
— Braylon Edwards (@OfficialBraylon) November 30, 2012
However here's a similar list from 2010. http://letterwinnersmclub.com/victorsclub/honor-roll-scholarships.html
Mike Martin received Braylon's Scholarship that year.
Yeah, I think it got excised in the NCAA crackdown on media guide lengths. If you find an old one from like ~2005, the scholarship list is usually in there.
Is Braylon equal to A.C.
No way. To me it really isn't even close. That's not to say Braylon didn't make great plays, but overall as a receiver is to this day AC was good or better than any I have ever seen, and that includes pros.
After Denard? Thinking Shane Morris. That fella has potential.
Obviously Woodson. I'd also go with Mike Hart, our all time leading rusher.
Led Michigan in '25 to Yost's"greatest team" (Yost's quote). Played two ways. He and Bennie revolutionized the game with the refinement of the forward pass. Was the the first Michigan Man to turn down a professional contract to stick with the Blue! Truly a Michigan Legend.
Green picked the right #...
We are all Michigan fans and have our favorite players which bring our own personal bias to this argument. The fact of the matter, though, is that there is a big difference between good/great player and legend. Maybe call me bias, but here is how I would award "legend status"
Winner of Heisman
3+ time all American
Yep. That's about it.
I have a feeling it will be Mr. Peppers.
That cat caught somebody jerking off!
or Tyrone Wheatley 6...Time to honor the big power running backs
And honestly, no need to be a legend tag on the Michigan 1
The next in line will be Mr. Woodson!
If donkeys had votable hooves then it would be Lewan in a landslide. They don’t though, it’s science.
I think that Woodson is the easy choice, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them wait until he retires from the league to give him the patch.
but inasmuch as you seem to want to go by dates than it would have to be in the order you placed them in. After all, A.C. was perhaps the greatest player to never win the Heisman but someone managed being named AA three times, and of the other two listed one won the Heisman"instant legendary status," and the other came in either second or third to Billy Sims and is considered by many to be the greatest UM qb to play for Bo. Personally, I think Franklin was better, but Rick got the ink while Franklin possesses the best three years winning percentage of well like forever. ^Perhaps though it could be a Mandich, Deirdorf or Mckenzie, all who played on the same side of center and all who would eventually end up in the NFL hall of fame. Without players of this caliber, the qbs and rbs behind them wouldn't even make the list which is also true of the wideouts that played outside the box. We all know who the Michigan legends will become because we watched them. I just never considered there had to be a waiting period. And I aslo found it odd that you didn't list Desmond who won the Heisman prior to Charles. ^And of course we all know how good Carr was at eveluating qb talent when he had Henson and Brady at the same time and made the statement, "He's the greatest college qb I've ever seen," but was talking about Henson instead of Brady. All Brady did was bail Drew out of a lot of struggles when Lloyd was trying to give him the reigns far too quickly. Although this was a period of great UM RBs, Tom would have flourished under any pass happy team in the nation, and when things got tough like our bowl games with Bama, it was always Tom throwing the key passes to lead us to victory. And that often times is the mark of greatness, making the play when it has to be made and when the defense knows it has to be made, not simply making stress free throws without the game being on the line.
They've already stopped giving out the #2 jersey. It will be treated as the defensive equivalent of the #1, so only elite DBs will get it once they prove themselves.
Bob Ufer? There is a whole generation of Meeeeeeechigan fans that don't know what a "unbridled" fan Ufer was and what he meant to the history and passion that is Meeeeeeechigan football today.
Should be Anthony Carter hands down!
of legendary status, either how it's now applied or how we think it ought to be relative to our choice of legendary Michigan stars. As noted, Michigan is filled with great candidates from the Bo to Carr era.
So, which uniform number is considered the most revered by the staff itself in terms of awarding it to someone by performance alone? It isn't No. 2 or No. 10. Even 77, which as earned special distinction in a short time by three different players and made left offensive tackle a position of glamor at this school, that one isn't the premiere number, either. The premiere number and seemingly highest to receive is No. 1, last worn by Braylon Edwards, who sought it and definitely earned it.
And while Michigan has a laundry list of great players through the decades of this marvelous program from No. 4 to No. 7, No. 32 to No. 16, No. 10 to No. 20 and 21, Anthony Carter is still the most legendary even among two Heisman winners, two perennial all-pros and the most successful quarterback in NFL postseason history.
The reason it's Carter though is because of the way the school and program treat his status and awarding of his number, not because of other criteria.
and it isn't even close