Who steps up at corner with Turner out? I can't imagine that any of our incomming freshmen corners are going to red shirt now. Does Cullen Christian become the nickel back? Who's the dime back? Do you think anyone else will get moved to defensive secondary? I'm only a fan but my guess is Cullen Christian is our 3rd CB and James Rodgers is the dime back.
Who steps up with Turner gone?
I have been hearing good things. He may have been underrated coming out of high school because he played QB.
I would not be at all surprised to see Teric Jones move back to CB from the scrum for playing time at Safety. After all, he was able to get on the field last year as a Corner, something Turner never did, after coming in as a HB recruit.
Also, I think the point of shifting to the 3-3-5/multiple scheme was to prevent needing Nickel and Dime backs. Our LBs and SSs should be quick and strong enough to cover the flats and mid-field, and unless this is a wildly different version of the 3-3-5 I would not expect a ton of man coverage anyway. Cullen will likely be 3rd on the depth chart, but that just means that he will be pushing Floyd for playing time and spelling the starters when they need breathers.
I don't mean to be the dick of bad news, but does anyone remember the UFR's from last season on JT Floyd? I know, I know "he had a good spring :) :)" and all that fun shit that people say so I don't jump off my deck, but the fact is I am freaking out. He was sloooooow and his back-ups? Christen and Avery and walk-ons... Someboday help me. I may have a seizure.
How come no one is mentioning Terrence as a backup?
I'd let you borrow mine but it is currently in use.
would be a better CB than he is a safety and idk why...Maybe just watching his body mechanics I think he might do better out there at CB (he kinda looks like Leon Hall's build). Playing safety last year he got beat mentally alot, but perhaps his reads would be easier at corner. He was very highly touted and a switch might be good for he and the team (a la Woolfolk in 2009).
Unlike Woolfolk, Mike Williams is not fast/agile enough to move to CB.
The freshman must contribute now, if there was any question before. And beyond just Christian. We need bodies and all of them in the zone. Teric Jones is a candidate to move back to corner, played there in '09 but slotted for bandit this year
Optimistic view: Clarity. No one needs to worry about Turner coming on anymore. The bridge has been burned behind these players, and that can be good
I hear Barwis has already cured him of the stumpy legs.
Barwis can add muscle to athletes with a stern stare...
Is there any freshmen safeties that might get looks at CB now, specifically Carvin Johnson and Ray Vinopal who are both supposed to be fairly fast. I keep hearing that CB is the easiest position for a freshmen to learn so maybe they will move there for this year.
Pressure up front can easily cover up holes in the secondary. Pressured passes are bad passes. If you look at our schedule, we have only one good QB (Tolzien), a number of inexperienced QBs(Penn St, ND), one that likes to throw interceptions (Stanzi), and an overrated one that is powerless if you can stop the run (Pryor). Maybe three decent guys from Purdue, sparty, and Uconn.
If we get pressure up front and make them one-dimensional, I think that will be good enough to let the offense build a lead. There's nothing worse for an offense than simultaneously being pressured and trying to come from behind.
Cousins is a good QB, but he won't get to show it due to not having an offense around him.
Don't let disrespect for Sparty blind you. If he progresses from last year, he can play
I like your thoughts about pressure and the QB comments, I'll just add that Purdue will start a new guy, either Robert Marve (transfer from Miami also coming off ACL surgery), or Caleb TerbBush (only 22 yards passing in 2009).
Even without Graham, I'm still cautiously optimistic up front.
Highly touted/recruited QB, and ND transfer after Clausen was handed the starting job.
So you're saying we should be afraid of a guy who couldn't beat out true freshman Jimmy Clausen? Do you remember what he was like?
All I'm saying is he shouldn't be written off, and Fraser was a redshirt freshman, so I don't understand your argument. Plus do we really need to discuss how absolutely awful that ND line was? I don't want to make excuses for Clausen, but Jesus, that dude didn't have a shot in hell to do anything with that team.
I will drink 8 miller lites instead of my customary 4 on football saturdays.
I will yell at my tv at 72 decibles instead of my customary 58 decibles during those games.
I will post incessantly idiotic things on Mgoblog.com 4 times a day instead of my usual 2.
3 to go for the day.
You set yourself up for that one.
Drinking only 4 beers per game is pretty lame, brah. It's just barely one per quarter. What do you drink during half-time, some of your boyfriend's water? Step it up, kid. If you let down your liver, it will forgive you. If you let down the team, the MGoGhosts will terrorize you for the rest of your miserable days.
I plan on having 8 beers on Saturdays....before getting to the stadium.
Your avatar helps me better visualize all of these commitments you've made to be "all in for Michigan"
We've still got plenty of guys back there, folks.
us. how about the fans step up and give our guys the support they need to succeed.*
*not to say we haven't before.
The starters in front of him on the depth chart. I expect that Cullen and Courtney will now see much more time in the Zone packages.
Turner was already behind JT Floyd going into practice and could have been behind Cullen and Courtney by the start of the season. So the player that needs to step up may not have changed no matter is Turner left or not.
that true freshman are no going to have to contribute, and luckily there are candidates, but that is not the whole story.
First, Troy Wolfolk is going to have to be better than servicable, he is going to have to be good, we know he is not lock down good, but he has to emerge as an all Big Ten performer.
Next, and regarding freshman performers, Cullen Christian is going to be intregal. Freshman can be solid performers at cornerback based on little more than athleticism, this has to be the case with Christian.
Third, it is just as much scheme than personel. It has been a problem for years, but this defense in particular HAS TO be designed to not give up big plays. Michigan is going to score quite a bit in my opinion, and I think that the most important thing is going to be to make the other team work and take time to score. The safety reads and positioning on the field is going to be paramount, i.e. Iowa tight end cannot score multiple 70 yard touchdowns.
Lastly, it is the defensive front that is going to have to answer the bell as much as the secondary. Pressure, pressure, pressure. QB's with a lot of time to look could very easily pick us apart.
of your response, I believe it is you sir, that is engaging in unnecessary panic.
1. You are correct that Wolfolk has not been an all big ten performer, that is why I said that we need him to be.
2. Is it your contention that we will only need two cornerbacks this season? Yes, Cullen Christian is going to have to be a consistent performer for this defense. Listen, JT Turner wasn't going to be Charles Woodson, but I think most believed he was going to be competent, and may eventually start, his departure is not the end of the world, but it is significant.
The rest of the team
Hopefully this kid can live up to the hype,he was our top recurit,on one of the sites.He has the size,all he needs to do is make sure nobody gets behind him.
By definition, when you lose the guy at the bottom of the depth chart at his position, no "step-up" is possible as nobody was below him to "step-up." Let's not fret.
When people tell me they are happy with the state of Michigan Football, my ass begins to twitch!
I'm not sure about my ass twitching, but I'm with you. I don't like the way things are going currently. Lets sign somes studs and start winning some games again. This has been brutal.
Im a big believer in team first mentality, and it sounds, at least to me, that turner transferring might be a good indication of a lack of room discipline.. (classroom, weightrooms or film room.) Dont forget that this team is not based on the success or failure of its nickelback.
Based on the depth chart, what CB at any big ten school would transfer almost in season when they were slotted to potentially recieve big minutes and a crack at the starting spot? Not. a. single. one. All this tells me is that Turner lacked something (heart, hustle, work ethic, smarts) to get it done here, because he had the physical tools to play. This is a disappointing situation, however the team can learn from it.. (i still remember losing players mid-season to academic stuff in highschool, and that just made the remaining players a tighter bunch.)
Everyone was really excited about Turner because his recruiting hype was so high, and I get that, because I was too.
But let's say he didn't transfer today, he's still on the team and we still hear the same reports we've heard for the last year - either nothing about him at all, or reports saying he's not physically ready to contribute. How does our CB situation look then? Any different than now?
Since 2010 is likely to be no different with or without JT, look at 2011 - Avery, Christian and Talbott are sophomores, JT Floyd is a returning starter, and Greg Brown (thank God for him enrolling early), Hollowell and ??? will be freshmen. That's a young but promising CB group (and keep in mind that our three safeties will likely be very good by then) that needs a lazy Justin Turner that much less.
No doubt it's a bummer that Turner left, but he was on his was to being the Kevin Grady of cornerbacks - except that Grady actually had a promising freshman year.
This story makes me think of Kelly Baraka - minus the reefer problem. IIRC, Baraka came in highly recruited, but not ready to commit fully to the team and his own preparation.
I too would have liked to have seen what this kid could do in a couple years, but if he's that quick to jump ship, better to invest the coaching/practice time in one of the newbies.
He/she did run into Denard that one time, so we know he/she is pretty fast.
I don't know anything about the situation, and many things probably played into it.
But isn't it possible that he is transferring because somebody else has already stepped up?
If you don't know anything about the situation, you haven't been watching Jersey Shore.
If you don't know anything about the situation, you haven't been watching Jersey Shore.
I don't know anything about the situation.
i will say Turner did us a favor doing it this early because to not give someone the chance to step up and practice in camp at the CB position bc he was expected to contribute would have been a double whammy.
It kinda sucks that Rogers has never stepped up. What really sucks is that Floyd is the only sophomore CB, and we have no junior CBs.
is a RS junior
I would be surprised if Teric Jones doesn't move back to corner, because I doubt he'll play with all the talent at safety (e.g. Bandit).
That being said, JT Floyd was penciled in to be the starter on September 4th. So I don't know that anyone needs to "step up" to take Turner's place.
Furthermore, we didn't use a nickel back at any point in 2009. Steve Brown was our nickel corner. Whether that Spur position is played by Thomas Gordon, Floyd Simmons, Michael Williams, or freshmen (Furman, Johnson), you're probably not going to see nickel packages in 2010, either.
redshirt...but competition will determine this. Michigan can ill afford to redshirt anyone who can contribute at all. Teric has speed on his side. He almost caught Roundtree, which puts him one step behind Terry Hawthorne - who didn't play too badly for a freshman.