In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't mind if Funchess gets it. I think having legends numbers for all four years could really get kids motivated to become early leaders on the team. I see them less as a reward and more as a motivator.
Who should wear Ron Kramer's #87 Saturday?
Nah, I think Kovacs should get Ford's number. Something about it just makes more sense.
I just don't see it being a WR. You have got Howard's 21 and Carter's 1. I think these coaches will spread the numbers around.
Denard Robinson... duh
but has anyone considered Hopkins? He does a lot of dirty work that goes unnoticed. He also was a good sport about the position change and I think the coaches respect that.
I actually like that a lot. Is he allowed to wear 87? Jersey number rules always confuse me.
Yes, he can. Any player wearing a pass eligible number (which 87 clearly is) can line up at any pass eligible postion (which fullback definitely is) without having to report as eligible to the officials. So, while highly unorthodox for a FB to wear a number in the 80's, it's absolutely legal.
For the most part when it comes to uniform numbers, while there is a list of what positions should wear what number range, it's more of a suggestion as pretty much anyone can wear any number. The only real issue is players wearing 50-79 and 90-99 have to report as eligible on every offensive play they're in a pass eligible position.
It was my impression that there isn't any tackle-eligible rule in the NCAA; if you have an ineligible number, you're ineligible, forever and always. That's the reason you never hear it announced in college football, although you hear it in the NFL all the time.
I'm more going off of high school and NFL rules (at least when I was in high school and ran a few tackle eligble plays myself as #67), so you are partly correct. In the NCAA, if I'm not mistaken, numbers 50-79 cannot declare themselves eligible no matter what, but 90-99 still can. Of course, this still has no effect on a receiver designated number playing a backfield position, but good catch on that nonetheless.
How were we able to get Jake Long eligible for that one pass play in the bowl against Florida? I assume he was still wearing #77.
I don't remember that play and can't a video of it, but if he wasn't the first player to touch the ball after the pass was made, then he is allowed to catch the ball.
See also: Glanda, Jareth
Have we ever had a fullback wear a number in the 80s? Since I'm already asking questions of people who know more than me...
According to the Bentley Historical Library roster database, two players whose position was listed as "FB" have worn numbers in the 80s. Robert B. Westfall (1939-41) wore #86, and Leo Schlict (1951) wore #87.
A variety of other backs have worn numbers in the 80s, including the fabulously named Hercules Renda (1938-39, #85) and Ron Kramer himself (who was listed as E-HB in 1956, his senior season). But no back of any sort has worn a number in the 80s since positions were assigned standardized numbers (I'm not sure when this happened in NCAA football, but the NFL created the eligible/ineligible receiver number distinction in 1952 and implemented the more or less modern categories of numbers in 1973).
Do players wearing 90-99 have to report as eligible in the NCAA? It was my impression that this range was always "eligible" numbers - offensive linemen can't wear them, but eligible receivers can without reporting. I know several teams have TEs and WRs that wear 90-99, and it would seem like a pain for them to report on every play that they're in the game.
ooooh a Fullback wearing 87 would look really really cool! good idea
That's what I was thinking and it would also offer an excuse to throw to him, which I think is a part of his game that has been overlooked. I would love to see him on more flare and wheel routes.
I always liked the fullback coming out of the backfield on a wheel route. I remember when the Lions ran that play to Corey Schlesinger back in the day.
Okay, now get off my lawn.
I saw a writer tweet something about how Kramer's family would like to see Craig Roh wear the jersey, which I have no problems with.
hopefully its DFunch....
This guy has been through a lot since he got to Michigan. Flopping positions, RR, GERG and he's stayed all in the whole time.
True, but he's also never done much on Main Street.
Give it to Funchess. He is going to be a great.
Give it to roundtree and give Funchess 21. Have them rotate or switch at the half every othe week.
Or another way to split them: make Roundtree wear 27 and Funchess 81
Jake Ryan, just to confuse my kids even more.
What if he wore 47 on the front and 87 on the back?
On the helmet numbers if they brings them back for the Bowl Game.
Can someone clarify this for me? So does Jake Ryan wear #47 from now on or was it just 1 game? I have not quite figured out this legends jersey thing.
I feel like the patch on the Jerseys is a bit guady and makes it look clutter but maybe that is just me.
neva seems so long indeed
Hopkins or Roh are both good options.It's a shame nobody really successfully goes out for two sports anymore. Kelvin Grady was the last to sort of do it, but he was a star at neither. If any player were a big part of both teams, they'd be a shoe in.
but because he's already a special player and will certainly be a Michigan legend, he also keeps his 16 - so his new number is 1687. Makes perfect sense to me...
So, are these legend jerseys a 1-time thing? Are they rotating on a weekly basis? Will we honor Gerald Ford or something next week?
I can't keep track of all these marketing gimiks that Dave Brandon is throwing at the wall (like shit) just to see what sticks.
Brandon has figured out if he changes the player numbers enough throughout the season, the re-printing and sales of each updated version of the game programs will be a profit center for the team... not to mention fans will have to buy new jerseys when their favorite player's number changes!
Our AD is a marketing and financial genius!
The jersey thing isn't that complicated, and I doubt if DB came up with it all on his own. He's honoring Michigan legends, fergodsakes.
The player keeps the jersey number, period. It doesn't change every week, and I'm pretty sure stays put until the player graduates. It's really not that complex.
EDIT: Also, why the FUCK is everyone so opposed to our athletic department making money? Look at our recent renovations: stadium, scoreboards, Crisler, Yost...all that shit costs money. Plus the revenue supports other programs. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything, so STFU.
They are the same people who threw a fit when Michigan renovated Michigan Stadium in 2007.
Nobody is opposed to our athletic department making money. But there are two questions: the tradeoff between money and dignity, and the tradeoff between short-term profits and long-term value.
We could sell the naming rights to the stadium, without a doubt, and make even more money. But it wouldn't be right for such a storied program to play in Dominos Field at Little Caesars Stadium or something like that. At some point, the class and dignity of the program is worth more than a moderate financial gain. It's a matter of individual opinion whether things like wearing 6 different jerseys in one season or unretiring numbers get close to this line, but they're at least part of the discussion.
Also to be considered is whether the emphasis on short-term profits hurts the long-term value of the program. Schools like Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, and Texas have a lot of intangible value associated with their program's image as a traditional power. You can look back decades at star players from each of these schools, wearing more or less the same uniform that today's players are wearing, and feel a connection. Retired numbers are part of that. I remember going to Michigan Stadium when I was nine years old and seeing Tom Harmon's name in the program as a number that would never be worn again, and wondering what it would have been like to see him play if he was so good that no one would ever be worthy of wearing #98 again. That is a mystique that nouveau riche programs don't have, and it's certainly worth something (even if you only care to look at finances). It's also a matter of individual opinion whether seeing that number again with a jersey patch explaining its history is a better or worse way of recognizing our program's tradition, but again, this must be part of the discussion.
You have officially lost it if you think Michigan would EVER sell the rights to ANY building they own.
Go up and ask a college kid or the average fan who has their number retired and they can't name them all of them or any. This is a great way to let their legacies live on instead of being in a display case. People will see the patch, and do research if they don't know.
I'm not that sure if #98 should be worn either. I think Michigan should paint a big number 98 on one of the luxury boxes. Sort of like how Jackie Robinson's #42 is painted on the wall at Comerica. No name, just the number.
That is one number I'm not sure if we'll EVER see a player as good as Harmon, so I don't think it should be worn. It should be put up somehwere where everyone can see it.
kick extra points, or maybe play a little defense, then I think it fits.
I'm not suggesting that Michigan should or would sell the naming rights to the stadium. I only brought that up as an example of one extreme to illustrate that "it makes more money" shouldn't be a complete justification for new AD initiatives (As "ND Sux" implied).
I don't think you can see me, but I'm giving you a standing slow clap right now...
Seems like a lock for funchess.
Boubacar Cissoko had a very promising Freshman year and then things fell apart. You can't give a Legend number to a guy who has only played in two games.
The 1 jersey was given to incoming freshman for something like two decades straight. I'd love to see these go to freshman routinely, and upperclassmen if they ask for it (Braylon).
If Desmond was given the 1 jersey after it was clear how good he was, we wouldn't have a 21 patch to hand out today.
Give it to Funchess. And in the future, give all these numbers to freshman. Use it as a recruiting tool. I believe that is how the number 1 jersey thing started. Bo wanted an extra edge to pull Carter from Florida. I think if you look before Carter, the #1 jersey was just a jersey assigned to whoever.
"Here, Freshman WR. Here's the #21 legends jersey. Wear it proudly!"
"Oh, what's that originally unheralded but now star Senior WR? No, I'm sorry. You deserve it, but we gave it away to a five star."
Or, alternatively, Scenario 2:
"Here, Freshman WR! Here's the #21 Legends jersey! We know you'll represent for us and for our history!"
...one year later...
"Oh, sorry guy. Yeah... a senior has asked for this, and you know, he's really earned it, so... no no, it's not that you didn't. You're great and all, but uh... we're gonna just have to take this now."
At the end of the day, it's just a jersey number. It's not that important in the big scheme of things.
If you don't have a Legends number, that means you're not playing in anyone's shadow. You can create your own legacy.
To be fair, it's also a special locker.
Obviously if it's been issued, someone else can't just come and snatch it. If we get Treadwell and he's given the 1 jersey, I don't expect Hoke to just hand it to Gardner after he's played a season with it. If Hoke doesn't give Treadwell the 1, Gardner can ask for it because nobody is wearing it.
If we're giving it away as a recruting tool, then a senior who wasn't heavily recruited, but came in and played his guts out and became a star later in his career can't earn it? You said upper classmen can ask for it, but if we're using it as a recruiting tool, it's never going to be available to ask for.
The point of the jerseys shouldn't be to reward a player, they should be to motivate. I would prefer to give it to a freshman who might be a leader on the team someday (even if he doesn't become a star) than give it to a player who is a star on the field but maybe hasn't taken as much of a leadership role in the locker room.
The 1 was vacant for Braylon, and it had been used as a recruiting tool since Carter.
Tyrone Butterfield never would've come to Michigan without the possibility of wearing #1.
Go easy on Buterfield. If he doesn't drop the prior pass and allow the clock to stop, Mercury never gets to catch the game winner against Virgina.
it will improve your poetic meter...
Yards come in bunches
For our man Devin Funchess
Four score and seven.
my #10 jersey (Tom Brady era) will be meaningless.
Hard to measure his value...what unit applies?
We can honor Gallon and his number in the future by assigning one player each season to where a 10-gallon hat whenever they're on the sidelines.
But if we are honoring Gallon, shouldn't they be wearing a cloaking device when close to the sidelines?
It would be a great motivator and he obviously has the talent to wear it well for four years.
Being a senior. They can't have a reissuing of legends jerseys every year.
Hemingway got the first legends jersey. Roundtree got it next. Both seniors. I expect there will only be a ceremony the first time around
Funchess should get it. Using the methodology that the #1 had prior to being hijacked by Braylon, Funchess is the perfect fit. Dynamic player at the position the "Legend" played.
Yeah, I was going to come in here suggesting Devin. Looks like you guys covered that for me, but it just has to be Funchess, it's the perfect fit for him.
I sure do hope its Funchess, but I'm not quite sure how much he loves his current #19 jersey. To me it has to be a TE and who better than the Funchise.
I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum but I really do not like this whole legends jersey thing. It creates unnecessary expectations on the players who receive the honor. Plus, it really limits the ability for a great player to make their own number historical. When I see 16, I'm going to think Denard, I don't want him to get some other dude's number cuz he's done a nice job. That other guy was good, but he wasn't Denard.
You never know who's going to be great next. The whole things has this silly, cheap feeling to it. I hope it goes away just as quickly as these stupid alternate jerseys go away.
The #1 jersey does?
the number one jersey doesn't have a tacky patch on it. How would we feel if Desmond Howard and Chuck Woodson were not establishing their own legacy numbers but living up to someone else's? I for one think most jersey numbers at Michigan have an amazing legacy of multiple players. We should definitely honor past players, legacy jerseys is not good option imhe.
/Dave Brandon only understands marketing
Not yet anyway.
Having to live up to Anthony Carter, and not creating his own path? I mean, why would the all time leading receiver for Michigan want to walk in Carter's shadow....oh, wait, he requested it.
If you don't want it as an upperclassman who is establishing his own legacy, then don't take it. If it's a freshman who doesn't have a choice, then you're probably giving it to a guy who you think can live up to it. (And the only guy to ever wear #1 who might have a claim to accomplishing close to what AC did is Braylon...so it won't happen that often). And if you end up being really good, you've just helped create/carry on a tradition for something special.
Or you could just retire them like before, have no one able to wear 2 or 21, not have it as a recruiting tool, start running out of numbers, and in time have everyone forget who even wore those numbers anyway. "Marketing" says to me we're doing it to make money. And I don't think we'd be selling any more than if they were still retired. Might sell more if a player is wearing them, sure, but if that's so objectionable, let's get #1 out of circulation too.
Sounds like the biggest objection is you don't like the design of the patch. Send in your improved design, maybe they take it. But it's just your opinion that they're "tacky."
Overall, it's just a number.
Clearly it's not a "big deal" since it's just a number. No arguments there. This whole blog is pretty much not a "big deal" since it's just a sport. Given that context though, I retain my opinion that this is a stupid idea. The idea of luring a recruit with a jersey is assinine. This is Michigan fergodsakes.
If you want to bring it out of retirement, go for it. If a certain players want the number then great. The way they're doing it just feels tacky and overdone. Just my opinion.
Neg this post please
I have to agree with the idea that we need to be focusing on position groups with the numbers. We already have a WR. Although you could make an argument for a FB/TE number, I don't think anyone on our roster has earned that number yet.
I like the idea of giving it to Roh. We need one for the D-Line, and Roh is the only guy on this line that deserves it.
We have 87 and 48 still to give out this fall. I don't see either being given to a WR or LB.
Looking ahead, I think #2 will be a legends jersey very soon, and that will go to a DB.
I like Ford's 48 for a RB/FB/TE. I'm a little surprised that his number wasn't saved for Ryan, since Ford actually played LB, but it's a number that works for fullbacks and TEs.
48 is a number best suited for FBs, DBs, and TEs, in that order. 87 is technically for WRs and TEs, but D-lineman can wear it as well.
I guess I'd predict that 87 goes to Roh, and 48 goes to...Fitz.
EDIT: My thinking on the Fitz choice is that we badly need a RB legends number. We need to improve the profile for that position because for Hoke-man-bear-ball to work, we need great RBs.
I know it is not a given that the #98 will be given out as a legacy jersey, but I feel like that would be an awesome number for a running back. I don't know if that creates an issue with eligible receivers or whatever, but if a kid really wants to step into the shoes of a legend then you can't do much better. Plus, he would be the only back in the nation wearing 98, which I think would appeal to some players. If 98 isn't a possible number for RBs, though, disregard.
First off...#2 has to be Countess, and #98, due to the rules...should go to Matt Wile. Harmon was an All-American kicker/punter and Wile is very good at both.
#21 is Roundtree, who knows who wears it next year...It could be Gallon, Gardner, Jackson or even Darboh.
#47 is Ryan, good fit...but could've easily gone to a number of other guys. No need to speculate, it'll be Jake's for awhile
#48 - Ford played Linebacker, but many actually know him as a center. #48 is Elliott Mealer if you ask me. As long as the rules say he can wear that number. If not, Kenny Demens or maybe Joe Bolden.
#87 I think is Craig Roh...next year, who knows. Maybe Funchess or Williams.
So what makes you think Woodson will be retired before Countess graduates?
He plays DE and Kramer played TE and DE...if not Roh, then maybe Brandon Moore?
Obviously if you were going to give it to a freshman, it would be Funchess or Strobel.
I vote for Devin Funchess. I'm biased because I know him and I have a class with him but like others have said he can live up to the number over the next four years. Also, he played basketball in HS similar to Kramer.
It seems like everyone is forgetting Tacopants...
have spoken, and the winner is.........................Roh.
Just had a thought on the Wisert Brothers' #11. Thinking ahead here folks. I don't know how to get an exception from the NCAA for numbers, but I'd love the #11 to go to a heritage player, someone who is in a line of UM family players. The Wiserts were all amazing, but what makes them especially amazing is that there were three of them. I like what this says as well - Michigan runs in the blood. It's tradition.
I would be so happy if Mealer were to get the #11 in honor of him and his family, particularly Elliot Mealer after all he has gone through. I don't think that jersey could be honored any better than that.
All the other jerseys go to players the combine elements of exceptional talent / leadership / character. I agree. But this one jersy, I propose the elements are: