Maybe I'm giving up, but I don't think we're going to win the Big 10. It's very difficult to do it with 2 conference losses, but I'm sure it's happened. I would actually love to see Iowa win the Big 10 and get to the Rose Bowl or even NC game if we can't. Go Hawkeyes.
Who to root for: MSU or Iowa?
If Iowa loses Saturday, we are right back in the race as long as we keep winning.
The optimist in me wants to root for Iowa.
The realist, however, realizes that while each remaining game on our schedule is either winnable as a slight dog (PSU, @Wiscy, OSU) or winnable as a strong favorite (@Ill, Purdue), the likelihood that we run the table is rather low.
So, do I don the "We're still in it" helmet or the Schaudenfreud helmet? I haven't decided.
Michigan is not winning the Big Ten or a share. Go Hawkeyes because f#%k Michigan State.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Iowa drop a single game in conference this year, but I still see them being the Conference champs. A one loss (or no loss) Iowa going into the Rose Bowl would look pretty good. Let's just hope it's not another Rose Bowl blowout by the Pac 10.
All the Big Ten needs is somebody other than USC in the Rose Bowl. Oregon, fine, Cal, fine (though nearly impossible now), anybody but USC, fine. The Trojan formula just completely derails a Big Ten attack, that is, until UM gets this thing in full gear... a new day is coming.
v. B10 in the Rose Bowl it will be a bloodbath again.
Pete Carrol totally outcoached Ferentz in their Orange Bowl meeting and that USC team was not nearly as talented as this one. They had a great QB in Palmer but not the wealth of 5 stars across the roster that they do now.
If msu beats Iowa, they could very easily win out and I'll be damned if msu even gets a share of the b10 this year. Go Hawks!
With the exception of seeing Michigan win out this year, I can't think of anything I'd rather see this football season come to than an undefeated Iowa team playing for the MNC, (and beating some SEC team like a red-headed step child on the way to a victory).
While the BigTen title is what we should always be striving for, I'm looking at the probabilities rationally and assuming not so much.
In that case, we want Iowa to win.
- Iowa stays high in the polls. The BigTen doesn't have another team capable of staying high in the polls.
- Michigan State loses. We'll be competing with them for bowl placement.
- Michigan State loses. Apparently a lot of people on this board like that.
- I feel like our close loss to a highly ranked Iowa team does more for us than our close loss to a meh Michigan State team.
I think it's better for Michigan, and the Big 10, for Iowa to win.
Besides... when in doubt, and unless you have a compelling reason... FYS is FYS for a reason.
and with State's schedule this year, we have vitually no chance to win the conference. I'll be rooting for Iowa.
For anyone entertaining thoughts of actually pulling for Sparty I suggest you relax, think back to last year, and recall the idiot Dantonio and the loser bill board guy from Sparty.
Need say no more.
I'd rather not have MSU leading the Big Ten. Ever. I don't think I could withstand the smug coming out of East Lansing (and I can't find a video with the South Park reference. Crap.).
Are you for real? If MSU wins, they have the inside track to the Big Ten title. I'm guessing they'd finish 6-2 (loss to Penn State) and would be on top in most if not all tie-breaker scenerios. You think State fans are obnoxious now...
Also, I don't think we're going to win the conference. We'll probably have 1 more conference loss. Even if we win out, I don't know how we would fare in the tie-breaker scenarios.
MSU with a win here would be in contention for the B10 title, a loss here would probably ruin their chances this.
Also I want Sparty to lose every week unless they are playing ND or OSU.
That said Go Hawks.
Is the line still even for the game?
1) We need to beat Penn State on saturday
2) Sparty needs to lose once more which I'm not worried about except that...
3) Iowa needs to lose 2 games. After Sparty on saturday, they only have one more tough game (at OSU), so we would need a sparty victory this weekend.... and I hate rooting for them, especially against a team like Iowa, who I am pulling for this year.
4)We would have to win out, and we would have to account for OSU's loss.
Conclusion: Nothing is impossible, but come on. Look at our remaining schedule. Can you realistically see Iowa losing twice while we make it through PSU, Purdue, Illinois, Wisky, and OSU unscathed? I love this team, and no doubt they have the ability to win each game left on the schedule, but I dont think that they have the ability to win ALL of them. (That made sense in my head. I hope it does to you all, too)
Best case scenario right now: M finishes in the middle of a logjam of 2-loss teams, but most likely we will finish with 4-4 in the conference, which is fine by me, so long as we can finally beat the buckeyes.
Also, I'm pulling for the Hawkeyes. I would love to see them win out this year.
I'm pulling for Iowa all the way.
For all the reasons that have been stated above I want Iowa to win. The Big Ten title is not gonna happen, and I DO NOT wanna listen to State fans any more than we are already going to have to after losing to them two years in a row. I have no beef with Iowa, and the only times I ever root for MSU are against ND, OSU, or if it directly benefits Michigan.
No way in hell I'd ever root for MSU.
What about MSU-OSU or MSU-ND. I generally root for MSU in the OSU game and very occasionally in the ND game.
In that case I choose to either take the moral high road and root for neither. I root for it to be an incredibly ugly game, but unless it's going to be a huge upset (i.e. OSU undefeated vs. terrible MSU team, etc.) I'm indifferent.
For the plane carrying Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and Osama bin Laden to explode in a crash at midfield during the coin flip?
I root for OSU against MSU. My position is that MSU is litle brother and has no place at the big boys' table. I don't want Sparty beating OSU went we are not.
I'm now going to go smack myself for writing that cheesy sentence, but it's true.
Iowa is the Big Ten's last chance for the NC game. Also, I can't stand to listen to Sparty fans brag. This one is a no-brainer for me. Sorry, but I really want to see a typical late-season Sparty Swoon, like 5-7 or 4-8 for the season. Let's see what they do with their "bragging rights" then.
The people are nice there, and the town is awesome.
Plus its hard for them to go all LOLBIG10TITLE DANTONIOBITCHES seeing as they're far away from Michigan, and Dantonio isn't their coach.
It's not that I hate Michigan State, I just dislike Dantonio. If John L was still their coach...
Dantonio is a shit stain on the coaching profession. I've hated him ever since he took things personally and publicly attacked Mike Hart, an amateur athlete, in the press. To help put things in perspective, Mike Gundy flipped out because he felt that a reporter was doing that with one of his own players! And I've mentioned this before, but when Woody Hayes was not going crazy from high blood sugar and punching players, as far as I know he NEVER publicly criticized other teams' players, even Michigan's. As shady as he may be, you'll never see that from Tressel. Dantonio basically broke a long-held unwritten rule and was given a free pass by the media because they like to see him as the messiah who brings order and success to MSU.
I have to pull for Iowa. You'd have to ask yourself,
who would you rather have represent the Big 10 in either
the Rose Bowl or possibly NC game? Iowa or MSU?
End of Story.
I really can't stomach this MSU football team having a chance at winning the Big 10. (they just aren't that good)
I do think Iowa may lose a couple before its all over though.
My eyes went crossed-eyed after reading that. Either way, you cheer for Iowa to win out.
I know the ultimate goal is the Big Ten title, but let's just be happy with the progress of our team and let those dreams die for this year.
If we win out and Iowa wins out, then there's a chance of a 2006 scenario with Iowa in the NC (which I wouldn't mind seeing at all) and us in the Rose Bowl (no conference title, but the Rose Bowl nonetheless). I think we'd have to look pretty good to still get that bid, even if we win out (which is highly improbable itself).
I really don't think that's going to happen, but I think it's more probable than winning the conference title.
Actually, due to the recent change in the BCS, that chance of Iowa to MNC and Michigan to the Rose Bowl is almost nonexistent. If the Rose Bowl loses a Pac10 or BigTen champ to the MNC, they have to take a qualifying non-BCS school.
I thought that too, but looked it up to make sure. That starts in 2011.
IF they go unbeaten, along with Texas and the Fla/Bama winner then the BCS has another crap sandwich to deal with.
Lots of ifs, but not out of the realm of possibility.
I har what the OP is saying about Big 10 title. I have been saying for two weeks that we would be 8-2 heading into Wisco, so I believe we remain contenders. But, obvs, we need to win out and that's the first focus.
I know from a tiebreaker standpoint, we want to pull for MSU.
But, I am smitten with Iowa. I echo any sentiments in this thread promoting them as national contenders. If Michigan cant win the Big 10 in whatever year, I would much rather see an upstart (even if it is MSU, frankly) as opposed to ohio state. Its kinda neat seeing a new Big 10 not only lead the pack, but become prime BCS Title contenders.
So, an Iowa win wuold hurt are small chances at winning the league title, but I am kinda leaning for iowa here. besides, they make other QBs look terrible, they're going to knock around Cousins and win the game. I'm betting them, so thats another reason to Go Hawks this weekend.
I guess there is a little Mark Dantonio in all of us, if we pull for Iowa, even though it hurts our chances. Oh well.
To summarize my position, I will paraphrase a Bo quote: "To hell with Sparty."
But MSU is going to drub Iowa by two to four touchdowns. Iowa has been surviving by using the barely serviceable Stanzi, having other teams break down (PSU, UM's five TO's, Wisconsin having major gas problems)--and Sparty is being their workmanlike Dantonio selves.
MSU 32 Iowa 12
The word is "Fight! Fight! Fight! for IOWA,
Let every loyal Iowan sing;
The word is "Fight! Fight! Fight! for IOWA,"
Until the walls and rafters ring (Go Hawks!)
Come on and cheer, cheer, cheer, for IOWA
Come on and cheer until you hear the final gun.
The word is "Fight! Fight! Fight! for IOWA,"
Until the game is won.
The Hawkeyes need to lose three times. The BCS standing tie-breaker kicks in after overall record. In the OSU-Iowa-Michigan three way tie, OSU is out due to winning percentage (tie-break clause 5c), then it reverts to Iowa-Michigan head-to-head (5d).
Big Ten tie-break rules:
I'd root for MSU to give these guys a shot to get a ring.
I root for whatever helps Michigan....up to a point. It doesn't really directly affect Michigan if Iowa loses, it just increases the probability of a Big Ten championship by small fractions of a percentage point. Not worth it. Besides, I've always liked Iowa and would be more than happy to see them represent the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl. Definitely will not be pulling for Sparty.
to shit themselves. Go Iowa.
The best scenario for Michigan is that both the Wolverines and the Hawkeyes win out. In that case, the Hawkeyes have a pretty good shot at being seeded into the N.C. game, in which case the Wolverines would get an at-large berth in the Rose Bowl, provided the Spartans lose at least twice more, including this weekend.
Under just about any plausible scenario where the Hawkeyes have 2 losses, Michigan would lose the tie-breaker, and the Hawkeyes are highly unlikely to lose 3 times. If any Big Ten team has just 1 loss, that team obviously goes to the Rose Bowl ahead of Michigan.
So the best scenario for Michigan, albeit still unlikely, is that Michigan and Iowa win out. Any other scenario is less advantageous to the Wolverines.
You have to root for Iowa! Have you seen Sparty's schedule? If they pull off a win this weekend they could easily coast to a season ending showdown at home vs. the Nittany Lions with a Big Ten title on the line.
If that does occur and they manage to pull it out, do you think we could successfully petition the Big Ten to put an asterisk next to their entry in the record book because they didn't play OSU and had us, Iowa, and Penn St. at home? That's so ridiculous!!! Their toughest road game was at Wisconsin, which they lost!! I'm going to be screaming this from the rooftops on the radio and I fully anticipate Mike Valenti (who really is the biggest douche I've ever laid ears on) to dismiss me as a Michigan homer but there's no way to deny that it's a creampuff schedule.
When we beat Sparty I like to see them win out (makes our win look better). but when we loose i want them to loose every other game. so GO HAWKS! im so sick of listening to the sparty fans crawl out from under their rock and puff out their chests once a decade (in this case twice) when they have a decent year and when the ball bounces their way and they evade another loss to the big brother.
Iowa. It's a long-shot to be in Big Ten title contention at this point and more likely for State. I'd much rather see the Hawkeyes get pasted by USC in the Rose Bowl than have Sparty on t.v. with flowers in their mouth.
After spending the weekend in Iowa City a few weeks back I decided that I will root for the Hawkeyes against every single team except Michigan for as long as I live. Great town! Great People! Great Weekend!
Iowa. Since we probably won't be in title contention til next year, I want Iowa to win.
It is absolutely, positively NOT in our best interests for MSU to win the Big Ten title. Accordingly, we should want them to lose. Iowa winning it really doesn't matter from our perspective.