Who as a Michigan insider can we trust the most?

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Who is the most trusted Michigan Football insider that we can trust with the AD and coaching search talk going on? I don't know the reason why Gregg Henson so hated on here, I just discovered him recently. John U Bacon seems to be changing his thoughts about who Michigan will hire a little lately.

Tater

November 25th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^

True insiders are all going to adhere to "the code."  It's like kayfabe; they won't reveal the secrets of the carnival to outsiders.  I am guessing most of the info so far consists of educated guesses from those who are only one degree of separation from being true insiders being passed to those another degree down the chain.

 

mdonley

November 25th, 2014 at 8:23 PM ^

I think the opposite I think most sites just guess as what will happen based on media chatter and what a few former players tell them. Same with most people on message boards they don't say who told them stuff not to protect their sources they do it cause if people knew who told them the supposed "Inside Info" they might be laughed at. I know one guy who is a board hero on Rivals who's inside connection to Michigan Football is one of the girls who cleans the offices at Schembechler Hall at night. I don't know about you but I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket based on what Juanita the cleaning lady thinks is going on.

Mr Miggle

November 25th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^

hard to come by. Those involved with the search are rarely sources. Instead the rumors and bits of info are leaked by agents and potential candidates. There's no inside source for them as they're scattered all over. They're often self serving anyway, designed to get a raise to stay put or just to get their name out there..

turd ferguson

November 25th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^

It depends.  "Inside" of what?

To get inside this current staff/team, Sam is the guy.  But this staff is about to get swept out, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with Sam as a source, and we don't know who, if anyone, will have that kind of access to the next staff.

Bacon has some institutional and AD connections, but he almost certainly isn't connected to Schlissel or Hackett, and some have questioned whether Bacon tends to hear one side of multi-sided stories.

Probably no media member is connected to Schlissel or Hackett in a useful, insidery way, since Schlissel is brand new to the Michigan community and Hackett has been detached from it for some time.

Brian's run for the Board of Regents (and possible seat on the Board) could provide access to a lot of interesting information, and I'm eager to see how he handles all of that.

Then there are other ways of getting access, though the information is messier.  Some of the recruiting types (like Tom VH) have access to players, because they got to know them while covering recruiting.  Others are connected in one way or another to potential coaching candidates, though it's hard to know what to make of any information that comes from that direction.  This includes a supposedly decades-old Bacon-to-Harbaugh connection, though I can't tell whether there's a meaningful, ongoing relationship there.  (Others might know more.)  Gregg Henson seems to have access to a former player, but he likely presents his access to the program and coaching decision-making as much better than it actually is.

There's a chance that we'll be very much in the dark about this coaching search until very late in the game.

mgowill

November 25th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^

Gregg Henson says what people want to hear, so they tune in.  In this day and age, something that was a tweeted opinion can become reported as fact.  Since someone reported it, it's credible.  Even though the original source was someone's opinion.  (Harbaugh's wife doesn't want to leave the bay area, for example) Henson takes a lot of this speculation, mixes it in with some factual information, and PRESTO! - people are clicking his articles and citing him as a credible source.

His defenders will say that he knew about the letter the former players wrote, which he did but he got all the facts about the letter completely wrong.

His defenders also say that he called Brady Hoke as the head coach before it was announced.  All I can say is that sometimes assclowns get lucky.

My guess is that we are in a part of the timeline where the information you might be seeking (who and when will there be a new head coach) is just not available.  After the Ohio State game, we will get into a different part of the timeline where people will be engaged to start doing things.  That's when Sam Webb and John Bacon will start having things to "report."

Stringer Bell

November 25th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^

So predicting that Brady Hoke would be the next head coach is saying what people wanna hear?  And I guess he was just lucky when he said way back in early September that Dave Brandon was rapidly losing support and would be fired this year.  I know everyone here hates him and it must drive you all crazy that he's been right on a lot of things lately.

mgowill

November 25th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^

Oh you mean like this quote?

"I’m not afraid to admit I am wrong.  Last night I tweeted that Dave Brandon would be fired early next week and I was WRONG.  Dave Brandon will be allowed to resign today by University of Michigan President Mark Schlissel.  A press conference will be held at 1:30 to make it official."

Or this one?

"I’m told that Brandon’s refusal to resign has “complicated” the issue, meaning they will be forced to fire him and pay him out through the remainder of his contract."

The guy basically stabs at air.  He essentially gets lucky every once in a while.  If you spend any amount of time reading his stuff after something happens - it reads that he is not informed of a whole lot and uses what little he does know to make the rest up.

TennBlue

November 25th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^

is not going to be saying anything, or they will no longer be allowed to know anything.

 

Those who claim to know are at best guessing. Most are simply fishing for attention and clicks.

Moonlight Graham

November 25th, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^

own personal humble perspective it doesn't seem like anyone knows anything, with the possible exception of BRIAN in his Searchbits posts ... he seems to know something about something or another. 

EDIT: And I am glad that making this pronouncement is what puts me over 1000 MGoPoints. Glad it wasn't my posting the Arizona-Utah score every so often during the Maryland game thread which got several folks surprisingly heatedly upset. 

mgoblue78

November 25th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

with actual knowledge isn't talking.

There is no sportswriter, blogger, radio or tv announcer who knows anything whatsoever about this process. 

They are all blowing smoke.

The ones that are honest about it will say "I don't know anything, but" ....and then proceed to speculate without any grounds whatsoever.

The other thing to keep in mind is that none of them have ever had a position of responsibility or other experience that is even remotely comparable to the AD and HC evaluation, hiring and firing processes, so their opinions on the subject are utterly worthless.

AZBlue

November 25th, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^

- from Freddy J. most likely and maybe a few others -  and none of those folks would have any inside info on the current situation.

The exception being the steady acceptance that the staff will be gone after this year as seen by Sam's slowly changing statements on whether Hoke would/should be retained.

mdonley

November 25th, 2014 at 12:33 PM ^

I can tell you who you can't believe. Balas from the Wolverine or anybody who has said Les Miles won't be considered for the Michigan job. I live in Ann Arbor unlike a lot of so called "Insiders" and I have talked to two of the regents, a former associate athletic director and two huge donor's and all of them have assured me Les is on the very short list of people who will be considered if Harbaugh doesn't come.

mdonley

November 25th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

I talked to Al Glick. I am from Jackson used to talk to him all the time at "My Place" and became friends there with him. He's older now and doesn't go down to the bar much and My Place is now called Rookies Sports bar. As I said on another forum I have talked to Glick,Bernstein and a couple other people and all of them have said "If there is a coaching change Les would be on the very,very short list" So if other people's sources are better than the people I mentioned I will apologize and say I was wrong.

Brodie

November 25th, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^

I love that 5 people are stupid enough to think this poorly written message board post from someone whose sole credential is living in Ann Arbor is probably legit. Yeah, I'm sure you're having long in depth conversations with Andrea Fischer Newman about how we're going to hire a 62 year old illterate scumbag... I'm sure numerous regents take time out of their very busy schedules to sit down and tell you, random resident of a fairly large city, everything about our coaching search. Because you just know that Julie Donovan Darlow is getting briefed on every detail!

 

mdonley

November 25th, 2014 at 2:05 PM ^

Couple things first people who mention grammar or proper writing techniques on sports message boards usually have zero credability.  2nd before trying to be a smart ass douche bag maybe you could of just asked me who I talked to. Unlike other so call "Insiders" I have no problem mentioning who I got my info from. I talked to Mark Bernstein (ran into him down at CUBS AC) and asked him directly, Ran into Al last weekend and asked him the same question and was given the same answer (all of them respect Hoke so their answer were all hypothetical that if we were to have a coaching change) also talked to Bruce Madej who also said the same thing.  So message board warrior if you have better sources than those and would like to name them by all means do so. If not than continue on your current job of being a message board douche who has no clue what he's talking about.

Brodie

November 25th, 2014 at 2:41 PM ^

People who insist on correct grammar have no credability but people who make claims of INSIDER STATUZ that cannot possibly be substantiated do? You're peddling bullshit. Mark Bernstein is not sitting around a fucking sports bar telling people who don't know how to use apostrophes correctly about who we're going to hire.

Look, I can do the same thing you are: I seen Jim Hackett the other day at the Pinkberry in Briarwood and he telled me that we is for sure going too hire Bob Stitt and drop to D3 and play Chicago again every year... nobody but me would possibly know this because nobody but me lives in Ann Arbor!

mdonley

November 25th, 2014 at 3:04 PM ^

Dumbest reply ever. You must not live here cause if you did you would know it's not that uncommon to be sitting at a place to eat in Ann Arbor and run into a regent,member of the athletic staff or a donor. And regardless of what people like you say they will answer questions and give their opinions on stuff. I think all these sites have convinced people that you have to have secret double agent abilities to get any info and that just isn't the case. A regular person can walk into the Gandy Dancer,Cubs AC,Webers Inn or even the Chop House and strike up a conversation with somebody who is connected.

NRK

November 25th, 2014 at 5:29 PM ^

I was a bit surprised the post got upvotes. After all, I made a snarkily underhanded comment about the use of apostrophes just below...

Maybe he did run into a regent, or assistant AD. Maybe they did have that conversation. I don't know. But I know I have no way of verifying that, and even if I did, I wouldn't give it much weight.

A public face is not a private face. It is easy to say to random citizen "Les Miles is on the short list" because it is easily deniable (didn't say that or it was misintrepreted), and because all it is saying is he is on a list somewhere. It doesn't even mean you have to seriously consider him, or didn't already eliminate him in the first round off wants. He was on the short list. Great. In a casual conversation a representative of a corporation (and I'm including a University's atheltic department in this) handle things that way because its a public-friendly view that has little, if any, drawbacks. If we were NOT actually considering Les Miles what is gained from telling you that?

Also, all of that presumes that the regents have a strong feed of what is going on, which I doubt they are kept in the loop to that level of detail. They may want to know, or ask around and get some information, but it would surprise me that the regents would be hands on. Put another way (keeping my corporate analogy) the board of directors doesn't get daily updates on the candidate list for a company's office manager at a particular building.

I'll say it: I don't know. People who might know only know what they are told. People who claim to know only know what they are told. I'll take in all I can get, but I also read it in that context. One day, I'll find out who the next coach is.

turd ferguson

November 25th, 2014 at 5:39 PM ^

On top of that, if I were at a restaurant and some guy approached me to ask a lot of questions about whether Michigan is seriously considering Les Miles, the easiest way out of that (probably unpleasant) situation is to say, "Yes, Michigan will very seriously consider Les Miles."

In that situation, the guy could be asking about hiring Fielding Yost and I'd probably tell him that we're very serious about it if he is.

mdonley

November 25th, 2014 at 8:29 PM ^

I know these people so it's not like I was sitting around waiting for them to show up to ask them questions. I honestly believe cause of message boards and the way people try to act like everything is secret agent stuff that people actually have a really hard time believing a average poster like me could just find out simply by asking somebody they've known for 10plus years. Like I said before everybody is entitled to believe whatever they want or whoever. I just know from living in Ann Arbor that you don't have to sign a oath in blood to get info around this town about our sports programs.

Alton

November 25th, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^

There are people who claim to have inside sources.  There are people who actually do have inside sources.  And there are the inside sources themselves.  Every one of those people has an agenda that they are pushing.

So even if information is coming from somebody who actually knows something, the fact is that person is pushing an agenda by releasing the information to the public:  they are either trying to make something happen or to keep it from happening, and putting the information out in public is often the best way to accomplish what you want. 

For a perfect example, remember the whole ESPN/Les Miles thing in December 2007:  if somebody wanted to prevent Les Miles from becoming Michigan's head coach, they could not have accomplished their purpose any more easily than by making him choose between Michigan and LSU on the day of the SEC championship game.  So somebody had an agenda, pushed some "information" (whether true or false doesn't matter) to ESPN, and kept Miles away.  Maybe it wasn't going to happen anyway, but they made sure that it didn't happen (and that it looked like Miles made the decision, not Michigan).

ghostofhoke

November 25th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

Why would we trust anyone? All they're trying to do is get headlines and clicks. Nobody has useful information--or at least nobody has proven so when it comes to coaching searches in the past. Boy am I looking forward to the coming months of more speculation and hypothetical threads that are already out of control.

/s

BeatOSU52

November 25th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^

The Beaver from GBW is clearly clueless when it comes to recruiting, but I seem to remember during the 2007 and 2010 coaching searches that he was right about a few things when it came to the coaching coach.   He seems like the type of creep that will hide in bathroom stalls around campus to try to get some inside information.

Get Jim Harbaugh

November 25th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^

I actually trust Brian Cook more than anyone else. I'm not being sarcastic or trying to suck up, either. I just trust his opinions and what limited inside information he has more than anyone else's.

His Dudeness

November 25th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^

I wouldnt really trust anybody because those that have "solid sources" can't talk for fear of burning a bridge. Those with no sources are obviously not to be trusted and all others (MSM) are just throwing out anything that is out there.

That said on the Rivals message board today (last night maybe) one of the mods said Les Miles is not going to be offered the job, just as Martin wouldn't and just as Brandon wouldn't Hackett will not either. I believe that to be true FWIW.

The mods said the reason was not so much stemming from the Moeller thing,  it had more to do with some sort of recruiting conference call a few years back that Bo and Brandon (!!) were on with Les and Les really pissed off the Michigan faction with whatever was said.

Anywho... onward and upward.

Brodie

November 25th, 2014 at 2:46 PM ^

All indications are the Les played very dirty on the recruiting trail and basically burned every bridge he had in Ann Arbor, including with Bo, by making up a series of rather egregious lies about Lloyd Carr's health. This has been repeated enough times and there is enough evidence of him being a pariah that I have to believe it's accurate. It's also a lot more plausible than "he totez fucked everyone's wife and/or daughter"