Who has a pimp hand? Delany has a pimp hand.

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December 10th, 2010 at 4:45 PM
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Who has a pimp hand? Delany has a pimp hand.

You can have all sorts of opinions about the man. However, he did get us the B10 network and Nebraska in addition to a recent slap down of the little guys in NYC. This was more "bitch where's my money" than worrying about equity outside of his base conference.

 

In a reply to WAC commissioner Benson commenting on how his teams can play on the big stage, Delany broke off a little history 

"The problem," Delany interrupted, "is your big stage takes away opportunities for my teams, to play on the stage they created in 1902."

 

When Benson asked for more top-tier bowl access, Delany sounded a bit Tony Soprano:

"We gave up the Rose Bowl, the SEC gave up access to the Sugar Bowl, others were included but they never had access to any of this before. You have to understand who brought what to the table. Who's continuing to give and who's continuing to get."

 

Where is the guy with the baseball bat for Benson? Not sure if it is because of the way the story was written or if it really sounded this mafia in person.

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/12/09/jim-delany-warns-non-aq-leagues-dont-expect-more-than-youre/

 

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December 10th, 2010 at 4:49 PM | Finally, somebody says it.  (Score:1)
Hannibal.
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Finally, somebody says it.  I'm tired of the bitching and moaning from the Johnny-come-lately programs with 30,000-seat stadiums about how they don't get their share of the pie. 

December 10th, 2010 at 10:41 PM | reduplication (Score:1)
eamus_caeruli
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Have you said this before,because I remember this exact wording?

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December 10th, 2010 at 5:04 PM | Please do so (Score:1)
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Inquiring minds want to know.

EDIT: http://www.katc.com/news/cajuns-got-their-man/

They no longer call me Bisbiño

December 10th, 2010 at 5:05 PM | Not sure (Score:1)
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Not sure how much that will affect the bowl game if, as Brian's analysis earlier in the week indicates, their offensive portfolio is not much different than that of Wisconsin's in the second half.

RUN, RUN, RUN, RUN, RUN, RUN, etc.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:46 PM | Are you going to hijack every (Score:1)
Steve in PA
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Are you going to hijack every thread today?

 

 

December 10th, 2010 at 4:56 PM | Awesome! (Score:1)
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Some day a better transcript needs to come up.

If that was the line verbatim, the only way thats better is if Delaney mutters "bitch" under his breath at the end of the sentence.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:09 PM | So true (Score:1)
Blue_Sox
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I saw this yesterday and totally agree with Delany. When you think about it, the little programs really are parasites to the BCS conferences. Nothing makes this stand out more than the Boise State game vs. Idaho this year. Idaho plays in a glorified basketball arena with a capacity of 16,000. If Boise had gone to a BCS bowl game this year...Idaho would have profited $1 million dollars from it.

Do they really deserve that? Heck no. They make marginal investments into their football program, like most of the WAC schools, yet get that kind of payout. Compare that with even the doormat schools in the power conferences and their investments into their program and you can see why Delany is so pissed about sharing with them.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:31 PM | Does Indiana really deserve (Score:1)
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Does Indiana really deserve whatever it gets from Wisconsin's and OSU's bowl appearances?  Does Vandy deserve their SEC share?  How about Duke?  Those are your true parasites.  This year, the Big Ten's share will be more than all non-BCS conferences combined.  Indiana will get 1/11th of the big ten's share.  Idaho will get somewhere in the range of 1/36th of a smaller share.  You know how many Rose Bowls Indiana has played in?  One.  The same as non-BCS members, Navy, Tulane, SMU, and a handful of FCS schools, yet you call Idaho the parasite while ignoring Indiana.  

Here is the problem with Delaney's statements.  He claims that all this tradition established by the BCS conferences is what has made College Football what it is today.  But that's garbage.  Michigan, OSU, Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame, USC etc. made College Football what it is today.  There's a whole heaping of BCS schools that were just along for the ride.  It's those schools that the WAC schools of the world want to be able to compete with, but with the inequality inherent in the BCS, they are unlikely to ever have the resources to do it.

December 10th, 2010 at 6:10 PM | I understand that.  I do. (Score:1)
LandonC
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I understand that.  I do.  But it ignores the symbiotic relationship between BCS conference members and non-BCS conference members.  Even the Indianas of the world need FBS competition they can beat to become bowl eligible, or at least try to become bowl eligible.  The Big 10 needs those teams, otherwise a losing conference record becomes a losing season for half of the conference.  Throwing a little money out of bowl revenues towards the smaller conferences and giving access to the occasional non-BCS undefeated team maintains a working relationship between the haves and the have-nots.  Being uppity about it really solves nothing.  

December 10th, 2010 at 6:56 PM | The are women of negotiable affection (Score:1)
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They are already paid for the beatdown.  We owe them nothing beyond that.

December 10th, 2010 at 9:54 PM | Think about what you're (Score:1)
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Think about what you're saying.  Indiana wouldn't become bowl eligible if they didn't have the WAC to kick around?  OK, that's certainly true.  How is that a good argument for the cause that the WAC deserves a seat at the table?  All it says is that our dregs can beat up on what they call actual competition.

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December 11th, 2010 at 11:41 AM | It's not an argument for them (Score:1)
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It's not an argument for them to have a seat at the table.  It's an argument that The Big Ten needs these conferences as much as Michigan and Ohio State need Indiana.  If we make it harder for those conferences to remain as relatively competitive as they are, what incentive do they have to continue playing at the FBS level?  Eventually many of these schools playing FBS football but not in the BCS are going to recognize that the diminishing revenues aren't worth the cost. 

The BCS conferences don't get rich because of the bowls, they make their money because of TV contracts.  If giving a little access and some of the BCS money keeps the system in order, it's in the Big Ten's best interest to do so.  Besides, the Big Ten already has maximum access.  Ever since the fifth game was added, the Big Ten is all but assured of fillling two slots. 

December 10th, 2010 at 8:58 PM | how are they parasites. (Score:1)
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how are they parasites. Because they suck in football? How about BBall. Indiana is the powerhouse and Michigan is the doormat. Sure, we were good for a period, a period that doesn't really exist.  

The strength of the powerhouse schools is actually in the cohesion and togetherness of all the schools in the Big Ten. THis is why the Big TEn is stronger then the SEC. They all contribute something to the pie. On top of this, you should understand from the expansion period that most of the the money comes from the academic side anyway.

December 10th, 2010 at 10:38 PM | Sure, we were good for a (Score:1)
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Sure, we were good for a period, a period that doesn't really exist.  

Whoa.  From 1964 to 1993 we went to six (count 'em) Final Fours.  And only one of those was vacated.

December 10th, 2010 at 10:45 PM | Actually (I sound like Oscar from The Office) (Score:1)
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1992 & 1993 were vacated.  Michigan lost to Duke and then to North Carolina.  But it never happened.  You're right about 6 Final Fours, tho'.

They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything.
December 10th, 2010 at 10:41 PM | Doesn't exist? (Score:1)
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Listen, sonny boy, the 1989 championship actually happened.  So did Glen Rice's all-time one-year postseason record for total points: 184.  No one's beaten it since.

You sound like a Sparty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkukr6FgzpA

They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:49 AM | What does the BCS have to do (Score:1)
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What does the BCS have to do with basketball?  Indiana basketball provides nothing to the BCS contracts.  Indiana is a valuable member of the Big Ten, just not in football. 

Speaking of Basketball, the NCAA tournament is exactly the counterpoint the non-BCS raise when arguing for a seat at the table.  Butler makes the NCAA final and they're able to develop the resources to keep their hot-shot NCAA coach.  The Big conferences in basketball will always collectively have more resources than the mid-majors, but those conferences can compete, which makes for a better NCAA basketball product.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:36 PM | Also sort of ironic, Delaney (Score:1)
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Also sort of ironic, Delaney criticizes the WAC while implying that the Big Ten "created" the Rose Bowl in 1902.  The Big Ten didn't send a representative to the Rose Bowl again for 45 years.  Meanwhile, the WAC literally created the Fiesta Bowl in 1971.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:56 PM | Then that's their fault what (Score:1)
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Then that's their fault what they let happen to it.

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December 10th, 2010 at 6:04 PM | True but (Score:1)
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In 1978, Arizona and Arizona State both joined the Pac-10 conference and the Fiesta Bowl's tie-in with the Western Athletic Conference ended.

Boise State University began fielding a football team in 1968, playing in Division II until 1977. The Broncos moved into the Football Championship Division (FCS) of Division I in 1978 and won their first national championship two years later. In 1996, the Broncos joined the Big West Conference and formally moved into FBS.

December 10th, 2010 at 6:24 PM |  I know what happened.  But (Score:1)
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 I know what happened.  But really, you're missing my point.  Delaney lays the history card while ignoring that many non-BCS schools also have history.  Usually it's dormant history, but no more dormant than say Minnesota.  If you're going to use history to defend a new system don't be ignorant of half of it.  

Besides, College Football isn't what it is today (in terms of the power of the BCS conferences as compared to the non-BCS conferences) because of the Bowl games, it's because of television rights deals that started to develop after the 1984 antitrust case decided by the Supreme Court.  TV money is what started the separation.  Before then, you had southern and eastern independents who could compete.  After, you had the smart schools moving to conferences (FSU, Miami, Penn St.) or forming ones (the Big East) and those left in the cold slowly moving to a lesser tier of football.  This will remain the same no matter what happens with the BCS bowls.  I see no harm in splitting a portion the BCS revenues  and access with non automatic qualifiers.

As an aside, your Boise St. reference is garbage.  So they're undeserving of a BCS share because they didn't join the FBS until 1996, but South Florida who began playing in 1997 and didn't join the FBS until 2001 is?

December 10th, 2010 at 9:58 PM | Hey, believe me: I'm not (Score:1)
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Hey, believe me: I'm not happy about that South Florida thing.

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December 11th, 2010 at 8:23 AM | your argument is naive (Score:1)
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When you start letting the have-nots get a share of the pie, that pie shrinks. Where exactly do you think all this BCS money comes from? You think TV stations charge as much for advertising in those Boise-TCU games as  they can for UM- Florida or Alabama-Texas? In the end that money comes from us, big conference teams with big fanbases. So no, it is absolutly not fucking fair to give the WAC an automatic bid to a 15 million dollar payday when they dont bring anything close to that  to the table,

These Bowl games are not created to hand out money to poor universities..they were created to make money. When the Rose Bowl "committee" realized theyre getting TCU.. they know they just lost millions. You even made this pont yourself, tv money caused the separation. Do you really beleive UofM should get the same money as the Idaho's of the world?

How can you kill that which has no life

December 11th, 2010 at 12:00 PM | My argument may be naive, but (Score:1)
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My argument may be naive, but yours isn't based in reality.  The non-BCS conferences piece of the pie grew when the entire pie grew bigger by adding a fifth game.  And the BSU-TCU game last year had ratings on par with Florida-Cincy and far better ratings than Georgia Tech.-Iowa. 

The Rose Bowl is an institution.  They will not lose millions with the TCU/Wisconsin match-up.  In fact, the game is pretty damn compelling.  It's certainly no worse for the Rose Bowl from when they voluntarily selected a three loss Illinois.

Finally, your last statement is a straw-man argument.  The Big 10's BCS take will be around $22M, If Boise had made the Rose Bowl instead of TCU, the WAC would have split about $10M.  They're not the same amounts as they shouldn't be.  I never said Idaho's take should equal UofM's.  My only point has always been that a little cooperation is better for the entire system than Delaney laying the "pimp hand."

December 11th, 2010 at 12:13 PM | A little cooperation is what (Score:1)
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A little cooperation is what we have already, and there's nothing wrong with Delany laying the pimp hand to keep it that way.  I'm sure the status quo is just fine with the commissioners.  The dissolution of the BCS will come if the commissioners perceive that that's a better alternative to something that is forced upon them thanks to pressure from the "little guys."

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December 11th, 2010 at 12:23 PM | It's going to be less money (Score:1)
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It's going to be less money soon anyway.  With 2 of the 3 teams that make an annual push towards the BCS joining, it pretty much just leaves Boise State.  C-USA is too fractured to produce an undefeted champ these days.  The WAC, MAC and Sun Belt won't be able to produce a team with the required resume.  Finally Boise State is unlikely to produce the two year run of the last couple seasons again.  They've had a special group, one that they can't put together all that often.  Maybe once every four or five years they'll put together the required resume.

The current run of non-BCS entrants are an anomoly.  The non-BCS's share is going to shrink naturally, and the non-BCS conferences know they don't have an argument to increase its share.  No "pimp-hand" necessary.

December 11th, 2010 at 1:27 PM | the non-BCS conferences know (Score:1)
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the non-BCS conferences know they don't have an argument to increase its share.

Rational people will understand that, but I'm afraid that won't stop certain politicians from ignoring the lack of a good argument and trying to push the BCS over the cliff anyway.  The politicians think if they can make the "opponent" look bad, people will flock to "their side" because that's how it works in a two-party system, and popular pressure will force change.  What they don't get is that college football fans are gonna watch their team regardless of what happens - so the money will always be there - and the conferences will continue to act in their best financial interest rather than react to the pressure in order to earn votes (as they would if they were an opposing politician.)

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December 10th, 2010 at 6:27 PM | Given that the Western team (Score:1)
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Given that the Western team (Stanford) quit in the third quarter and lost 0-49 to Michigan, there's plenty of reasons why the Big Ten did not go (or did not get to go in the first fifteen years).

December 10th, 2010 at 6:38 PM | There's a better reason than (Score:1)
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There's a better reason than that.  The next Rose Bowl wasn't held for another 14 years.

December 10th, 2010 at 11:03 PM | plus one (Score:1)
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Wouldn't a "plus one" serve us just the same as the BCS?  Play the traditional bowl system, then have one more game to determine the NC.  There will be controversy no matter what, but at least this arguement of who deserves to play might be better served after the bowls, and see if the BSU and TCU's of the world shake out in their bowls and pass the eye test to get into a NC game? 

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December 11th, 2010 at 10:51 AM | I think a plus one is a (Score:1)
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I think a plus one is a compromise.  Problem is that I don't think  the commissioners would do that.  They lose 2 teams unless they move the Cotton Bowl or another up to BCS status.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:20 PM | During Summers, I worked at a (Score:1)
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During Summers, I worked at a golf club where he was a member...and he struck me as a dorky, goofy, old guy.  Very vanilla--he just blended in with the crowd.  Then I read stuff like this, and realize he's a STONE COLD KILLER.  Wow.   My opinion of him has completely changed.

The dude abides.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:23 PM | Delany keeps it real (Score:1)
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Honestly, I wouldn't be overly opposed to going back to the old system.  Picking a national champion is still a complete crapshoot.

This is home...

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December 10th, 2010 at 5:25 PM |   (Score:1)
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How 'bout I punchisize your face, for free.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:57 PM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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Space bitches, space.

December 10th, 2010 at 10:52 PM | That's a pretty big ass for a (Score:1)
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That's a pretty big ass for a skinny chick.

 

 

December 10th, 2010 at 11:44 PM | That kid likes big butts and (Score:1)
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That kid likes big butts and he cannot lie.

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December 11th, 2010 at 10:25 AM | Gross. (Score:1)
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Gross.

December 10th, 2010 at 5:25 PM | Solution? (Score:1)
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Let's have a playoff and give the little guys a chance to get blown out in the first round.

 

 

 

December 10th, 2010 at 5:29 PM | The problem with bowls... (Score:1)
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The biggest problem I see is the naming of bowls as "BCS" bowls.  If they just chose teams pretty much the same way without the title, nobody would have any reason to bitch.  As for the NC, the little guys don't belong there. 

We know that Auburn and Oregon can go through a difficult schedule undefeated.  All we know about TCU is that they can go through an easy schedule undefeated.  They have no supporting argument for a NC berth, nor does one-loss BSU.

 

 

 

December 10th, 2010 at 11:21 PM | join a conference (Score:1)
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Utah bounced to the PAC 10 for a reason.  TCU has followed suit.  BSU should have made a deal with the Big 12 or PAC 10.  They are nuts if they think the big six are going to give any more ground on the BCS. 

"Everybody thinks of changing humanity, but nobody thinks of changing himself."                  - Leo Tolstoy

December 10th, 2010 at 6:01 PM | Old guy moment in 3, 2, 1 . . . (Score:1)
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Or, we could just go back to what worked for 50 years and have the Big Ten play the Pac 12 winner in the Rose, the SEC go to the Sugar, etc.  1 may not play 2, but its not like everybody loves the BCS anyway.  The old way was good enough for Bear, Bo and Woody, it should be good enough now.

Now, get off my lawn!

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December 10th, 2010 at 6:13 PM | When you think back to what (Score:1)
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When you think back to what we had before, was the system really broken compared to what we have now?

For the shared national titles, why not have a tiebreaking game if that happened?

Why is it even necessary to have a national title game?

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December 10th, 2010 at 6:16 PM | Karl Benson should be more (Score:1)
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Karl Benson should be more concerned with whether the WAC will still be around in three years.

December 10th, 2010 at 6:21 PM | Hawaii to announce WAC departure (Score:1)
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/111681024.html

December 10th, 2010 at 6:48 PM | Called it.  Called. It.  Who (Score:1)
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Called it.  Called. It.  Who called it?  This guy called it.  I hate to say I told you so but I told you so.  I quote myself:

The BCS isn't going to go to a playoff because of a stupid investigation.  They'll disband first.  And then the Fiesta Bowl, instead of being an open game with at-large picks from any conference in the country, will do like every other bowl and sign agreements with a particular conference.  You want "the little guy" to play in the Fiesta Bowl?  You'd better keep the BCS together or they'll just lock out all but two conferences and the WAC can enjoy the New Mexico Bowl.

Believe it.  That post was about the Utah AG and his dipshit antitrust lawsuit.  And now Delany and the other five "BCS" commissioners are saying exactly what I said they would.  The "automatic qualification" to the BCS is no different than C-USA's automatic qualification to the Liberty Bowl, except that the big six conferences have arranged it so that there's a path for everyone to play.  It's just like I said: they'll disband the BCS before they institute a playoff.

Not usually a chest-thumper, but I tend to be right about this stuff.  Why?  Because 98% of people make no attempt to see things through the eyes of those (such as Delany) who make the decisions.  Time to start doing that, and then we can have an actual discussion about the BCS and playoffs.

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December 10th, 2010 at 11:50 PM | chaos (Score:1)
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Will college football ever have a clear cut "Champion"? The debate will linger no matter the system.

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