Anyone from the Muskegon area. Go Big Reds
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Anyone from the Muskegon area. Go Big Reds
While Oosterbaan's playing career is largely defined by his pass-catching prowess, he was also a shut-down defensive end (back when split ends caught passes on offense, then played the end of the line on defense). Oosterbaan's play was key to holding Illinois' Red Grange to 56 rushing yards on 25 carries in 1925, a year after he famously scored 4 touchdowns in 10 minutes against the Wolverines.
For that reason, I see his number going to an OLB/DE type.
In my opinion, no one this season. It should go to a Woodson, Howard, Carter-type player. I'm not saying that no one should ever get it, I'm just saying that it should remain shelved until someone proves he deserves it. I also feel that Howard's #21 should not have gone to Roundtree, who has been just average.
Call me crazy, but I think it should have gone to Gallon. That kid makes the 5 foot 8 nation proud (I'm in it).
Seriously though, Desmond Howard was an undersized receiver. Jeremy Gallon is 5'8 and is an AMAZING receiver for his height.
I bet Howard approved it. Roundtree's a senior and leader on the team no matter what his stats say.
Yeah, I'm sure that Howard approved it. It's nothing against Roundtree; I just believe that these numbers should be worn only by exceptional players. If you're going to un-retire legendary jerseys (as in Bennie's case), the players must have earned the priveledge, both on and off the field.
To cite our fearless leader's concerns, only giving it to those who have proved to be remarkable on the field destroys any partial legacy they have built for their number. E.g.: switching Denard to 7 (say if Rick Leach had a legends patch) after his breakout 2010 season would have been moderately to very frustrating.
Give the patches to players without a any collegiate achievements (even to a walk-on!) and it gives them some extra motivation; then, those that do go on to become stars could always have their name added to the patch. E.g.: Denard is given a Rick Leach #7 legends patch coming in as a freshman, then maybe if this season fulfills our hopes and dreams, someday some kid would receive a #7 Leach/Robinson patch.
This is very simple.... Anthony Avant.
oosterbaan is the michigan football legend not the kid who is wearing the number this year.
the ceremony is to un-retire #47 and celebrate the michigan football legend. so anybody but clark and or fitz.
If they're going along with the Desmond tribute last year it seems as if another wide receiver or tight end will wear #47. The only significant player in the receiver core I could see wearing it is Jeremy Gallon or Drew Dileo. I can't see Gardner wearing it or Jerald Robinson, Roundtree already has his legend's patch, and I can't see one of the freshman tight ends or Kwiatkowski wearing it.
This is easy, Denard.
Hoke said in the presser someone will wear it.
The question posed was not "who does Hoke think should wear #47?" If they are to stick with a receiver, I think Gallon should wear it. If not I have no idea. How many other legends numbers are they planning on using this year? Isn't it something like four (too lazy to look up)?
#47 Bennie Oosterbaan End (Saturday vs air force)
#87 Ron Kramer End (9/15 vs massachusetts)
#48 Gerald Ford Center (10/13 vs illinois)
#11 Wistert Brothers Tackle (11/10 vs northwestern)
Gerald Ford was also a linebacker.
Had thought it would be Brandon Moore, but with his MCL injury and being out I will go with my second thought and say Hopkins.
aka Jake Long to some
Not a bad idea at all.
I was thinking Jake Ryan too. Good pick.
I would really like to see Kevin Koger wear this jersey against Air Force. Barring that, I prefer that no one wears it.
You are aware Koger graduated last year?
That does not detract from my desire to see him suit up.
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What about Mike Massey?
I'm pulling for Bennie Joppru, here.
I'm not a fan of giving these numbers to anyone. It will be a nice honor for whomever wears it, but I'd prefer to see them stay retired.
I would not complain if it was Courtney Avery.
if they're going to "award" the numbers to specific players. I think it places far too much pressure on the awardees, who in most cases are going to come up embarrassingly short of the exploits of the player the number symbolizes. Roundtree and Howard is a case in point. Either keep the numbers retired, or un-retire them but don't try to "honor" a specific player with them. Just award a #21 or a #47 to whoever and focus on the goddamn team as a whole.
Agreed. They shouldn't just set dates and give them to best available. They should make the players earn it and only give it to those who are truly deserving.
They are recirculating the numbers as a way to recognize the former players, some of whom aren't well known to many of our fans.
You mean this is all about raising "fan recognition" for the Wistert brothers?
Give me a break.
It is about policy. There was pressure to give Desmond Howard a jersey retirement. And someday a Woodson jersey retirment. And evening out the notion that Michigan had retired a handful of jersey numbers for white players in the first half of the last century, but none for any black players in the latter half of that century.
Brandon didn't want to retire #21, and then #2, and then, however many more numbers before we ran out of numbers. Brandon couldn't just stop retiring numbers. Brandon had to make a policy that covered all, equally. He had to either retire #21 and ultimately #2, or else he had to go back and reverse the policies for #11, #47, #48, #87 and #98.
Brandon wanted a "policy." He told speech audiences everywhere, that what he wanted, was a policy. Now he's got a policy. At the cost of yet more clutter in the form of patches on jerseys.
When a guy can turn this, into, "Recognizing former players..." that's a guy who could sell ice to the Eskimos and who could sell pizza to... anybody. What was really happening here was that Brandon was walking the Athletic Department through a public relations minefield.
Honestly, I prefer the patches. The casual fan does not think to look up the retired numbers and the careers of the players so honored; the patches will get discussed in interviews, press conferences, game commentary, etc. I can hardly see how this will not result in increased name recognition of the honored players by most fans.
If it ALSO happens to fulfill some asinine idea in Brandon's mind, so be it, though I'd genuinely like to know if you have any source on the notion that having retired numbers for white guys only was ever considered an issue.
I hate policy and bureaucratic management too, but this situation doesn't seem to be all about policy to me. Honoring Howard and Woodson somehow seems appropriate regardless of any perceived racial inequity, and retiring numbers ad nauseam truly is impractical.
not ad nauseum...
And that's the problem, when they only go from 1 to 99 and you have 120 or so ballplayers.
I have absolutely no "source" whatsoever on the idea that race was ever a consideration in the minds of Michigan's University and Athletic administrations in the case of football jersey number retirements. And if anyone ever finds any officially-recognized source on that subject, I will be as amazed as I would be interested in what they say.
Without a source, why would you claim there was pressure to "even out the notion...?" Or am I misreading a possibly unclear string of sentences?
I like what you bring to this blog, I just know both of us would flip if the Freep printed something similar without a source.
Honest thanks on the infinitum/nauseam clarification, btw.
Go up and ask most Michigan fans, and they can't name every player whose number is retired.
Retiring them without a banner or something does no good because It's not on display. Not every Michigan fan is as hardcore as us to know it.
of promoting the Michigan "brand" which now seems more important than, you know, actually playing football (see, e.g., the MSU jersey fiasco last year)
I'm with a few other's going with Craig Roh
BJ Askew would be my first choice.
Per my reply to RZF above, I think it should be given to a previously unaccomplished player; I think Funchess would be a great fit. His style of play may even be the most similar to Oosterbaan.
I hope we're not giving these out for the sake of giving them out. I'm okay with unretiring the number and waiting until someone comes along that deserves the number before we give it out to them.
But what if Craig Roh blows up on the field this year? Then his 88-ness for years is discounted?
I personally watched him win matchup battles quite a few times sat. I could see it from my shit seats so to me, that kid deserves it. He's not pretty but he is all go and no quit. By far my favorite player to root for on D behind Kovacs.
uhhh, Bennie.... Oosterbaan?
All I know is the Legends patch is still one of the worst pieces of graphic design I've ever seen. And to think someone probably gets paid for this...
I'll put my hat in the ring for Jake Ryan.
Both Bennie and Jake have the best flows of their respective times.
I have to break the haiku format for this one.
I officially dislike the legend jerseys. I was okay with Hemingway and the Howard jersey last year. But this is too much. Like others have said, if we are going to make a big deal out of bringing numbers out of retirement, then it needs to actually be a big deal. No offense to anyone on our team, but these jerseys simply haven't been earned yet. I'm very disappointed in this new "tradition".
How about TE Mike Kwiatkowski?
give it to Kovacs.
Kovacs is a great choice!!!
eye brows 88
Dont neg me.
Also I like the idea of un-retiring these numbers. Most fans would have never noticed that certain numbers were missing, and if they did, they wouldn't necessarily know the story behind the player having his jersey retired. Out of sight, out of mind.
Having a patch on the jersey denoting the number lets everyone know that "hey - this number is special to this team."
Also - some who claim that these special jerseys shouldn't be worn unless the player is equal to the exploits of the player who led to its retirement - well, you'll be waiting forever if you do that. How many Tom Harmons or Charles Woodsons come along? Give these special jerseys to seniors who deserve it for what they've done off the field as much as on the field.