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November 17th, 2012 at 7:11 PM
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Who considers us their Main Rival?

So, TV during the game the announcing crew mentioned that Iowa's seniors were trying to go 4-0 against their "main rival." They did mention that it is not mutual, which, duh, but this was news to me none the less. I also figured Iowa viewed Wisconsin or Iowa State or some other corn school their rival (not Nebraska since they havent played much until recently). In terms of teams I know of, and assuming the announcers are correct, the teams that consider us their #1 rival are:

OSU

MSU

Illinois

Iowa

And then Notre Dame generally views USC as their main rival, although my coworkers (many ND alums) did mention that lately they've hated Michigan much more because of the nature of the 2009-11 wins.

Aside from those 4 teams, what other teams consider Michigan their "main rival" if any? Is there any other team in college football that is seen as the main rival of FOUR teams? Two I can understand, but 4-5 (depending how you view ND) seems absolutely ridiculous. Why on earth would Iowa/Illinois try to hitch up to Michigan when its clearly never going to be a legitimate rivalry?

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:16 PM
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...... I see what you did

...... I see what you did there.

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November 18th, 2012 at 1:07 AM
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November 18th, 2012 at 1:08 AM
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LMAO

LMAO

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:15 PM
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I really don't think Iowa

I really don't think Iowa sees us as their main rival.  I think the announcing crew was a little off in their assessment.  Iowa does really hate us though.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:25 PM
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The two Iowa fans I know

The two Iowa fans I know don't hate Michigan at all. They consider Minnesota their main rival, with Iowa State a distant second, and they harbor a passionate, contemptuous hatred for Illinois that I think primarily dates from the Deon Thomas recruitment (although I think it had started earlier, maybe during Mike White time).

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:35 PM
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I live in Iowa. Iowa State is

I live in Iowa. Iowa State is their main rival and it's not even close. 

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:59 PM
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news to me

(grumpy old man voice) In my day the Iowa fans treated Iowa State fans the same way Michigan fans regard the MSU faithful.  Though that was during the Iowa run of 15 wins in a row, so maybe a little life of late out of Iowa State has made Iowa acknowledge Iowa State's existence.  It might have a lot to do with that 2002 game.

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November 17th, 2012 at 11:34 PM
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Yeah, That's why the UI/ISU Trophy is a joke.

 Totally disagree! Iowa State is a wayward step-sister to the Hawkeyes. Even the trophy sucks and is lampooned. (see Iowa Corn Cy-Hawk Trophy) Went to Iowa for grad school and except for Floyd of Rosedale most Iowa students and staff members consider us to be their main rival and big game each year even basketball.  I never understood it and was amazed at the number of students that would tell me what a great rivalry Iowa and UofM were and the joy they had when they beat us.  I remember thinking how we didn’t even know they existed until the later stages of Hayden Fry or  Lute Olsen/BJ Armstrong.    (Although being in the stands next to Scarcelli’s dad when Houghtlin kicked that field goal was one of the suckier days of my life.)

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:18 PM
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Northwestern.

Northwestern.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:59 PM
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No

No, I think Northwestern's main rival is Illinois. 

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:08 PM
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Northwestern's main rival is

Northwestern's main rival is the University of Chicago

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:13 PM
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Judging by the way Michael

Judging by the way Michael Wilbon (huge NW homer) reacts whenever U of M is brought up, I think Northwestern certainly thinks of us as a huge, if not main, rival.

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:16 PM
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Add

Maryland and Rutgers

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:18 PM
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I think much of the B1G

I think much of the B1G probably hates us most next to their 'main' rival because we basically clubbed them for a full century. Illinois may hate us the most and then I'm sure Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, and Purdue have a similar disdain for the maize and blue.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:18 PM
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Everyone.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:40 PM
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This guy

gets it...

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:58 PM
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This girl

FTFY

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:00 PM
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Yes, Yes

I know. That IS the joke. 

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:19 PM
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all of the teams

all of the teams

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:02 PM
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:19 PM
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I grew up in Illinois, and

I grew up in Illinois, and this was news to me...I always thought Norrthwestern and Illinois considered themselves their top rivals...but who knows

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:33 AM
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Illinois' take is: 1. They

Illinois' take is:

1. They had a slush fund scandal in 60's when Pete Elliott was the AD.
2. Gary Moeller wasn't successful there and Bo lambasted the UI administration for lack of support.
3. Bo hated Mike White's use of juco transfers and was vocal about it in the 80's. Illinois actually threatened to leave for the big12!
4. 1989 final four.
5. Nancy Cantor.

There's a few more things going back to the Yost / Red Grange era that I can't remember, but the bottom line is the two universities haven't always seen eye to eye. Contrast that to the closeness Bo/Moeller/Carr had ( still do) to the Iowa administration and coaching staff

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:21 PM
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Answer:

Notre Dame, the SEC, and the entire B1G.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:34 PM
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Which is of course why ND is

Which is of course why ND is going to the ACC and cancelling the series with Michigan.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:21 PM
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Everyone.

Everyone.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:22 PM
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Wouldnt you add wisconsin and

Wouldnt you add wisconsin and psu to that list? They hated us something fierce when I was a student

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:18 PM
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We haven't really played them

We haven't really played them lately though. All of the PSU/Wisky students weren't around to watch us ruin their seasons in '05 and '06 respectively, and the last time we played them they blew us out

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:25 PM
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I agree about PSU.  I went to

I agree about PSU.  I went to both PSU and OSU in 2006, and took worse abuse at PSU.  Of  course, we had beaten them for something like 10 years straight...

 

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:24 PM
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I feel pretty safe saying

I feel pretty safe saying that IU and Purdue consider their game the main rivalry.

I feel like NW considers Illinois their biggest rival

NU probably doesn't have one yet in the B1G. I think it should be Wisconsin (the uniforms), NW (play to be called NU for the year), or Iowa (someone make a corn trophy), but if the division ends up coming down to NU and M most years I could see a rivalry developing.

Minny and Wisconsin definitely consider their game the biggest rivalry, although I imagine we are a distant second to Minnesota with the Jug and all.

PSU is a possibility. They don't really have a main rivalry that I know of, but I would think theirs is OSU. They do hate them some Michigan, though.

 

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:15 PM
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Well, Iowa & Nebraska do play

Well, Iowa & Nebraska do play for the Heroes Trophy

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November 17th, 2012 at 9:09 PM
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With these dumbass divisions...

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nebraska and M both consider each other their biggest rival as time goes on. This does not make me happy, but it seems the Big Ten wants that to be the case, and wants OSU/PSU to be the other big conference rivalry.

I realize nobody on this board will ever think of Nebraska like that, but what about kids, grandkids and on down the line? If our game with them determines the division most years (and I'd guess it will) and thus a shot at the Rose Bowl, that's exactly how rivalries develop over time.

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November 18th, 2012 at 12:18 AM
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Yup,bottom line,lose your divison you don't meet UM-NU standards

Look at the numbers, no matter whether its all-time, last 50 years, or whatever, NU-UM are the consistent 70% + winning programs in the Legends, and will be locking horns to win the division. After awhile, this will turn into a serious rivalry, whether its built on hate, respect, a yearly slobernockering race to get the the CCG, or something else.

That's NOT a dissing of honorable, ancient UM traditions, all of which make CFB the great game it is. Go ahead hating OSU, MSU, even ND. But winners want to win on the playing field they're given to compete on. Hey, we loved our Thanksgiving tussle with Oklahoma. But that's "Gone With The Wind".

It could happen faster than the next generation. Say we split the Legends 50-50 over that period, pretty reasonable assumption. That's a load of frustration whether you're blue or red. NU fans already have set our sights this way, after  going through this in the XII, it can happen pretty fast.

 

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November 18th, 2012 at 2:14 AM
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What do you think the Husker

What do you think the Husker reaction would have been if the divisions had been split up the same way but with Nebraska and Penn State headlining one or the other? Would there have been a different reaction than hearing it was Nebraska/Michigan?

Also, I'm sure a rivalry of some sort will develop, like you say, but I just can't see anyone of even high school age feeling the same way about Nebraska that they do about OSU anytime soon. I honestly think we could do this whole "7-1 and finish second" thing ten seasons in a row and it wouldn't do anything to change the feeling that Nebraska is a great/cool new addition (albeit said with a good deal more sarcasm/disdain than these days) and Ohio State embodies a way of life that needs to get beaten down by way of football scores.

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November 17th, 2012 at 11:54 PM
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There is a Corn Trophy

Iowa and ISU play for a corn trophy already.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:24 PM
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Everyone. I've been to games

Everyone. I've been to games at most other schools in the league. Iowa, psu, illinois: They're always shocked to hear that we don't consider them out main rival.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:32 PM
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I've heard from quite a few

I've heard from quite a few Penn State fans that consider us to be their main rival.  They are kind of the "third wheel" in the flag-state-school-football-powerhouse-rivalry that is Michigan and ohio. 

Actually, we're second only to Honesty and Protecting Innocence as Penn State's most hated foe.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:38 PM
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The long streak of Ls didn't

The long streak of Ls didn't help their feelings either, especially the way Mario Manningham ruined their otherwise amazing 2005 season.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:35 PM
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If I was an Illinois fan I

If I was an Illinois fan I would think that Ohio State was my biggest rival. 

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:40 PM
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Ill - Ohio

Yeah, that Illibuck trophy is something special.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:46 PM
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Here's my list:OSU -

Here's my list:

OSU - Michigan

Michigan - OSU

Indiana - Purdue

Purdue - Indiana (or ND)

MSU - Michigan

Wisconsin - OSU

Nebraska - I would say Michigan now, but Oklahoma historically

Iowa - Iowa St.

Minn. - Iowa

Penn St. - OSU

Illinois - Northwestern

Northwestern - Illinois

 

 

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:46 PM
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As someone currently residing

As someone currently residing in Champaign-Urbana, I've seen a lot more hatred toward Michigan than Northwestern. They have the "muck fichigan" shirts in all of the store windows year-round.

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:51 PM
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Tony Posada - McDonalds Value

Tony Posada - McDonalds Value Menu

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:52 PM
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I think you underestimate how

I think you underestimate how much Wisconsin and Minnesota hate each other. I know people from both states and they don't just hate the other sports teams, they hate the states in general. And they go crazy over that axe of theirs.

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:07 PM
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I know how much the two

I know how much the two states dislike each other, but I am centering my list primarily on football.  Wiscy-OSU has been far more compelling the past several years.  Minn. just sucks in football, and is not taken seriously by Wisconsin, despite how much they love to spank Minn.

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November 17th, 2012 at 10:25 PM
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Honestly...

...the only teams, I believe, that legitimately and unanimously consider us their main rival are Ohio and Michigan State.  I think you are confounding true rivalry with general hatred of an opponent.  Anecdotally, I have really hated MSU the past 4 years, but I still consider Ohio our MAIN rival.  The only possible exception to this is Illinois who probably "gets up" for the Michigan game more than any other on their schedule, however I believe Northwestern is still their main rival.

BEAT OHIO!

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:08 PM
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No, we're Slippery Rock's big

No, we're Slippery Rock's big brother.

But Slippery Rock is the little brother who's a decade younger than you and thinks you're just the greatest thing since sliced bread. You bring Slippery Rock to the ice cream stand during the summer and then go kick a soccer ball around

Michigan State, on the other hand, is that annoying brat 2 years younger than you who constantly wants to prove that whatever you can do, he can do too.

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November 17th, 2012 at 11:16 PM
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But you forgot

"...and he fails. Every. Single. Time."

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November 17th, 2012 at 7:57 PM
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if iowa and illinois think

if iowa and illinois think that we are their biggest rival, that's absolutely sad. that having been said, i'd think iowa considers wisconsin a bigger rival, and illinois, maybe northwestern. but then again, who wants to be rivals with northwestern?

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:00 PM
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Penn Staters hate us....

Penn Staters hate us.... every one i've met.

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:02 PM
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Illinois

makes me laugh.

 

But seriously, they think we're they're big rival.  Its astounding.

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:08 PM
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I dont think many consider us their main rival

but alot hate us most after their main rival

OSU

MSU

Illinois

Penn State - yes they hate them some Michigan

ND- I would say we were #2 on their hate meter

Iowa- Id say were #2 for teams they dont like as well

Again I dont know if you can call us their rivals.. but as far as hate goes..I think we are probably the most hated team in the conference....which is a product of winning so im cool with it.

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:11 PM
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I always thought NDs main

I always thought NDs main rival was Navy.

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:27 PM
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How about

university of chicago?

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November 17th, 2012 at 8:53 PM
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I am a grad student at Iowa.

I am a grad student at Iowa. No one there really cares about Michigan. People hate Ohio more than Michigan, because, come on, Ohio. Minnesota is considered a bigger rival. Nebraska is considered the big B1G rivalry, but Iowa State is the real rivalry. So, ESPN is full of shit.

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November 17th, 2012 at 9:19 PM
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Sneaky rivals

Forgot to mention:

- EMU (vicious whirlyball games)
- Slippery Rock (battle for crowd affection)
- Racine College (still angry over first-ever UM win)

It's a do-eat-dog world and I'm wearing milk bone underwear.

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November 17th, 2012 at 11:19 PM
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Every motherfuc*ing one.

Every motherfuc*ing one.

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November 17th, 2012 at 11:27 PM
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Racine College

While the school is defunct, some of their alums still angry about UM's first all-time win on the way to 900+.

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November 17th, 2012 at 11:33 PM
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Illinois fans definitely want

Illinois fans definitely want there to be a rivalry, probably because a lot of their students are only there because they didn't get in/couldn't afford to go here 

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November 17th, 2012 at 11:34 PM
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Illinois fans definitely want

Illinois fans definitely want there to be a rivalry, probably because a lot of their students are only there because they didn't get in/couldn't afford to go here 

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November 23rd, 2012 at 6:54 AM
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Michigan Rivalries, I think.

We're No. 1

  • Ohio State obviously. Reciprocated.
  • Michigan State obviously. They even make claims like they're our #1 rival in all sports but football to try to get some reciprocation.

Some of the their fans think we're no. 1 but we're not:

  • Illinois. This one is just weird, as Illinois is. Officially their top rival is Northwestern, but as you can imagine the Wildcats aren't now or historically the most game for a hootin' angry time. Most of their fans put us right after Northwestern, plenty have told me we're first.
  • Wisconsin. At one point they were one Michigan loss from national title talk for several years running under Alvarez, and the Wisconsin fans I know were universal in their hatred for Michigan. They hated that we would never acknowledge their big backs as the best in the Big Ten, and were only vaguely interested in the Minnesota rivalry (like us, more out of tradition than any excitement brought from it) and even less interested in keeping up their end of the hate circle with Iowa. We're still up there among teams Wisconsin fans want to murderate, though Michigan State lately has been climbing those ranks.

We're not No. 1 at all but we're a bigger rival to their fans than their school admits:

  • Notre Dame puts us between 2 and 5. USC is hands-down their top rival as OSU is for us. Then there's two historical rivals with trophies, in order Boston College and Michigan State. There is also the proximity rivalry with Purdue. Michigan was reinserted into that mess after many years of not playing each other, and while over the last 20 years the fans have generally raised us to No. 2 since that game makes or breaks an ND season right out of the gate, it hasn't attained that kind of official status, and their front office--who are the most petty ND fans out there--canceled the series because it was worth less to them than any of the above plus Stanford.
  • Iowa has a good thing going with Michigan. As for other teams we're a belwether for just how good they are and they've won a good many important games in recent years. This is a simmering mutual respect rivalry on our side what with MSC and the Bump connection and Lloyd sitting in their box and Soup Campbell and two programs trying to be the good guys and not rub everyone's noses in it. From their perspective Michigan is the team they have to topple to be on top of the conference again.
  • Nebraska fans were looking forward to playing Michigan more than any other Big Ten rival. They feel beating Tennessee and the Manning Child was worth being No. 1 and begrudge Michigan the shared NC in '97. The only other thing to go on was the Alamo Bowl, when they almost got Tromboned and Michigan fans tweaked them about the officiating and all the argggh. This is like the nice guy in the office who you only seem to come across on your worst days.

We're no. 1 to eight octogenarians who meet on Wednesdays at Olde Windy's:

  • University of Chicago. I wonder when the last Maroon dies will it still matter. Apparently there is still a dedicated chapter of people who keep the memory of Chicago athletics alive, and they are still not happy about us cheering with might and main over their sorrows.

A rivalry usually just worn for the benefit of history until you mention 2003 then DIEEEE!!!!

  • Minnesota. The Brown Jug game is one of our favorites because we usually win, it highlights all of our great history and tradition, and their fans were the nicest in the Big Ten until Nebraska joined. From their point of view it's under Wisconsin and Iowa keeps the flame for Floyd alive more than Minny does because the Hawkeyes tend to lose that game more than they should. Using the "would you rather beat..." standard will get you false results. We're 2nd to some, 3rd to most. If someone's on the edge, mention 2003.

Lolwut?

  • Central Michigan claims a rivalry with Michigan State. But did you know Eastern Michigan claims Michigan as one of their rivals? No, because EMU doesn't really have fans. However for a time when Ron English's staff was just starting out and the guy who'd summarily dismissed them from their God-ordained place down Washtenaw was running Michigan, there was some hate going on. It died when the guy did.

 

 

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