Who is the best pro prospect in the '12 UM senior class?
You have to figure that a guy who won the Rimington and who's an all-around bad ass will be able to kick ass in the NFL.
Yeah, I might have to go with our All American as well.
One of the last Rimmington winners, AQ Shipley, got dragted in the 7th round when he came out. Was with the Steelers, got released, now I think is on the Eagles practice squad.
Personally I think Mike Martin is the best pro prospect of the class.
Molk and Martin are projected 3rd round picks. I can't help but feel that someone will be getting a huge bargain on both in the 3rd round.
"David ...draft analysts have you projected in the 3rd or later round.. how do you think that measures up to your general 'Ill end you and do it efficiently' philosophy?"
I'd like to see where Molk is 3rd rounder...everything I've seen has him at 6 or 7. The earliest I've seen is the 5th round.
Mike Martin is the best pro prospect on the team. Kevin Koger has to catch the ball consistently and didn't have the production due to the offense we ran for 3 years.
He is NOT projected in the 7th round...Perhaps 3rd
I hope it comes true!
Martin. Geeat strength and he became more productive this year.
I say Mike Martin. However, Mark Huyge will be building life-size versions of these for a living
Since the current class actually graduates in 2012, I'm going to go with Jonas Mouton. He got drafted in the second round, after all.
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Martin is the highest. He carries roughly a third round grade but has a chance to move into the late 2nd round. Molk grades out somewhere around the 4th or 5th round because he is undersized as a center and appears to have maxed out physically.
Just fwiw Craig Roh is currently our highest pick. I have seen him as a second rounder on some sites.
And say Mike Martin.
As for Koger, I think he's got a good shot and has all the skills to be a good NFL TE, but 10-12 years would be a LONG time for him to last in the body crushing NFL.
Martin, Molk, and Koger, in that order.
Just to be different, I'm gonna say RVB. He certainly won't be our highest drafted player, but I think he could really be a difference maker as a solid rotation guy. I think he's gonna be the guy who late in games make big plays because he's fresh going against a tired OL. Plus we've seen this year how incredibly intelligent he is on the line. I think he'll surprise some of the naysayers. Or maybe I just wanted to say someone other than Molk and Martin.
as the season progressed. I'm going with RVB too.
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I'll say Molk. I'm praying that he will still be there for the Lions in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Be nice to get Molk in there and get Riola out. He's gettin old.
What about Junior? I know he isn't nearly the best prospect, but what are his chances at an NFL career
Pretty sure size is a tangible attribute, while the reliability of a player's hands is getting there (see: Brian's advanced catch metrics).
Sidney Rice? Santana Moss? Those are just two that come to mind, that are doing just fine as small WR's. Thanks for the laugh.
Don't forget good ol' 5'9" Steve Smith. Guy has been tearing it up for years now. I could definitely see Odoms evolving into this type of receiver.
I love Tay, but No, he will not be in the NFL, and if for some reason he latches on with a team and gets a shot, he will not be a Steve Smith-like NFL player.
Sidney Rice is 6'4". And both of those guys were crazy productive in college. Comparing Martavious to them purely based on size doesn't really tell the whole story.
PR or KR. I like him as a receiver too, but I think PR/KR are his best chances.
Sidney Rice is 6'4", 202 lbs. You must be thinking of someone else.
He reminds me of a Davone Bess type. Has some speed but relatively small. Bess was in that Colt Brennan lead Hawaii offense. I had the pleasure of going to a couple games the year they went to the Sugar Bowl. They were fun to watch.
I love Odoms, but he's been very unproductive for the past couple seasons. He had more catches in 2008 than he's had in 2009, 2010, and 2011 combined. Most other tiny receivers who have made it big in the NFL were extremely productive in college.
Molk's problem is that he's really only going to be draftable by zone-based teams. At 6'2" - 286 (that at least his listed height/weight) he's just not big enough to be a drive blocking center. The Senior Bowl type things are going to be really important for Molk, as he's got to show the ability to anchor against pass rushing DTs.
Really the only ones that are currently being projected to be drafted are Molk and Martin. The rest of the guys are great leaders and Michigan Men, but the reality is that they probably won't get drafted and won't end up doing much. It kind of sucks because I really think that many of these guys, especially the defensive guys, could probably have done something if they had Mattison as their coach for all 4 years. I just think that people like RVB, Ezeh (I know that is last year), Mouton, and others could have been a lot better and actually gone on to productive NFL careers. But alass, we are just getting back into the NFL factory that we once were.
*Alass* (A lass?), you have been drinking too much Rosenberg Kool-Aid. I believe in player development, but only to a point. Ezeh's on-field issues went beyond coaching. Notice, also, that even the current staff couldn't coach 4-star J.B. Fitzgerald into a starter.
Where was Fitzgerald supposed to start? At MIKE? Over Demens?
Other than Demens, we started 2 freshman LBs. Morgan and Ryan were very good for freshmen, but if a 4-star senior can't beat out a freshman, then he's not living up to expectations.
Fitzgerald isn't suited to play anywhere but MIKE. I'm not saying that Fitzgerald lived up to his expectations or that we would have been fine with him starting, but he's not a WILL or a SAM.
I like Hemingway. I think he'll stick around in the pro's for a few years, if he can keep his speed up. He's not one to stretch the field based on his quicks alone, but he's got an illusive shiftiness about him, especially for a guy his size, and great hands to boot. Also, I haven't seen anyone highpoint the ball like he does, with the exception of smurf smurf Gallon in the UTL game.
That being said, I think 68 is the best pro prospect.
If Adrian Arrington can't seem to get on the field, I don't see Jr. Hemingway having a career in the NFL..
I was going to reference Marquis Walker, whose playing style reminds me the most of Hemingway's. If that dude couldn't make it in the NFL, no way Hemingway can. I really like Hemingway and think he's a good player, but he doesn't have the speed or acceleration (out of breaks) to make it in the NFL.
If the Redskins don't draft him I will challenge Dan Snyder to a karate match. Again.
Seriously, that fucker is ducking me and my sweet roundhouse ability.
But really, David Molk + zone blocking + no pre-existing depth chart to compete with + 2 Shannahans = many Pro Bowls.
If Dan Snyder had a nickel for each time he got challenged to a karate match, he'd be... well... even more of a rich asshole.
though I think Van Bergen is probably a late 6th or 7th round draft pick.
I will be very surprised if all five of those guys get drafted.
Tom Pomarico, kid is an absolute stud long-snapper. He'll do what Turner Booth never could and breakthrough as an NFL long-snapper.
(I'm a big fan of LS in case you couldn't tell)
a competent LS. Excuse me while I cry into my oatmeal some more.
The Browns could use a competent anything.
Mike Martin as a 3-4 DE would be an absoutely great fit. If I ran a 3-4 I would pick MM in the 2nd for sure.
David Molk, Mike Martin, and Kevin Koger, in order of where I think they might go in the draft. In my estimation, they would all go in 3rd round or later, with my own prediction being - Molk in the 3rd, Martin in the 4th, and Koger as a 6th or 7th round pick.
I would also say that Van Bergen and Hemingway have a shot at the late rounds too. At worst, we see some undrafted free agents that could find roles on teams somewhere. We have a quite a few seniors that will at least make an appearance in the NFL, I think.
I say Martin over Molk.
DT is a position where a shorter player can make nice inroads, in that he can use that leverage to get underneath larger OL and push them back.
Molk has too small a frame at C to go up against some of the top-flight DTs in the league. Guys like Suh and Ngata would eat him up. Hope I'm wrong though.
Ummm that's why centers usually get help blocking DTs... No C in the league can single-block Suh.
I think Martin is clearly the top senior. As long as his interviews go well, I think he'll be the top pick in April. There's a place for a guy Martin's size, but Molk might be limited in what schemes he can play in. I can see him hitching on at a place that runs a zone running scheme, but for teams that want to power the ball, I don't think he's a great asset. He's also been about the same size for the last few years and I wonder if he can get any bigger.
Woolfolk if he wasnt made of glass.. SMH
oh yeah... HOKE!
but it wouldn't matter if he were made of concrete TW is not an NFL corner.
I said this before the season started and got negged for it but I thought then that people were not really remembering what Troy played like on the field. He was our best option at corner prior to getting injured, but that was because we were terrible.
This season he picked up where he left off prior to his injury and showed on the field that he had speed, but little else. He couldn't tackle or cover receivers very well.
I love TW and the dedication he has for UM...but he was never going to be an NFL corner I'm sorry to say.
Then again, I said there was no way in hell that Morgan Trent sees a practice squad in the NFL. But, I still don't think so.
Molk is tiny by NFL standards. That doesn't mean I think he won't cut it, but I do think the NFL's collective bias on size will have him drafted way lower than many of you are predicting. I'd say he's a 5-7 rounder, while a lot of guys worse than him get drafted higher.
Same thing for Martin. He's a first round talent that will probably go in the 5-7 range due to concerns over his size and role on the defense.
Make note, I'm not disaparaging these guys, I've just seen so many shit players drafted high because they "look the part" while better players with some size concerns drop. The NFL has not embraced Moneyball yet, and scouts control everything.
Tom Pomarico. Book it.
I'd love to see David Molk go to the Lions.
You've had enough of Raiola? Personally, I'm fine with him, but have seen my fill of Backus. Taylor Lewan (after he plays 4 years) please.
Could be a good place for Odoms. Downfield blocking is big with Canadian coaches what with the 3 downs thing and the resultant need for big plays. Big field, wide open game and with that Michigan degree, he shouldn't have too much trouble securing that day job.
I'd like to see Koger get drafted. Probably late rounder though. It depends on who has been watching him. Michigan hasn't featured him much his whole career. The problem i see is teams are now looking for the nex Gronkowski, but he is one of a kind.
In late 2nd round.
RVB would be a good DE in a 3-4 scheme--those guys don't rack up stats, but they need size and technique and the ability to make the occasional play.