Home
i'm an actor, not a reactor

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Glossary
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
    • Hail to Old Blue
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Hoops Depth Chart by Class
    • 2017 Recruiting Board
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • MGoFlickr
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • User-Curated HOF
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
  • Schedule/Tix
    • Future Schedules (wiki)
    • Ticket spreadsheet
Home Forums MGoBoard

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @Misopogon (Seth)
  • @Aeschnepp (Adam)
  • @BISB
  • @EUpchurchPhoto
  • @FullOfTwitt (Fuller)
  • Hail to the Victors 2016
  • MGoFacebook
  • MGoPodcast
  • WTKA
  • Instagram

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • MMMGoBlueBBQ
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Zone
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • Illinois Loyalty
    • Illinois Baseball Report
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
  • Nebraska
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Max
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Hoop Math
    • John Gasaway
    • Luke Winn/Sports Illustrated
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg (Class of 2016)
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Matt Hinton/Grantland
    • Football Study Hall
    • Football Outsiders
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
    • CFB Stats
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Ann Arbor Observer
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • Bless You Boys
      • The Daily Fungo
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
    • Red Wings
      • Winging It In Motown
      • On The Wings
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Beveled Guilt

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • Thirteen unlucky minutes (TL;DNR-This is a bit of rant about the refs)
    docwhoblocked - 2 weeks ago
  • Fan Satisfaction Index End of Season Bball Survey
    OneFootIn - 2 weeks ago
  • How likely are we to revert to the mean?
    Bo Glue - 2 weeks ago
  • It's time to avenge Villanova's 1985 NCAA tourney upset over Michigan
    Communist Football - 2 weeks ago
  • 14 Months Ago: The Fire Beilein Threads.
    stephenrjking - 3 weeks ago
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - March 2008: Pryor isn't coming, Boren has left, and some academic fraud allegations sprinkled in
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 215 comments
  • The Ballad of Jordan Poole
    k.o.k.Law - 176 comments
  • 14 Months Ago: The Fire Beilein Threads.
    stephenrjking - 91 comments
  • PreSpring Football updates from Sam Webb
    AZBlue - 90 comments
  • Thirteen unlucky minutes (TL;DNR-This is a bit of rant about the refs)
    docwhoblocked - 61 comments

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • Auston Robertson arrested again
    35 replies
  • Michigan announces single-game ticket prices for 2018 football season
    23 replies
  • 2018-19 Michigan Basketball B1G slate announced
    41 replies
  • Final 247 Basketball rankings published
    38 replies
  • Any news on Grant Newsome?
    68 replies
  • Karsen Barnhart - did we cool on him?
    86 replies
  • HELP WANTED! I'm moving to Chicago for school and I need good haunts to watch football/basketball games. Recommendations?
    46 replies
  • Angelique on Patterson Transfer
    52 replies
  • CBS Sports: Shea Patterson details scope of Ole Miss deception in lengthy letter to Michigan
    38 replies
  • OT: NFL Schedule Release
    12 replies
  • OT: Gregg Popovich's wife Erin dead at 67
    22 replies
  • Belleville coach Jermain Crowell mad at UM again
    235 replies
  • Q&A with FB Ben VanSumeren--Video
    8 replies
  • "Being Not-Rich at UM" Guide
    167 replies
  • Apparently, the NCAA has already received a response from MSU about Nassar
    61 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • Auston Robertson arrested again
    35 replies
  • Angelique on Patterson Transfer
    52 replies
  • 2018-19 Michigan Basketball B1G slate announced
    41 replies
  • Karsen Barnhart - did we cool on him?
    86 replies
  • Any news on Grant Newsome?
    68 replies
  • "Being Not-Rich at UM" Guide
    167 replies
  • Belleville coach Jermain Crowell mad at UM again
    235 replies
  • Final 247 Basketball rankings published
    38 replies
  • Michigan announces single-game ticket prices for 2018 football season
    23 replies
  • OT: Gregg Popovich's wife Erin dead at 67
    22 replies
  • Apparently, the NCAA has already received a response from MSU about Nassar
    61 replies
  • HELP WANTED! I'm moving to Chicago for school and I need good haunts to watch football/basketball games. Recommendations?
    46 replies
  • CBS Sports: Shea Patterson details scope of Ole Miss deception in lengthy letter to Michigan
    38 replies
  • OT: NFL Schedule Release
    12 replies
  • No additional protest of Shea Patterson appeal by Ole Miss
    113 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • Why should we be optimistic about 2018 M football?
    273 replies
  • Belleville coach Jermain Crowell mad at UM again
    235 replies
  • Police investigating Elysee Mbem-Bosse for death threat against Harbaugh
    224 replies
  • Speight to UCLA
    172 replies
  • How Many Football Games Will Michigan Win This Year? (Poll)
    167 replies
  • "Being Not-Rich at UM" Guide
    167 replies
  • Buckle Up
    159 replies
  • Scouting the Enemy: Ohio State QBs are Good
    158 replies
  • Semi-OT: What sports would you fix?
    158 replies
  • Elysee Mbem-Bosse disturbing tweets
    157 replies
  • Whats the Best Way to Make Flight Arrangements?
    149 replies
  • Wagner to NBA
    141 replies
  • Urban Meyer throws more shade at Michigan
    141 replies
  • FB new Nutrition plan under Herbert is well received by players
    132 replies
  • Today’s MSU outrage Apparently Engler has attempted to bypass the victims attorneys
    130 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››

Support MGoBlog: buy stuff at Amazon

Whitlock and Illini have beef with Fab 5 doc

72 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
March 15th, 2011 at 8:04 PM
#1
MaizeAndHonoluluBlue
MaizeAndHonoluluBlue's picture
Joined: 12/19/2010
MGoPoints: 187
Whitlock and Illini have beef with Fab 5 doc

Just read a short article on ESPN about Illini players complaining that they started the baggy shorts, not the Fab 5.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=6218609&utm_source=twitt...

More interesting though, is Jason Whitlock's article about the movie.

He claims it's more Jalen Rose's fantasy than documentary, defends Coach K's "Uncle Toms" and calls the Fab 5 sellouts.

Worth a read if you have a few minutes to spare.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/ESPN-The-Fab-Five-docum...

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Tags:
  • MGoBoard
  • basketball

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
March 15th, 2011 at 8:08 PM
#2
dennisblundon
dennisblundon's picture
Joined: 02/23/2010
MGoPoints: 9509
Allow me to start the bidding with....

They Will Gif - They Will
see more Gifs

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:19 PM
(Reply to #2) #3
Shaqsquatch
Shaqsquatch's picture
Joined: 04/08/2009
MGoPoints: 4459
I call and raise

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:37 PM
(Reply to #5) #4
Mich_Faithful
Mich_Faithful's picture
Joined: 11/08/2010
MGoPoints: 7145
Reraise

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:41 PM
(Reply to #13) #5
Bryan
Bryan's picture
Joined: 07/10/2009
MGoPoints: 13410
This is the MGoBoard, we use cats:

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
(Reply to #16) #6
BiSB
BiSB's picture
Joined: 08/15/2009
MGoPoints: 44837
Of .gifs

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:41 PM
(Reply to #39) #7
wolverhorn
wolverhorn's picture
Joined: 09/03/2010
MGoPoints: 1743
I can't take credit for

I can't take credit for making this, it's from another forum.  It's almost playoff time baby!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:55 PM
(Reply to #43) #8
cargo
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1097
(No subject)

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:57 PM
(Reply to #43) #9
Waffles
Waffles's picture
Joined: 08/08/2010
MGoPoints: 1008
I'll continue this.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 10:31 PM
(Reply to #50) #10
BlueBarron
BlueBarron's picture
Joined: 06/21/2010
MGoPoints: 10322
(sorry Tyler)

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 3:14 AM
(Reply to #43) #11
NoHeartAnthony
Joined: 08/31/2009
MGoPoints: 262
wangzzzzzzzzz

SE imo

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:15 PM
#12
Captain
Captain's picture
Joined: 06/12/2009
MGoPoints: 12438
If there's a sports topic,

If there's a sports topic, and there's a chance that it involves racial undertones, there's at least an equal chance that Whitlock has a beef with it.  Also, he eats a lot of beef. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:36 PM
(Reply to #3) #13
wolverhorn
wolverhorn's picture
Joined: 09/03/2010
MGoPoints: 1743
Grimace gonna Grimace imo

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:18 PM
#14
dennisblundon
dennisblundon's picture
Joined: 02/23/2010
MGoPoints: 9509
Two quick points on this

Two quick points on this subject. One, who in the hell pays any attention to anything Illinois does. They could have worn orange construction cones on their heads and not a fuck would be given. Two, Whitlock ate Uncle Tom. This bloated bumb actually thinks the public reacted to Lebron's decision circus the way it did because of race. He should have the race card tattooed on his forearm.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:29 PM
(Reply to #4) #15
Mi Sooner
Joined: 02/09/2010
MGoPoints: 5128
+1

just for:

could have worn orange construction cones on their heads

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 11:56 PM
(Reply to #7) #16
M-Dog
M-Dog's picture
Joined: 07/06/2008
MGoPoints: 147117
Devo

did it first.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:22 PM
#17
bryemye
Joined: 09/14/2009
MGoPoints: 2689
Jason Whitlock is unreadable

Jason Whitlock is unreadable and an idiot. He has some charisma but his articles have become unreadable.

In this case he says the Fab 5 were style over substance even though they made 2 final fours with a starting team of 18 and 19 year olds and were a fluke away from winning the second time around.

He also essentially called Jimmy King an uncle tom.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:29 PM
#18
UMxWolverines
UMxWolverines's picture
Joined: 03/01/2009
MGoPoints: 33477
Everyone knows the Fab Five

Everyone knows the Fab Five weren't the first with baggy shorts. MJ had them (but not as long as the Fab Five) and so did Arkansas. The Fab Five did popularize them more than anyone else though. So shove it Illinois, no one gives a flying fuck.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:39 PM
(Reply to #8) #19
Mich_Faithful
Mich_Faithful's picture
Joined: 11/08/2010
MGoPoints: 7145
Haha I saw you had this exact

Haha I saw you had this exact same comment on the espn page. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:41 PM
(Reply to #14) #20
UMxWolverines
UMxWolverines's picture
Joined: 03/01/2009
MGoPoints: 33477
yes i did

didn't feel like writing a new comment so I used the same one i put on here

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 10:03 PM
(Reply to #17) #21
03 Blue 07
03 Blue 07's picture
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 3494
Fab Five before Arkansas

The fab five had them in 1991. Arkansas 2 years later, in 93-94, when they switched to the unis with stripes that ran vertically and split and fanned out on the shorts. So, no, your Arkansas statement isn't correct. I'd embed photos but I'm lazy and am generally bad at embedding.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:34 PM
#22
pasadenablue
pasadenablue's picture
Joined: 11/18/2008
MGoPoints: 7475
Who gives two shits about

Who gives two shits about Illinois? Sure they might have worn them earlier (remains to be seen), but the fab 5 made em famous. That's what matters.

And who the fuck is Jason Whitlock?
Jalen's fantasy? What is more plausible, 2 hours of a documentary, or the idiotic ramblings of a B-grade writer?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:30 PM
#23
winterblue75
winterblue75's picture
Joined: 09/05/2009
MGoPoints: 11444
Iuck Fllinois

Iuck Fllinois

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:34 PM
#24
Ziff72
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 8249
Whitlock misses the point

Whitlock is usually pretty good, but again you have a writer who knows better cherry picking to fit his agenda.

Rose's "Uncle Tom" and Laetner's a bitch comments were retold as what he thought when he was 18.  He explained how he was angry and jealous.  He explains himself beautifully so you can see it from the eyes of a poor kid in the ghetto.  He was wrong he said it several times during his media blitz, but he was honest as to how he felt at the time.

Whitlock cherry picks this to make Rose look bad.  I hate when writers give incomplete facts to frame their argument.  Whitlock said he worked in Ann Arbor it sure sounds like he worked for the Freep.

The shame of it is he has a decent point in the article, but he loses me when I know he's not balancing both sides  and he knows it. Poor job Jason/

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:40 PM
(Reply to #11) #25
Bando Calrissian
Bando Calrissian's picture
Joined: 07/02/2008
MGoPoints: 60109
Whitlock wrote for the Ann

Whitlock wrote for the Ann Arbor News, not the Freep.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
(Reply to #15) #26
osty53
Joined: 01/27/2011
MGoPoints: 5
I live in Kansas City and am

I live in Kansas City and am pretty sure he was writing here during the Fab Five days so he has no clue what was going on in their heads in lives at that point! Whitlock is a hack who only tries to press the race card b/c he can't actually write a good article. As far as Illinois goes...stop crying! They did wear baggy shorts before Michigan but nobody knew about it.The Fab Five popularized it and made it a trend. Something they couldn't do. If i remember right the Illinois team in question didnt even make the finals that year. Michigan did and won the whole thing!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 10:04 PM
(Reply to #40) #27
03 Blue 07
03 Blue 07's picture
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 3494
Whitlock wrote for the Ann

Whitlock wrote for the Ann Arbor News when the Fab Five were at U of M.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 10:19 PM
(Reply to #40) #28
Tacopants
Tacopants's picture
Joined: 07/06/2008
MGoPoints: 2714
no

Whitlock was hired away from the Ann Arbor News to work in KC I think.  He was around for the majority of the Fab Five years.

 

Speaking more on the column... Whitlock talks about Jalen's lack of self awareness and "style over substance".  That could also be said about his columns nowadays.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 8:51 AM
(Reply to #11) #29
Hannibal.
Hannibal.'s picture
Joined: 09/09/2008
MGoPoints: 6297
No shit.  The "Uncle Tom"

No shit. 

The "Uncle Tom" comments have absolutely been taken out of context.  If you actually watched the documentary, you will see that it is Jalen Rose reflecting on his attitudues (and immaturity) as an 18-year old. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:42 PM
#30
the_white_tiger
the_white_tiger's picture
Joined: 02/07/2009
MGoPoints: 5224
I don't know which is worse,

I don't know which is worse, Whitlock or Illinois. One's a wannabe Drew Sharp, and the other's a wannabe Michigan State.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:45 PM
(Reply to #18) #31
Bryan
Bryan's picture
Joined: 07/10/2009
MGoPoints: 13410
Wow

That's the worst "would you rather" ever

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:02 PM
(Reply to #20) #32
the_white_tiger
the_white_tiger's picture
Joined: 02/07/2009
MGoPoints: 5224
Or best

"Would you rather rip apart Whitlock or Illinois?" Win-win.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:03 PM
(Reply to #26) #33
Bryan
Bryan's picture
Joined: 07/10/2009
MGoPoints: 13410
I was thinking

Would you rather be Drew Sharp or Michigan State....

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:11 PM
(Reply to #28) #34
the_white_tiger
the_white_tiger's picture
Joined: 02/07/2009
MGoPoints: 5224
I'll take Option #3: eaten by

I'll take Option #3: eaten by a school of angry pirhanas on steroids.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:44 PM
#35
elaydin
elaydin's picture
Joined: 04/17/2010
MGoPoints: 2325
they don't seem as baggy...

they don't seem as baggy... but more baggy than Syracuse

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:03 PM
(Reply to #19) #36
MGoPacquiao
MGoPacquiao's picture
Joined: 12/13/2008
MGoPoints: 414
I'm pretty sure that 1st pic

I'm pretty sure that 1st pic must be from a fairly recent reunion game or something.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:41 PM
(Reply to #27) #37
five22
Joined: 04/20/2010
MGoPoints: 23
Correct...

This is image from his playing days at Charlotte and he doesn't have that tatto on his arm yet.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:48 PM
(Reply to #42) #38
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 56282
Great detective work there.

Great detective work there.  I was wondering about that first photo - the uniform looks a little too nice to be from the late '80s.  I don't think they had those fancy jersey numbers, for instance.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:50 PM
(Reply to #42) #39
elaydin
elaydin's picture
Joined: 04/17/2010
MGoPoints: 2325
posted from iPhone

Well done. Thought it looked a little too baggy.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
(Reply to #19) #40
SwaggLikeUs
SwaggLikeUs's picture
Joined: 01/20/2011
MGoPoints: 1063
Kendall Gill

was da man! For a minute anyway....then he went and got all Ricky Williams'd

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 12:48 AM
(Reply to #44) #41
DeltronFF
DeltronFF's picture
Joined: 11/24/2010
MGoPoints: 251
Ricky or...

Whoopie?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:47 PM
#42
Mitch Cumstein
Mitch Cumstein's picture
Joined: 10/02/2009
MGoPoints: 12905
Jalen's fantasy

"He claims it's more Jalen Rose's fantasy than documentary"

 

Putting aside the Illini's beef.  This quote might have some truth to it.  It was very pro-fab5.  Its easy to see a much more negative documentary about the same events.  Also seeing as Jalen works for the channel that produced it, its not that much of a stretch.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:00 PM
(Reply to #21) #43
the_white_tiger
the_white_tiger's picture
Joined: 02/07/2009
MGoPoints: 5224
It's from the perspective of

It's from the perspective of the players. Sure it could have been much less favorable in the Ed Martin portion, but this was more about the culture of the Fab 5 and how they were in college and how they changed the game. The only really legitimate gripe is that Webber didn't say anything about it or participate in any way.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:13 PM
(Reply to #21) #44
bleedzblue
bleedzblue's picture
Joined: 09/03/2009
MGoPoints: 1385
"It was very pro Fab Five"

No shit, what did you expect? It was produced by Jalen's production company and Jimmy, Juwan and Ray all helped him make it. All in all I thought they balanced it out very well with good and bad.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
(Reply to #21) #45
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 56282
I thought the film was a

I thought the film was a pretty honest account.  It didn't seem to omit much.  It talked about Ed Martin, and Rose even admitted taking "a couple grand" from him even though he never was named in the NCAA report.  It mentioned Rose's ticket in the drug raid, which was a major controversy at the time (but has been mostly forgetten since and could have been swept under the rug).  It showed some of the most brash trash-talking,  showed Webber cursing out cameramen, showed them acting like babies in Europe, showed Rose  (presumably underage at the time) slamming a 40 at a frat party . . . if you came into this movie with a negative view of the Fab Five, I'm not sure it would have changed your opinion.  

The one "fantasy" aspect of the film I can buy is that Rose may have glossed over Ed Martin's shadiness.  They did include Webber's denunciation of Martin, but portrayed it in a way to make Webber look like a liar.  Yeah, another documentary might have stressed just how ill-gotten that money was and how Martin was a scumbag.  But aside from that, I don't know that  it would show much else differently.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
(Reply to #37) #46
Mitch Cumstein
Mitch Cumstein's picture
Joined: 10/02/2009
MGoPoints: 12905
Thats a fair assessment

I guess in my mind the major area where they could have given differing accounts was in the outside people that came in and gave commentary.  For example,  I don't buy Mitch Albom's assertion that CWeb couldn't have possibly  gotten paid until after the final four.  I'm sure there are people with differing opinions on things like that.  Yet they bring in Albom as if he was just an objective observer.

Also, they really sold that UNC team short.  I mean, its one thing to assert that you were the better team yet lost (as Jalen does over and over), but that team was solid and pretty much led the whole way in that game.  As a poster mentions above, being told through the eyes of the fab5, I guess that makes sense.  But if thats the case, why have Albom giving his fluff all over the documentary?  Why not just keep it to the 5 to tell the story?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 10:04 PM
(Reply to #41) #47
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 56282
I don't know if I fully buy

I don't know if I fully buy Albom's explanation either, but no one else has ever come forward to contradict that, and he's the only one to have written a book on them, so he's basically all we've got to report on that (other than Webber himself, obviously). 

As for UNC, while Jalen himself certainly believed that they were inferior, I thought they still made it clear that it was an extremely hard-fought game.  They showed several UNC baskets, Webber getting knocked to the floor, etc.  They noted that we were behind at the half and at the time of the timeout.  To be honest, I agree with Jalen - I think we had the best team in the country that year.  UNC was a solid team, but they certainly didn't have as much overall talent.  We didn't play our best game.  Someone linked the box score the other day - it was basically Webber and King that played well.  Rose, Howard and Jackson all struggled and the bench didn't do much (other than Pelinka making a couple threes). 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 11:14 PM
(Reply to #51) #48
GWUWolverineFan
Joined: 09/22/2009
MGoPoints: 1838
posted from iPhone

My only thing is, if webber was taking that amount of money, why did he live such a normal college lifestyle?



If I was 18 and was handed 200 grand, I sure as shit would have bought atleast a big screen or two.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 12:19 AM
(Reply to #51) #49
M-Wolverine
M-Wolverine's picture
Joined: 10/04/2009
MGoPoints: 42199
Other than the famous flub

I think the game was lost on the bracketing. The 2nd best team and the one that scared me was Kentucky. And we had the last Primetime game against them that was a complete war, while NC had already finished with a subpar Kansas team (that we beat easily by double digits in Hawaii). If the regions had been reversed, we would have rocked Kansas and rested while NC would have burned themselves out besting Kentucky, if they even could. We looked tired on one day's rest after finishing late in one of the all time great college basketball Tournament games, and I think some of our guys didnt have the legs or same focus.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:04 PM
#50
Bosch
Bosch's picture
Joined: 04/03/2009
MGoPoints: 6680
They aren't claiming......

that they pioneered wearing baggy shorts.  It was even made mention in the documentary that they wanted to "be like Mike."  The point is that the Fab Five revolutionized wearing baggy shorts.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:08 PM
(Reply to #22) #51
jdog
Joined: 08/26/2010
MGoPoints: 901
Yea

well, at least we have that going for us.  Was it worth 15 years of purgatory?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:17 PM
(Reply to #30) #52
Bosch
Bosch's picture
Joined: 04/03/2009
MGoPoints: 6680
Yeah....

because that's exactly what happened.  A choice was given.

Baggy Shorts or Prolonged Relevance

They should have taken the blue pill.......

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 8:58 PM
#53
MGoPacquiao
MGoPacquiao's picture
Joined: 12/13/2008
MGoPoints: 414
I had read about the Illinois

I had read about the Illinois thing a few years ago.  But even Bardo and Gill say in the article the Fab Five took it to another level and were actually influential.  I vaguely remember the "Flyin' Illini" nickname, but nobody cares about them now.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:00 PM
#54
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 56282
In 1992, when high school

In 1992, when high school teams across the country ordered new, longer shorts, they did it to "look like Michigan."  No one did it to look like Illinois.  It doesn't matter if they were first or not. No one paid attention until we did it.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:08 PM
(Reply to #25) #55
BrewCityBlue
BrewCityBlue's picture
Joined: 09/07/2009
MGoPoints: 2126
Amen brotha - i was just

Amen brotha - i was just gonna say the same thing

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:04 PM
#56
ihartbraylon
Joined: 01/03/2009
MGoPoints: 698
I actually think there's some

I actually think there's some merit in Whitlock's article. Maybe I have a different perspective cus I am black, but I usually find his columns insightful, even if I don't agree with him.  I do think he was a little harsh on Jalen, since Jalen was just giving his perspective, and Whitlock basically just called him wrong. I think Whitlock's point is that the documentary kinda turns black athletes that should be heralded (the 'uncle toms') into villains; and celebrates a less-accomplished team (although he overstates their mediocrity), just because they embraced a style and culture that got them noticed. It's a microcosm of the problem in hip hop today.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
(Reply to #29) #57
jdog
Joined: 08/26/2010
MGoPoints: 901
Good comment

I think Whitlock is also questioning Rose's telling his own story--the director of the film is very young and beholden to Rose as the producer, so we are not getting a very balanced picture, here. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 10:46 PM
(Reply to #29) #58
lunchboxthegoat
lunchboxthegoat's picture
Joined: 10/07/2008
MGoPoints: 2978
my .02

I think Whitlock et. al. interpreting Jalen's comments about "Uncle Tom's" is a gross misunderstanding. Jalen said it himself: he had no disrespect for Grant Hill or the players of that ilk, he was more jealous of the circumstance they grew up in. I don't think he came accross as saying players with the fortunate upbringing ala Grant Hill should be portrayed as villains, more that he felt that way when he was younger...

 

either way, Duke sucks and I still think Whitlock is a fucktard.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 11:28 PM
(Reply to #29) #59
Tim Waymen
Tim Waymen's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1847
I do think he was a little
I do think he was a little harsh on Jalen, since Jalen was just giving his perspective...
I agree. Jalen certainly seemed to be explaining how he and his teammates felt at that time rather than some reality as he still sees it. It is relevant because it explains the mentality of the Fab 5 based on where they were coming from, and IMO it eventually play into the "shock the world" mentality as well as the fear of being exploited. Particularly important is the stark contrast of childhood experiences of Jalen and Grant Hill, both sons of former pro athletes, and how it made Jalen feel at that time. Context is everything, and I feel that Whitlock ingores a little of that.
Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:08 PM
#60
Artermis
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: -17
I know I have typed something with Jimmy King

and Jalen Rose where they gave Illinois credit or something to that affect.   They never claimed they invented it.  They just popularized it.  

 

Big difference between the 2. 

 

I just looked it up in an interview:

 

Question:  Kendall Gill says on the Big Ten Network all the time that they were the ones that started it, not the Fab 5.

Jimmy King:  "They were.  We made it popular, but they were the ones."

Went on to say UNLV and Illinois were the first.

So they can all suck it.  

 

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:09 PM
#61
IPFW_Wolverines
Joined: 10/03/2010
MGoPoints: 2581
Someone should write Illinois

Someone should write Illinois and Whitlock thanking them for the free publicity. Lets see how long the Fab Five story can stay in the spotlight, will help recruiting more than anything. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:48 PM
#62
RickH
RickH's picture
Joined: 11/01/2009
MGoPoints: 915
How can you even take

How can you even take Whitlock serious when he says Chris Webber posted that blog post? If he did ANY research at all, he would've found out that it was a writer on the blog, that's why it says "By Dice".  He loses all credibility right there.

Not to mention, style over substance?  BRB Two Final Fours with 5 freshman starters.  Bad enough that he writes it, but looking at the comments is unbelievable as people actually agree?  Some guy says that the Fab Five was 'never even really that good'.  LULZ That's just funny as shit.

The ignorance is killing me.  Wish stupid people would just go away for once... unless they're funny, which he is not.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 12:06 AM
(Reply to #46) #63
M-Dog
M-Dog's picture
Joined: 07/06/2008
MGoPoints: 147117
If Bielien gets to the final

we won't be talking about style prevailing over substance. 

You get to the final, you got substance.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
#64
Tater
Tater's picture
Joined: 08/13/2008
MGoPoints: 30564
Where's the beef?

It's obvious that Whitlock has had enough "beef" for at least ten people.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 11:53 PM
#65
Lac55
Lac55's picture
Joined: 01/18/2011
MGoPoints: 1546
Wow...Whitlock is a clown!

Wow...Whitlock is a clown!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 15th, 2011 at 11:56 PM
#66
GordonRamsay
Joined: 02/15/2011
MGoPoints: 13
Jason Whitlock

Lose some weight

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 12:17 AM
#67
MaizeAndBlueWahoo
MaizeAndBlueWahoo's picture
Joined: 07/02/2008
MGoPoints: 32946
baggy shorts : Illinois ::

baggy shorts : Illinois :: winged helmets : Princeton

In other words yes you can get pedantic and anal about where they technically started but nobody gives a fuck.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 1:30 AM
#68
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 56282
One thing the movie did

One thing the movie did (mostly) leave out was the perspectives of the upperclassmen who had to swallow their pride and come off the bench.  Chris Balas wrote a nice story about them:

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1200856

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 4:06 AM
#69
remdog
Joined: 05/14/2009
MGoPoints: 927
An earlier poster...

said it well - Whitlock is an idiot.  The documentary may have its faults but probably fewer glaring faults then Whitlock's idiotic article.  Whitlock claims that the Fab Five was style over substance even though they made it to the NCAA championship game BOTH years they were in existence as underclassmen - barely losing in the second year on a fluke play.  Yeah, style over substance.  What an idiot.  He also claims Fisher didn't coach.  Again, anybody who watched the Fab Five play or is familiar with Fisher's career knows this is an idiotic statement.  Fisher was able to get five freshman and sophomores to play unselfishly as a team and coached them to two straight national title games.  The 1989 Michigan team didn't coach itself to a national championship either.  Fisher may not be perfect but he is, at the very least, a very good coach.  Whitlock goes on to rant and rave about Michigan as a "white school" and Fisher as a "white coach."  What a racist clown.  And idiot.

 His idiocy annoys me.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
March 16th, 2011 at 9:40 AM
#70
ijohnb
Joined: 09/21/2009
MGoPoints: 51815
Jalen's

comments regarding Duke were more self-depricating than anything else.  I watched that documentary twice intently.  Jalen and Jimmy's comments during that movie were cut against Jalen's admission that Duke's players actually had game, film on Grant Hill dunking all over M on several occassions, C-Webb acting like a spolied kid after the National Championship game loss, and many of the Fab Five acting like entitled asses for a good portion of their trip to Europe.  If anything, that entire portion of the movie left the viewer with less of an affection for the Fab Five and more of an appreciation for Duke.  And Jalen wrote and produced a lot ot if. 

Not all of the movie was about celebrating the Fab Five, much of it came across to me as a story of lessons learned too late and a reflection of what those lessons were.  A person cannot tell a story of a historical event without placing it in the correct context and telling the story of the time.  The story of the Titanic cannot be told without presenting the attitude of many that the ship could not sink.  Is it wrong for the producer of a movie about the Titanic to detail that attitude because it proved not to be the case?

The Fab Five have grown up, they are not who they were as was presented by their conduct and attitude while telling the story.  Telling the audience what their perspective was is not condoning the perspective nor did that movie make you want to sympathize with their perspective at that time. 

Whitlock was going to write the peice before he even watched the movie, that is if he even watched it at all.  That article is a joke.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Powered by Drupal, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.