Where is ND Going From Here?

Submitted by UM Indy on
Here's more tired (but entertaining) drivel about "where ND goes from here?" http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090914/SPORTS0604/… What I find most interesting is the total lack of responsibility Charlie takes - it's the bad calls, it's on the players to right the ship, etc. etc. He's too good, too smart, too "schematically advanced" to actually get beat. His arrogance (which can only stem from the Super Bowl rings that Tom Brady won for him) is his undoing and completely UNFOUNDED based on his results at Notre Dame. That game was certainly one of the best I've seen. The only other games with finishes as exciting that I can think of off the top of my head were Penn State '05 and Washington '02. I was curious whether the new boxes make the place louder. There's no doubt they do. Awesome environment, great win.

foreverbluemaize

September 14th, 2009 at 2:56 PM ^

Well I for one am thanking God that they did not have to kick Tate like a dog. I was worried that they would and he would get scared and cower in a corner and all that but WHEEEWH! glad that was not the case. OK everyone wipe the sweat off your foreheads, loosen up a little, they did not have to kick him. I guess the whole lasagna noodle thing was just a facade too, WOW who knew. Yeah anyway does anyone else out there think this guy wrestles against pillows and then talks shit to them as he walks away and flexes his muscles in front of a mirror while having a conversation with imaginary women about how cool he is.

NorthSideBlueFan

September 14th, 2009 at 4:13 PM ^

Not this clown!! According to his youtube profile he's 37!!!! Yet still clearly juicing, cutting incoherent WWE promos as if he's the Ultimate Warrior and best of all trying to relive the glory days of high school football and picking on freshmen. WOW a social worker would have a field day with this fella. As a result of his obvious child like mentality I will need to quote the great philosopher of our time Shaquille O'Neal in saying: "Tell me how my ass tastes?" GO BLUE!

teldar

September 14th, 2009 at 5:16 PM ^

It's amazing that this wasn't made as a joke. Simply amazing. I'm incredulous that there are homers out there this big. And another thing. He wants to "puff his chest" at ND (which he is obviously not part of) beating Nevada (ranked by rivals as #57) but he thinks that Michigan's victory over WMU (ranked at #58) is inconsequential?

Irish

September 14th, 2009 at 2:03 PM ^

I don't really understand the attack on Weis here. Seems like your just trying to jump on a bandwagon. The players on the field have to go out there this week and get right back after it. The captains need to set examples that what happened last week has no bearing on the game this week. They need to show their a mature team who is just as confident as they were in UM week. Weis won't be changing his play calling, he knows what this team is capable of. It will come down to whether the players can get past it and the team can execute the game plan. Just like every football game played next weekend.

teldar

September 14th, 2009 at 5:30 PM ^

That there is no doubt that a quesionable win catapults ND up the charts faster than it should. Just because you go unbeaten doesn't mean you're a great team. I think M's win over Western was just as impressive as ND's win over Nevada. M didn't get any love. Or at least not a whole lot.

TTUwolverine

September 14th, 2009 at 3:38 PM ^

Cincinnati won by 67 points last week, which followed an impressive win within the conference. I know their competition hasn't been spectacular, but you can use the same argument for Notre Dame vs. Nevada. ND may be better, but they haven't earned the right to be ranked higher than Cinci at this point in the season. ND may very well be better than them (and I think they are a top 25 team for sure), but they haven't earned it yet and it is certainly not a "joke" for them to be out of the polls.

teldar

September 14th, 2009 at 5:35 PM ^

No offense, but what world do you live in? Cinci is a bad team? They beat Rutgers 45-17. Then they hung 70 points on a crappy school. And only allowed 3 points against in their second game. They're winning bigger than Florida against similar opponents. Now, I'll admit that I go to Cinci right now, but I think I can be rational enough to say there is no such thing as a poor team that is able to hang 70 points on an opponent. Their coach is Brian Kelly, who just happened to have won 2 national championships at GVSU, took CMU to respectability after Mike DeBord finished trying to kill the program, and has GREATLY improved the football product in Cincinnati after everyone's favorite Dantonio left it. Just saying maybe you should have a look at what Cinci's done before you cast them off as being a crappy program. (And I do hope you don't say that's not what you meant, because it's what your words implied based on the context of your bashing)

Tater

September 14th, 2009 at 6:21 PM ^

I'll give some reasons that I see as legit. First of all, the taunting penalty that was called and a few more that should have been but weren't. One of the oldest adages in football is that when you make it into the end zone, act like you've been there before. ND players act like they are at a big dance party and it's their turn to dance across the floor. That is a blatant, abject failure on the part of the coach to maintain discipline on his team and instill a "team-first" attitude. The last time I checked, that coach was indeed one Charlie Weis. The brilliant playcalling with the two passes in his own end when he should have been running out the clock is almost as criminal. If we weren't talking about ND, I would feel sorry for the players and their parents for believing the load of bullshit he dumped in their living rooms during recruiting. Crying about the officiating when it was so obviously he who cost his team the game on Saturday was something I would expect out of Lane Kiffin and Tennessee, not a great program like Notre Dame. Weis is as qualified to represent a program with Notre Dame's storied tradition as he is to represent Nutri-slim. Weis is a great example of a career assistant who has fallen victim to the Peter Principle; he has been promoted to the level of his own incompetence. Victim might be the wrong word, though, because he is making enough money on his contract to buy a small country when he inevitably gets fired. Weis and Kiffin are 1 and 1A on my list of coaches who should be fired for the good of college football, followed closely by Bobby Bowden. I just hope that Notre Dame doesn't have the smarts and resources to pry Urban Meyer out of Florida.

Irish

September 14th, 2009 at 11:19 PM ^

I have posted responses to each of your points up there in just about every thread that pertains to Saturday's game. And I am just too tired to do it again so if your interested you should be able to find them in my posting history but otherwise, I disagree with everything you wrote.

Real Tackles Wear 77

September 14th, 2009 at 2:05 PM ^

Now I know that they are unlikely to even be so much as competitive with the Trojans later this season, but it is in our best interest to see ND succeed the rest of this year, having already defeated them.

jg2112

September 14th, 2009 at 2:24 PM ^

I think they'll keep it close against USC. Notre Dame doesn't play the part of a team who can't score points this year. As for your second point, agreed. Yes, it's highly improbable anything national title-able (sp?) will happen this year. However, the schedule (Sparty, Iowa, Penn State, Illinois, Wisconsin, even tOSU) doesn't look as formidable as it did 15 days ago. I am not predicting 12-0, not by a long shot (I did, however, predict 8-9 wins and I think that's attainable). But, now that we've beaten ND, it's in our best interests that they go 11-1 so that if the highly improbable happened, Michigan would benefit from beating a very successful Irish team, and also benefit from USC having lost to ND.

MichiganExile

September 14th, 2009 at 3:55 PM ^

SC is not the overwhelming favorite they have been in previous years. That offense looked pretty unimpressive against OSU. Granted ND's defense is not OSU but the game against ND is in South Bend so that will help. A lot of it will hinge on Barkley's progress over the next month and especially how they fare against Cal. If they lose to Cal (and Cal looks damn good) they are gonna have an off week to dwell on that loss and that will suck. ND can score points that is for certain. USC's offense is still a question mark in my mind.

Six Zero

September 14th, 2009 at 2:22 PM ^

proved to me that they're a far better team than I thought they were. Maybe I just didn't want to believe it, but I went into this game thinking they were certainly undeserving of the hype they got from the Nevada game. After Saturday, I reluctantly came away thinking they were better. Most of it, of course, has to do with the receivers. A-class talent on the outside.

jg2112

September 14th, 2009 at 2:27 PM ^

....and on the note of Brian's current UV, Michael Floyd went to one of those Catholic schools in Minnesota where a certain Seantrel Henderson currently is in attendance: Cretin-Derham Hall (also where Paul Molitor, Joe Mauer, Steve Walsh and Chris Weinke went to school). I think it's fair to say that if Tim Brewster would have kept Floyd in state and could have paired him up with Eric Decker, Minnesota would have been a legitimate threat for the conference title this year.

wolfman81

September 14th, 2009 at 2:30 PM ^

I think this game will be pivotal for both of these teams' seasons. This is a saddle point. The winner should be well off, and the loser doomed to failure. Scenario 1) Sparty wins. They right the ship and play tough for the B10 schedule. They have a shot against Michigan at Spartan Stadium. From there, they have to see how they'll do against PSU. Sparty's basement becomes 9-3 and a probable New Year's day bowl game. Notre Dame will lose 3 or 4 (Purdue? Navy? Stanford? BC? Pitt? UConn?) more from there making them about 7-5, and Weis gets fired. Scenario 2) Notre Dame wins. They right the ship and lose to USC (only) and end up 10-2. They get blown out in a BCS game (couldn't resist). Sparty implodes. 6-6 could be generous.

El Jeffe

September 14th, 2009 at 2:32 PM ^

ND finishes 10-2, gets overmatched in a bowl and loses but not badly. Book it. Seriously, who beats them besides USC? Stabbing myself in the eye with a lobster fork as I say this, but Clausen, Tate, Floyd, Rudolph, and that o-line are really damn good. We could easily have given up 35 in that first half instead of two TDs and two FGs. I loved our scrap, but we should feel a bit lucky to get the win here.

mjv

September 14th, 2009 at 3:59 PM ^

ND's OL needs to clean up its technique when it comes to holding. They will continue to shoot themselves in the foot with their current approach. But having said that, they will likely be favored in each of the remaining games, other than USC. And frankly, USC is vulnerable this year. 10-2 is not out of the question for ND. And that offense will keep them in every game they play.

PhillipFulmersPants

September 14th, 2009 at 4:07 PM ^

cakewalk, though. At Pitt, at Stanford, at Purdue (which looked like a laugher a couple weeks ago, but as of today, should be competitive). BC at home. Navy almost took OSU to overtime in the 'Shoe. Washington hung with LSU. Sparty may be closer to Sparty of old, but even Sparty of old has had Dame's number for a while. ND's schedule looked a lot easier a couple weeks ago. I agree they should win these, but beyond Wazzu, I don't see many Saturdays that they can relax. UConn maybe? It's possible they beat USC (though SoCal has a open week the week before, so not bloody likely) and still end up 10-2 or 9-3.

MI Expat NY

September 14th, 2009 at 2:40 PM ^

It all comes down to whether their O-Line is as legitimate as they appeared or if they benefited from the youth on our D-Line. It is obvious that good protection = outstanding passing game and poor protection = bad jimmy. If the O-line is significantly improved, and I tend to think they probably are, I'm hard pressed to see them losing more than 3 games. I think we'll know more after next week's game.

Onas

September 14th, 2009 at 2:51 PM ^

I can see 10-2 for ND. The offensive talent looks great. I was really impressed with Allen. Sure our DL is soft up the middle, but he did fight through tackles and get extra yards like he said he practiced. The receivers are probably the best in FBS and the line (holding... I know) gave Clausen so much time. I wasn't too impressed with USC Saturday night and they play in South Bend. I could actually see ND going 11-1 with a big hype-getting, poll-jumping win over the Trojans. And, hey, if the go to the NC and beat a Florida/Texas sort I'll be the first to congratulate them. It seems weird, but I think this ND team is legitimately very good (at least on offense).

sjastrz

September 14th, 2009 at 3:15 PM ^

I could see them going 10-2 or 9-3. This is the most talented team they've had in a few years and might have a shot at upsetting a big-time opponent in a bowl game.

Six Zero

September 14th, 2009 at 3:23 PM ^

I think Charlie's job could be hanging on that USC game... if he loses to them but wins a minor New Year's Day bowl, will it be enough to keep the ho-ho's well-stocked for another year in South Bend?

Bryan

September 14th, 2009 at 3:38 PM ^

If ND goes 10-2 and reaches a BCS game he will be around 1 more year at least. To get rid of him, unless they completely collapse this year, with Clausen coming back for his senior season would be pretty foolish.

jmblue

September 14th, 2009 at 5:35 PM ^

ND's administration isn't as demanding as people seem to think. My understanding is that they basically don't care about football and just want to keep making money off it. A 10-2 ND team is unlikely to cause season-ticket holders to cancel.

Clarence Beeks

September 14th, 2009 at 3:25 PM ^

It doesn't really surprise me that he doesn't take any responsibility for what's going on. It really reminds of how he treated the whole situation regarding his weight and the failed surgery. That might seem a little insensitive, but I see them as one and the same.

NYWolverine

September 14th, 2009 at 3:36 PM ^

I don't know why everyone is so quick to write ND off against USC. We faced a solid team on Saturday. USC is starting a freshman QB who could have (and maybe should have) lost to OSU. Doc Saturday's article, while scathing, wasn't far off. So we're not talking about an outstanding USC team here (CB play got lit up a couple times on scoring drives), and ND should have some confidence-building wins under its belt going into that game. ND will be thinking 'must-win' heading into USC. I wouldn't be so fast to write them off. But mainly, for me, the bottom-line is the selling point...Michigan beats ND, who beats USC, who beat OSU. If we can have the season that my kool-aid drinking overly optimistic half thinks we can, The Game could be something really special this year.

wigeon

September 14th, 2009 at 4:14 PM ^

I don't see ND losing again. There's NO reason other than Weis, and that's the BIG "if" (pun intended), that they shouldn't win out. They certainly have the personnel to outscore anyone they play. What happens beyond that is on Charlie's grotesque, blubbery shoulders.