We don't need nineteen threads on this.
Where is Lloyd Carr?
"Where is Lloyd" is the new "Denard is Fast"
Cmon get with the times...
What's that about Denard? I hadn't heard.
he doesn't even tie his shoes?
He isn't just fast, he's fast fast.
he's faster than AT&T broadband
Incendiary, definitely Incendiary.
And he has dreadlocks, which is the human equivalent of rocket boosters!
Betchya he can beat a Jimmy John's Delivery guy in a race giving him a 1 mile start.
Lloyd Carr is fast at not defending RR
This pretty much sums up the last 2 days for mE...
As you mentioned it's been sort of discussed a few times. Here are some of the popular responses that have popped up around here.
The most common response, and the one I agree with the most - It would make RR look weak or like he has lost control of the program.
Other possible responses that I don't believe, but have popped up:
a) Lloyd hates bunnies, RichRod, puppies, kittens and babbys.
b) It is not his job anymore.
c) Biggest conspiracy theory of them all - Lloyd was one of the anonymous sources.
(OK, I may have just made the last one up completely)
a caller to sam webb hinted that a former coach is good friends with "the hack writer" (no need for names). so while you made that up, there are people out there that may be thinking it.
I can see the point about making RR look weak, but I think an endorsement, coupled with an analysis of how things that were done under his leadership were no different, could do the trick without necessarily harming RR. Perhaps if he were to wait until after the first game, assuming a U-M win, it might help perception of his comments as well.
would put a quick death, but as it does not seem to be, this would be about THE WORST THING that could happen to Rich. He's a big boy, who can take care of himself, and he must make it appear that way. That last point is pretty damn important. He's in charge, and dammit he'll stick up for himself and his players. Period.
That said, you are 100% correct that some terse words from Lloyd Carr to Mr. Rosenberg would certainly have a positive effect. Hopefully that will take the form of some words of wisdom privately with Rich Rod. Which is the only way Lloyd would have it anyway.
RR should not need Carr to come to his defense. He is a big boy and is being paid big bucks. If Carr feels he should say something, he will. He has always had Michigan's best interests at heart. It is unfair to disparage him because he has decided to stay out of this, for whatever reason.
I'm not disparaging him. I understand he has his reasons and maybe he is working behind the scenes in ways we don't know. Just curious why in RR's 20 or so months as coach Carr has not said much at all endorsing him. Perhaps he thinks it's not his place?
Your original point was that you do not understand why LC does not come out and defend RR in this situation and put everything to rest. I think that is unfair to LC. And, frankly, if RR cannot get through this without LC, I question how long he will last at Michigan. This will not be the last time he has to deal with difficulty in the national spotlight so he better be up to the job.
you're such a psycho, Matt.
We definitely need a new topic.
1. Saying "I don't understand why someone does not do x" is not disparaging that person. It's merely stating that I think that person might do some good by doing x. I'm not suggesting some ulterior motive on his part for NOT doing x.
2. Bo got this type of support, although not publicly, from Bump Elliot. The two situations are not 100% equal, but no one claimed Bo was weak b/c the former coach helped him.
Again, Carr may be doing much behind the scenes that I don't know about. Or maybe not.
Are "not publicly."
I hope he is enjoying retirement.
"You have no idea....what pressure is....trust me...."
Since the Athletic Dept. is investigating the allegations, in my opinion, Lloyd is best served by keeping quiet to avoid a conflict of interest between the team and the AD. For those of you that have forgotten, Lloyd is not completely retired. He is officially listed as an Assistant Athletic Director on mgoblue.com:
as others have said that is not his job and it would make RR look like he's weak/lost control.
BUT if there is a faction in the AD that is against RR and is trying to sabotage him by leaking information to the press then he needs to step in internally and get behind RR. He needs to bridge the gap between the old guard and the new regime.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
In non-related news....How did you lose the majority of the 900k points you had?
This is the like 10th time I've had to answer this but that's okay for you since you're kind of with "The Man". (Don't we all wish that we could be talking about point-gate)
Brian and I both agreed that I should be reset to 0. (He did it as a joke and because I'd get neg-banged for saying anything so he figured that 1,000,000 points would get me through the period).
Ok....continue the joke...
Brian added 100,000,000 or whatever to my points and then took it all away and reset me to 0.
Believe me don't believe me I don't care
Dude, it's a quote from Boondock Saints...relax. I was just saying continue on, and sorry for making you repeat your answer.
It was a billion, not a million. 1,000,000,000 mgopoints.
When you have over 20 since you can post things lol
***EDIT***and now I'm getting neg-banged for responding to people... so I'm done with this topic.
OT. Did you happen to notice Bailey the RB from Woodhaven rushed for 225 yards and had 5 TD's in his game last week against Taylor Truman
So you decide to put it here...because?
If you want special insight, here it is: Lloyd Carr is going around Schembechler Hall, leaving burning bags of shit at guys' office doors, knocking, and then laughing uproariously as they stomp out the small fire and get shit everywhere. He's even filming it and putting them on youtubes.
I've not seen this point made on this blog. I've seen it in other blogs. Perhaps that clears it up.
Interesting topic. So let me get this straight...Carr, who loves Michigan, would get U-M involved in possible NCAA sanctions just to get RR fired? Makes perfect sense to me.
We've talked about this exact subject on 2/3 separate occasions with one having the exact same topic.
Is that you Rosenberg?
This also seems to be rosenberg's MO. He hates RR badly enough to attack the program over and over again.
I'm not saying Carr is doing this. I'm just saying there's some crazy bastards out there who feel their position and opinion gives them the right to do as they wish.
OK, OK. Mea culpa.
Not exactly, he is Associate AD if I am not mistaken. either way, he shouldn't have to say something here ... I think everyone (media minus freep) is starting to see how stupid this is. If he did say something I don't think it would show that RR is weak but that LC has his back which many people tend to think is not the case. I don't know, probably better to not say anything and let this go away in a couple days.
I get the feeling that Lloyd is as much of an Associate Athletic Director as Paterno is a Head Coach. Just epinion.
Anyway, he doesn't have to deal with this shit nor should he.
OK then, how about, where is Moeller?
Maybe we should issue an amber alert...make that a maize alert. "Looking for a man in his sixties wearing tan khakis and a UM golf shirt. Hostile towards members of the media and underachieving football players. Last seen with Russell Crowe."
A statement of support from Carmen Sandiego would really hit the spot right about now.
Yet the silence has been deafening.
What's up with that, I ask of you?
Not nearly as funny as I remembered it. Oh well.
What good would it do anyway? Some seem to think that Lloyd could utter some great words and all would be well. I hardly think that would be the case.
If Lloyd comes out and says "the team put in just as many hours under my watch as they're doing for RR," is that going to end any further investigation of the matter? NO. (I'm thinking it would make matters worse.)
If Lloyd comes out and says "you guys at the Freep are a bunch of hacks and this is clearly a hatchet job," is the Freep gonna lay off or print a retraction? NO.
If Lloyd comes out and blasts the disgruntled former players, do you really think they're gonna come back and say "Oh, we're sorry. We didn't mean it."? NO.
If Lloyd comes out and tells alums and other supporters that they're anti-Michigan for not supporting RR, is that gonna make them more likely to continue their support? NO.
IMO, this is more a battle for public opinion than anything else. The more that comes out, it's pretty obvious that this article's allegations are going to go nowhere. Did you see the Big Ten coaches circling the wagons in favor of Michigan? This thing is over.
However, my request for support from Carr of RR is not really about this case exactly. It's more about the apparent division that exists in the Michigan program (although not apparently on the team). I believe by taking sides Carr can help to heal this division, if only to say "don't come crying to me, RR is coach". Doing this publicly would reach the most people. It could be (and maybe already has been) done privately. I'm not ripping Carr since I have no idea what's going on behind closed doors.
As far as my "suggested" statements above, I think they would help to marginalize the comments of some people. It's not gonna get them to change their minds or back down, but it would help to change the perception of their comments.
And I know, the only thing that will really change perception is wins. But, it would still be nice to see the Great Benefactor of the Program crack a few heads again.
I do wish that more coaches in the Big Ten, along with Lloyd, would just make a simple statement in support of RR, a la Tim Brewster (link in m.go.licious, but also here http://www.annarbor.com/sports/minnesota-coach-tim-brewster-defends-mich...). Lloyd doesn't need to hold a press conference by any means, but at least drop a tidbit to someone. Further, it's the courageous thing to do for other coaches to take Brewster's example. Any one of them could be facing similar allegations if their local paper employed someone as malicious and opportunistic as the sports-writer-who-will-not-be-named. Man up and support your own, coaches (that means you, Tressel!).
Looks like Tressel did: