I like watching good defense and winning, so no, I don't care for yesterday's game.
[EDIT: sorry, can't put aside my fandom either]
I like watching good defense and winning, so no, I don't care for yesterday's game.
[EDIT: sorry, can't put aside my fandom either]
I think you've made your point, we all know how you feel.
+1,000 to ST3
and to you 858 +1,000
well done and thank you
Of one sentence concern trolling is getting old....
Can someone briefly explain concern trolling to me? I looked it up last night, but I'm old and dumb and I still don't get it.
This is the second time I've seen you post this comment and neither time it was answered. It gets humorously more pathetic every time. Please keep asking.
Btw, I have no idea either.
Seriously. WTF is going on here? I can't tell whether everyone knows but it's a pain to explain, no one knows, or no one is reading these threads anymore. I feel like Herm. The world stopped making sense, dammit.
...and u aren't on their payroll.
Trolling is specifically making inflamatory comments to anger a large number of people. The comments are usually made on message boards or in comments on articles. The poster doesn't need to believe what they are writing is true, but instead are writing to anger a specific group of people.
Example: Posting in the comments of a Beatle's song, "I can't believe the Beatle's covered Justin Biebers song XXXXX. That's so tacky." People do this knowing the Beatle's fans will go crazy about such a comment.
I do think a lot of the "trolling" on this board is unintentional.
Thank you, but I understand trolling. Just not concern trolling.
I love Team X and they are Team Y's rival, so I am going to go on all of Team Y's websites masquerading as one of their fans, posting incessantly about my concern and worry with how "poorly" things are going for "us". I am apparently under the impression that doing so will crush the spirits of Team Y's fans, which will in turn have some kind of actual, perceptible effect on Team Y's performance, and that they're more likely to take what I say to heart if they think I'm one of them.
Not saying it makes sense or is a worthwhile activity, just giving my best definition.
Ah, thanks. Best definition I've seen.
Nice work flash_override. This is a perfect example.
I missed the "concern" part of the trolling question. Trolling is usually done without agenda, someone just trying to anger people. A concern troll usually has more of an agenda related to a cause, team, political issue, etc... In this case it would be an opposing fan posing as a Michigan fan.
You didn't care for Rocky, eh?
"No. Rocky should have killed himself in shame for losing that fight. Fucking loser couldn't even knock out Creed after 15 goddamn rounds and he wants to feel PRIDE for GOING THE DISTANCE?????????"
You make a good point. Rocky didn't play defense either, unless you count getting hit in the face repeatedly to be defense. The movie had better music than that stuff Special K plays.
Well I loved UTL more and this was just the 2nd best game if the day
It was easily the best BIG of the year.
It is my favorite big ten game I've ever watched, watching that team played inspired football the way they did was amazing
I wanted the season to be over before Saturday. Now I want Michigan football back ASAP.
Pretty high, honestly. I've been an M fan since 2008 (freshman year) and I think that is definitely up there with 2008 Wisconsin, 2009 Notre Dame, and 2011 Notre Dame for me. I'd probably rank it just below UTL II, with it taking first if we won. Perhaps I am being short-sighted though.
...must have really loved 2010 Illinois.
Auburn beating Alabama was truly memorable with an ending so unique, few will ever forget it.
Our game was a classic in the rivalry, but only the 2nd best game of the day.
I would say that 2006 was more epic because of the 1/2 clash of titans nature. That said, the Buckeyes won both, and this year's would have been more epic if we won it.
It was a fun game to watch but it wasn't even the best game of the weekend.
Agreed. Wasn't even the best game of the day.
Pulling the upset might have upgraded it a bit more but difficult to place any game with an unranked team in the upper echelon games. The #1 v #2 game in 2006 was more classic in my eyes - same back and forth all game, and it meant something major nationally plus Bo's death that week. And the Texas UM Rose Bowl was also a crazy classic. The crazy end of the UM-ND game a few years ago with the last 1:23 or whatever was also classic in the ending at least, although the first 2/3rds of that game was not that good.
Other than this being OSU how was it much different than the Indiana game? It was 2 offenses going at it with little defensive resistance. I get that Ohio's NC chances were at risk but other than pride not much was there for UM to play for.
So, less than all the wins I've seen.
If you're going to participate then participate. What games do you rank as some of the best?
UTL1, MSU 2012, UTL2, NW 2012, OSU 2011, @ILL 2007, then probably yesterday. would have had wisc 2008, nd 2009, nd 2010 if went to those but did not.
I'm drawing a blank on that one. What was memorable about it?
Essentially nothing, aside from Adrian Arrington throwing a touchdown pass, IIRC.
I mentioned it below (as an inspired performance) not having seen this here. Gutsy win. No Mike Hart, a badly banged up Chad Henne, a tough, nationally televised night game against a good team.... all while we were still recovering from Appalachian State and the Oregon annihilation. The 2007 season had plenty of ups and downs, and this was a definite up.
Losing automatically disqualifies that game from being a "best game".
Sucks to lose, but most of us have been to 80+% home wins over the years. Still a classic AS LONG AS we win next year at Ohio and screw their senior day. Then I'll look back on yesterday as payback. Kind of like in '79 when Michigan lost a tough game at home vs. #1 Ohio but beat Ohio 9-3 in Columbus in '80 and won a Rose Bowl after the season.
This was in the same league (maybe better/maybe slightly less than) these games I attended in person:
1. 1979 Indiana (Wangler to Carter game) - better FINAL ending but more action throughout in '13 Ohio
2. 1985 Ohio game - not as close but intense throughout. We won by 10 but had some jitters until Harbaugh to Kolesar for 77 yds
3. 1983 and 1986 Iowa games - lower scoring but intense defense and winning FG when games ended in ties
4. 1988 Miami - depressing to blow 30-14 lead but still a great game vs. #1 Miami. Felt as proud leaving game yesterday as I did in '88 after a loss
5. 1997 Iowa - still my 2nd all-time favorite game, given the magnitude it had in our overall NC year and coming back 21-7 down at half.
6. 1997 Ohio - little offense but tense throughout. Best atmosphere for a game when two team COMBINED for under 450 yds offense and 3 offensive TDs
7. 2002 Washington - wild lead changes
8. 2005 PSU - Henne to Manningham.
9. 2011 Ohio - as close to yesterday as I can remember. Only this time Miller missed Posey for the game-winner (collective ooooooh shiiiiiiiiiiit moment)
10. 2003 AT Iowa - close loss but intense throughout. I have great respect for Iowa fans and their atmosphere.
p.s. ANY recruit who was there could NOT walk away but be impressed by that atmosphere
p.p.s. After the game yesterday, still felt blessed, even in defeat, to have been there and been to about 120 UM games home and away over the years. That was worth $95/ticket and my PSL
I was going to sneak that '97 Iowa game in there. Tim Dwight ran wild on special teams. Griese threw 3 first half ints and my drunken buddy promised he would throw 3 td passes in the second half to make up for it. After he threw 2 tds and ran for another, I told him he made up for it. My bud said no, he'll throw a third. He did and we won.
But I'll always remember when Jon Jansen got hurt, he was using help to get off the field, the crowd was down. He pushed away the guys helping him and he walked/limped the rest of the way of the field. The crowd erupted watching that and Griese went on to throw his 3rd td like I said earlier. It wasn't a classic in the sense of a universal classic, but to UM fans that season, that was the closest we came to blowing the perfect season. I will always love that game.
is the earliest I remember in the stadium, though I've been going to 4th quarters since I was a kid. Behind the south end zone, comeback from 21-7. Still feel the magic.
I think more in terms of a full day of sports.
The Michigan-Ohio State game was a classic, an all-time great game in the history of the Rivalry. It was excellent from beginning to end, and the stakes were quite high for one team.
But it's hard to put it on a list of all-time great games. I think it might be on a five-deep list of "best games of this season," but that's as far as it goes. The upshot was that it was a good enough game that outsiders like Peter King were awed by it, and that the sting is reduced because it was a privilege to watch my favorite team participate in it.
I suspect the reduced "feel" of the Iron Bowl is probably due to our emotional emptiness after the Game that ended just as the other began. The fact is, the stakes were incredibly high. Auburn has an outside national title shot, and Alabama is working on all-time dynasty status (the '02 and '05 title games you list are on my short list of all-time best games as well; part of the reason is that Miami and USC respectively were pushing for all-time dynasty status themselves--Miami, people forget, had a legit shot at Oklahoma's consecutive win streak). The rivalry was already great, one of the three best in college football. There were great players involved. And, frankly, the game lived up even before the finish.
It's not like it was defense-free, and it's not like it was offense-free either. Bama and Auburn traded haymakers in all three areas of the game. Alabama's 99-yard touchdown pass was a play of the year candidate, and it got outclassed TWICE in the same game.
And the ending... I'm a bit of a historical purist when it comes to college football. I resist and resent whatever "this is the best ever" flavor of the year comes by. But that was the best ending in the history of football. Maybe sports, period.
There's no shame in a great UM-OSU game being second to that.
But that brings us back to the "day of football." Because we were a part of a very, very special afternoon of sports. And it ranks right up there with the incredible moments of October 15, 2005. That was the day of the Bush Push (a remarkable, astonishing football game with its own epic ending) but it was so much more. At almost the same moment Leinart was tumbling into the end zone, Henne was drilling Mario Manningham to beat Penn State--one team's national title dreams preserved, the other dashed, all in the space of minutes. Less remembered but not less remarkable, Wisconsin beat Minnesota on an astonishing blocked punt in Minneapolis, and an emerging West Virginia team played an OT classic with Louisville.
It was a day for the ages; in my lifetime, the best college football has ever had, in perhaps its best ever season (that day, a classic Heisman race between two exceptional athletes, finishing with the greatest game ever played in the Rose Bowl).
Yesterday was the only day that comes close. A day where winners and losers alike can step back, watch, and appreciate that they follow this incredible game.
My issue with the Iron Bowl is that Bama didn't play up to its standards, from penalties on offense to a few miscues on defense to the total collapse of their FG unit, which failed badly on the game winning return...I'm with you on not rushing to label something the best ever, but yesterday was only the second Michigan-OSU game decided by one point - and the first since 1926. It was pretty unique...But I only mean these to be minor quibbles. As you say, yesterday was a great day for college football. And that day in 2005 was a great day too.
It was the best game I had seen all year at the time. Then I watched Bama/Auburn and the ISU/WVU game and it became third.
For me, it would rank higher if we won but it's up there with OSU 11, UTL 1, MSU 04, ND 09 and 10, and NW 12.
Doesn't rank up there for me simply because it was a loss. I kept my emotions in check the whole game because I kept waiting for the shoe to drop the whole time. Then when to got to 35-21, I figured it was over. But after we tied it at 35 then it was game on. I completely supported going for two, just absolutely hated the playcall.
Putting aside results:
1973: OSU 10 M 10
2013 OSU 42 M 41
2004 MSU 37 M 45 (3OT)
2005 M 34 MSU 31
1971 Nebraska 35 Oklahoma 31
1969 Texas 15 Arkansas 14
1986 M 24 OSU 21
1988 M 34 OSU 31
1997 OSU 14 M 20 (the wretched field conditions, of which M ought forever be ashamed, notwithstanding)
Other Ohio State games?
For sheer joy? 1969 and 1995. For cold satisfaction, 1976, closely followed by 1991.
1970 and 1972 weren't televised, as I recall, and I was at Army basic training for the '74 game. As for 2006, it just misses.
It's not possible for me to place a loss above any win, but some, for sheer entertainment value, are still worth the price of admission. In this category of "WOW" losses, I'd definitely have to say it's up there with the 2005 Rose Bowl vs Texas.
That said, these close losses, especially to THEM...I've seen some hand-wringing on here about how, "Well, yeah, we've lost nine of ten to them, but some of them were really close so it's not like we always get dominated". Yeah, but that's just the thing: 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006 (and then, yeah, they pretty much were annual beatdowns 2007-2010), 2012, 2013, all close losses...the only time Michigan has won a "could have gone either way"-type game was 2011. This really makes me worry the problem is coaching, when your rival just always seems to be able to make that one play that makes the difference, and you're almost always the one lamenting a missed opportunity.
I don't like any game we lose but when it's OSU, it's even worse...
If I put aside my Michigan fandom and results (it was a heartbreaker, to be sure), I would probably put this game in the top 10 for me, if for no other reason than I was absolutely riveted (save for the moments I was trying to get asignal and monitor MGoBlog) right up until the very end. The statistics on defense may not have been great for us, and the two-point conversion attempt might have been deflating for us, but for entertainment, this was right up there for me.
I can't rank it among the best games because I'm still trying to remove the stake that was driven into my heart at the very end.
However, I'm extremely proud of the fight and pluck our team showed, and it was a very well-played and exciting football game.
Ranks last along with every other UM loss. Don't know how it could be otherwise.
Don't know how it coud be otherwise...
I don't think that's how that logic works.
I assume we're talking in person here. Probably wouldn't make the top 10, likely not even top 20, honestly.
1. 2004 Michigan State
2. 1991 Florida State
3. 2006 Ohio State
4. 1995 Virginia
5. 2008 Capital One Bowl, Florida
Honorable mentions: 1995 Ohio State, 1997 Notre Dame, 2005 Penn State, 2011 Notre Dame, 2006 Notre Dame, 2002 Michigan State, 2003 Michigan State, 2003 Ohio State, 1994 Penn State...
Coming out of the game yesterday, it didn't even register with me as a "best game ever" contender.
Didn't FSU win the '91 game by 20 points? I'm not saying you are wrong to include it. I just think it's interesting...I was referring to any game, btw, not just games you've been to.
Yes, you are correct about the score. (Although, if Elvis throws the go, instead of the hitch, Desmond scores a long TD instead of the Buckley pick-six, cause God knows Buckley bit hard and Desmond was already running the go . . . Sorry, obsessing about shit that happened 22 years ago.)
I was a junior at Michigan in 1991. I was at that game and it was just a cool time. We had not played FSU in a while (nor since). Bobby Bowden was in his prime, and their fans were cool and liked to party. They started hitting town on Wednesday, and the bars were full all the way through Sunday. The atmosphere at the game was just incredible. It was two teams at the higest levels playing in September. (A lot of guys on that field played on Sundays.)
FSU '91 is still the first point I make when I bitch about the weak schedules we have played. Even when you loose, your fans can still have a great time. In the long run, it is better for your players to be in that kind of game and than some FBS school ('cause ya always win those amiright?).
Very close into the 2nd half. We made a comeback bid. Problem was they had two pick-sixs, the last of which made the margin out of hand.
Watching a replay of that game - incredible amount of NFL talent on both teams.
FSU also burned us with the QB throwback play that SHOULD have worked yesterday if Gallon throws it better.
but instead stood still and tried to jump up and catch it.
It's not a simple task as anyone who has misjudged a fly ball can tell you, but Devin could have caught it if he had run under it. There also was an OSU defender near Devin that may have distracted him.
In terms of throw it where only Devin can catch it, I think Jeremy performed rather well on that play. Better to overthrow Devin than to underthrow into the hands of the OSU defender.
The game was positively insane, win or lose. Two great teams, tons of scoring, and a real harbinger for where the college game was heading. #1/#3 matchup, too. I mean, hell, there's a FSU fan out there who ranks it as the best game in program history:
You can watch it here:
Elvis' throw to Desmond at 40:40 is as good as it gets.
I would agree about not being in the top 10, at least in my experience, but i would be hard pressed to put it lower than 14 or 15.
My top 5 would have to be:
1. 2006 OSU-Michigan
2. 2002 OSU-Miami MNC
3. OSU-Oregon in the Rose Bowl
4. 2002 OSU-Michigan
5. 1994 OSU-Michigan - first game I ever went to, first time Cooper beat Michigan.
Was a terrible game. Ugly football. OSU didn't do much, but UM was bad. (I remember Tre Jenkins getting a false start and backing into the motion receiver knocking him down. Kind of summed up that game
Yeah, but I was 10, it was my first time in the 'Shoe, and OSU beat Michigan. I might replace that with 2012 OSU-Nebraska or 2011 OSU-Wisconsin.
I thought 2006 Notre Dame vs. USC was pretty awesome, and a better game than either of the two yesterday. Michigan and Florida in the Capital One Bowl might be my favorite "recent" Michigan game.
But not on my all-time list. In my humble opinion, everything pales behind Braylonfest and UTL I.
MSU '04 was a massive come back over little brother - literally in my case since my kid brother who went to State was at the game with me.
UTL I was just complete, stupid levels of insanity for the last 2 minutes. My wife wanted to re-watch the second half to figure out WTF just happened. Keep in mind, we were at the game and had to drive home before we could re-watch the game. Still did it.
This was just a track meet that came down to one play. Those happen every now and again.
Good game, yes, but the best games I've seen involve Michigan winning. So, its not really up there....
It's not only a huge upset, but a storybook gutsy call that goes down in history. As it was, it was just a really good game.
Sorry. Only a good game if Michigan wins.
we put in the context of the dissaapointing 2013 season and how much heart the team showed in playing better than ever have been this season (at least on Offense).
Taken by the game as a stand-alone event I think it loses its luster a bit, although it probably will rank as one of the better games in the rivalry.
Previously, the 2013 Outback Bowl loss was number one. Even though this hurts more, it was still a lot of fun.
any game of reasonable import that we've won (aka ignore akron and uconn, but include other wins this season), but well above every other loss we've had in recent memory.
The subjective "best game I experienced" is an entirely different argument, in my view. Objectively judging "best games" involves criteria that is quite different from our experience as fans.
When you say "favorite game," there is an accomodation for the excitement of the game, quality of play, and stakes involved, but there is also a much more visceral emotional component.
1997 OSU was, for anyone who was there, a mountain-peak event that was as amazing as any sports experience we could hope to witness. A titanic clash between two great teams. Incredible athletes all over the field, huge hits, big plays...
But aesthetically, it was quite an ugly football game. I mean, c'mon, Stanley Jackson threw a pick-six RIGHT TO Andre Weathers. Michigan had no offense. And Andy Katzenmoyer's attempt at a conversion runback was embarrassing for everybody.
And nobody cares. Because Woodson was incredible and the noise was incredible and Michigan was #1 and we were going to the Rose Bowl. Objectively, it was hideous. Subjectively, it was the greatest thing I've ever seen.
1. Allen Park vs. Wyandotte, 2001
3. Michigan ND, 2009
4. Allen Park vs. Fordson, 2003
5. Michigan Washington 2002
I would rank it ahead of every loss we've had other than maybe the Rose Bowl against Texas. But I can't rank a loss in my top 10. IF we'd gotten the two-pointer and won, it would have been a candidate for top 5.
That game was 1 or 2 plays from being all of our favorite wins ever. Fandom aside, its probably in the top 10. I dont think the serious lack of defense in the game can put it much higher for me - neither team could stop the other to save their lives. OSU couldn't throw and we still couldn't stop them. Devin Gardner was standing on one leg and he still torched OSU.
football performace I've ever watched from a Michigan team.
If you're talking about most inspired performance from a Michigan team, a few others come to mind for me from the past decade.
The comebacks in the 2003 Minnesota game and 2004 MSU game are in that discussion for me, too.
Fuck moral victories and saying it was still a great game. We lost - the game sucked. I am tired of losing to those assholes. Yet another forgettable game.
I just watched the game again on BTN and my initial sense was validated: I feel like we won the game but lost that last play. Watching it again just reiterated how we did in this game what we couldn't do in any other game this season, even the ones we won. Even with dropped balls and bad calls and getting down by two scores and really lax defense, we never let down, and we had an answer to everything they threw at us. And the best part was watching Urban Meyer be uncomfortable for 55 minutes of play. For the first five minutes he was confident. Not so much after that. What a great game.
Too painful knowing the outcome.
Promising for the future, yes.
Brought shouts of joy yesterday on many plays, yes.
Any desire to see it again right now, no.
Beautiful game where M came out on the wrong end. Obviously investment in football vs. basketball comes into play here, but it's still The Game, regardless of what was at stake for Michigan.
The buckeyes seated around me at the end of the game and the ones I saw after the game were a much more subdued bunch than the ones that had marched into the game. When it was over, they knew that the Michigan team was not what they thought it was coming into the game, and they no longer think that their team is what they thought it was, either. They have plenty to worry about next week.
I believe that 1 point loss won Michigan back more respect than scraping out a win against a Luke Fickell coached team on probation.
I like games when we win. Yesterday was entertaining but just another robust punch in the gut.
A couple of my non-Michigan fan friends said it was the best game of the year (this was before the Iron bowl ending), so I know at least two or three people without a horse in the race really enjoyed it. In terms of all time great games, I'll always have the OK v. Boise Fiesta Bowl on my list of top games without a rooting interest.
'13 Ohio and '03 Ohio are the best games I've ever seen at the Stadium.
'03, 100th game, winning the B1G and rushing the field. People had roses everywhere. I didn't see the '97 game in the stadium. And, of course '69 and the birth of Bo's cult of personality.
But '03 still brings the occasional tear to the eye.
I know you said to put fandom aside, but I can't. If Michigan would have prevailed I'd say it would be up there and probably #1, but alas...
As far as games that I've been at I'd have to say that UTL 1 is the best game I've been at. Closely behind that is Braylonfest. And lagging a ways behind those are Northwestern last year, Wisconsin '08, and Illinois 2010.
And this one basketball game in high school were we hit a miraculous desparation 3 at the buzzer to send it into overtime and eventually knock off the team that would go on to win the state championship.
Then it isn't a OSU-UM game, and it a game where defenses were non-existent that was a classic last team to score type game. Fandom aside, this is another UM-IU game this year or the 95-90 Illinois game from a couple of years ago or the loss at NW on A Train's fumble.
It does not make my list of top games. It was one of the worse defensive performances I've ever seen from a Michigan team, at least in my era. Sure the offense surprised everyone and made it exciting. But I never seen an OSU team just dominate our front like that before. I sure hope we have some better players coming up or we may never become an elite team.
There were easily 10 worse defensive performances, comparatively speaking, during the RichRod era alone...
Including, but not limited to, his last 3 games. Not having Ross and Wilson really hurt.
Except for the outcome.
I'd say it was about 3 yards short.
It sucked. UM lost.
not sure if that is even possible, as no one likes losing. But as losses go, it's the loss that feels least like a loss to me. I was expecting a slaughter. When it was 35-21 my thought was: "well, I had thought before the game they'd stay close early but OSU would pull away in the 2nd half as the defense gets exhausted, so I was spot on" but then somehow we came back and got back in it, and the game came down to the wire.
Yes, losing sucks, agreed. But as losses go, this is probably the loss I am least ever upset about.
If I were to set aside my fandom, as an outsider you'd probably enjoy watching this game between two teams slugging it out. Someone mentioned it is like Rocky 1, where the underdog goes the distance but loses in the end. That feels right for a description of this game.