I am dumbfounded how Moundros can surpass not only Ezeh, but also (and especially) Kenny Demens. Is he hurt? Has he lost his wings? Has he simply been out-performed? Wha happa?
I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
Well, seeing as how Michigan has not yet released a depth chart of any kind for the 2010 season, I think you're jumping the gun here just a little bit.
From what I understand, the depth chart will come out after next Wednesday's scrimmage. I think Mundros has plain out-hustled everyone else. Hard work beats talent that doesn't work hard.
I don't think my hard work would be able to beat the talent of anyone on our roster.
I imagine LB is the position where they are trying to force the fiercest competition. It's entirely possible that a depth chart won't be established until after a couple scrimmages.
I really don't get the "holy-hell-our-linebackers-are-going-to-suck-if-Moundros-is-good-enough-to-beat-them-out" uproar. Rather than being an indication that the other Lbs suck, perhaps Moundros is just that good at his new position. He is a big dude, and from all reports smart as hell and hard working. Perhaps he is just a natural fit at LB and will be a huge strength for us. Also, RR singled out Obi during the latest presser as someone he is expecting good things out of based upon this Spring.
but if he is a natural fit at LB then he would have been playing LB and FB.
You are a dick. Moundrous didn't play LB right away because we had depth at LB when he arrived and he was a walk-on. He now has the opportunity to step up at LB due to the situation we are in and may flourish in that new role.
This is straight delusional. Moundros just started playing linebacker. If Mouton and Ezeh made good progress this offseason, what are the chances that a just converted fullback would beat them out?
If what people are saying abou the situation is true:
I say screw it. The law of the jungle with Rich is compete and be better than the guy at your position, pedigree be damned. Don't change the law to appease talented guys who might cave in the tough times.
Eventually the competition will either bring out the best in them or they'll sit. Beyond that, the day will come where the best talent will also be the hardest working. That is the future. Now if the ship can keep from taking on water in the present.
Projections are not guarantees - neither are recruiting stars. Get over it.
What exactly is to be gotten over? It's a legit question that I have wondered myself. He was said to have a great spring, and summer workouts and poof in comes Moundros.
What I'm trying to suggest is that Demens may just not be ready yet and Moundros may have developed into a better player than his star projection had anticipated. My initial comment probably was harsh, but I think its possible that a walk-on could be a late-bloomer. Kovacs and Moundros might also have talent and not just work ethic. Once a guy learns the system, works with Barwis, and is in pads a couple of years I think we should put less emphasis on what they were rated as 16 and 17 year olds. That was the point of my original comment.
Agreed with your last point. There is also an aspect of understanding the defensive schem, reading offenses, and being able to react quickly to move yourself, and in this specifc role, others into the right place to make a play.
It would seem that Moundros is a natural leader. That combined with work ethic, and on field understanding, is really giving the other two a run for their money. (Maybe even more so with the loss of Troys presence ont he field.)
Fair enough to your last point, but why would Moundros be ready as a linebacker before Demens (and Fitz, Mouton and Ezeh)? It's amazing how much importance people on here can give to this being the second year in Robinson's system and then, in the next breath, claim we shouldn't be worried about a guy playing linebacker who didn't even practice tackling until this spring.
Wait, are you trying to say that Martell Webb won't be lining up as our number 1 receiver this year?
we don't have two #2s and can't figure out who our #1 is
we're fortunate enough to have two #1s and can't figure out who our #2 is
I like it! Perfectly said!
and i can say he looks to be in great shape ... i wish i looked half as jacked
Not sure why you would be dumbfounded, its not like Moundros would have beaten out Ray Lewis, if he has in fact, beaten out anybody.
We are coming off the 2 worst defenses in Michigan history and you are dumbfounded that a redshirt soph with limited playing time might be 3rd on the depth chart.
I am wondering why our best ILB this spring isn't running with the first or second team this fall.
Steve- very valid question. The only thing I would add is that, as a football coach yourself, you know that especially early in two-a-days, a lot of times (at least from my experience playing, and from my friends who are now coaches like yourself) early in camp, they give guys who have really busted their butts all offseason and been leaders the first crack. In this instance, it may be the simple fact that they want to pump up how hard work puts you in a position where you earn the opportunity. As in, "hey, this kid did everything we ask, he's the model player from a 'what we want from our guys attitude-wise and hard work-wise' standpoint, and we are going to reward that and send a message to the other fellas that this gets you a crack at the job when it's close, and, really, the best crack- you start out with the 1's in camp."
That being said, it always ends up coming down to who's the best player. If Moundros is the best player, and/or has made the most of what is a pretty damn good opportunity- running with the 1's obviously makes you look better b/c you're surrounded by guys far more likely to be taking care of their responsibilities on any given play- well, then he deserves to play. HOWEVA, I do agree with you that given KD's spring, it seemed like he was a guy who would be getting serious burn. As others have said, it's hard to know until the first game, or at least the depth chart is released. But it also- the whole thing- may be a part of the coaching staff rewarding hard work/dedication, and if it's close between MM and KD or MM and OE, they will give the nod (if all else is relatively equal/a wash) to the guy who put in the work and led by example, etc. For obvious reasons: you want to reward such behavior as much as possible as long as it is not to the team's tangible detriment.
I agree 100%! Having a very hard working converted FB, challenge the two ILBs with a full ride is a great way to heat up competition at a postition that proformed horribly last year. I think that big O will ultimately be the starter against UConn, with Demens taking over for the next two seasons. This competition during training camp has lit a fire under the ass's of those two and will provide depth to this physicaly demanding postion. Hats off to Mark for his effort and may the best man win!
Mr. Webb said on the radio the other day that word was Kenny got a little bulky over the summer, costing him some of his speed and agility. They are cutting a few pounds off of him to get that back.
Don't forget guys that we could rotate the LBs like we do DLs. Just because Moundros may get the first snap, doesn't mean demens won't be in the second (notice in the BTN preview demens, moundros and ezeh all got looks in the middle and left side). We're only commiting 6 to the box and we need LBs and DLs in there fresh as possible to help over come it. Roh is cememted in, while ezeh, moundros, demens and leach will all be in the mix, depending on the situation.