Yeah, I know, we have our coach, let's move on. I say no. UM isn't a private school or the CIA. The alumni, students and Michigan taxpayers have a right to know how Brandon's so-called "process" worked, what happened with Harbaugh and Miles and when Hoke was really offered. There was a lot of reporting during what I refer to as "Hell Week" for Michigan fans after the bowl game that contradicts Brandon's public statements. Michigan should having a winning team, but it should be about integrity too. That starts from the top down. Brandon has displayed nothing but the utmost arrogance, condescension and lack of integrity. Who in the media is going to take him to task? Isn't the purpose of journalism to promote transparency and accountability?
When is the media going to expose Brandon?
Be adult and move on.
There is a correlation between negative points on mgoblog and real life learning disabilities????
That's not even funny. Congrats.
coheres more than nicely with this post.
fairly certain his mouth was closed before i read this thread :/
Maybe I drank too much wine tonight, but I think your comments about DB are a bit "douchy". The process was what it was. Get over it. Hoke, although not my first choice, is doing a good job at recruiting. DB doesn't need to be held accountable for anything. What did bloggers say we needed? A kicker, OL. DL, and defensive backs. What is Brady Hoke going after? OL, DL and defensive backs. If you can't take success, go root for Sparty.
"What?" pretty much sums it up.
DB's job is the long-term success of this program. He should not, could not, would not (Dr. Seuss rules), worry about people such as your self.
At this point, if you're not already suspecting that DB made the right move with Hoke, perhaps it's time you started another account and said something else that caused you to create another account...
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph...
Look I'm just as pissed as the next guy about how DB conducted this process, but do you think it's necessary to attack him for it? What will that accomplish? Self-satisfaction?
I doubt that any sort of "self-satisfaction" would be realized. All it would serve to do is take Brandon down a peg or two, which is the name of the game here. That is what life is really all about.
Taking DB down a notch, means taking Michigan down a notch. Is it worth it?
DB made a judgement call. It's pretty clear at this point that Hoke was his man all along, but he had to either go through his due diligence or pretend to go through his due diligence in order to mollify all of the parties.
He could not win in the short term. He did not win in the short term. I do believe he will win in the long term with this staff. And the long term is his job.
Brandon told you how it worked...move on.
The athletic department is not funded by the public.
The school is funded by the State making it a public institution. Since the school gets money the athletic department gets it from the school.
The athletic department is not funded by the school. The athletic department funds itself off of ticket sales and merchandise.
...the athletic department is still fully accountable for its actions to the people of the State of Michigan through the Regents, regardless of the source of their funds. You can bet your last dollar that when David Brandon was a Regent, he would have had no problem demanding an expanation for anything from the AD.
Just as the US Postal Service is "fully accountable" to the US Government. The Postal Service is a self-funded organization that is forced to live by the governments' rules. They don't receive a dime of tax money dollars yet are forced to lose money in order to continue to operate under and archane system.
That's what we are in effect asking the UM athletic department to do. And yet we wonder why they continue to suffer...Let DB do his job, the "process" never would have occurred if he didn't have to answer to the Regents et al...it looked ugly publicly, but it didn't have to. He had his man day one, just had to wait a week to sign him in order to play by the rules.
Oh, this is just so, so wrong.
This is incorrect. UM's athletic department is not funded by public funds.
When stadium renovations were ongoing, ESPN tried putting together a piece about how the state of Michigan's public funds shouldn't go into something like stadium renovation during an economic crisis. They pulled the story when they realized that UM's athletic department is internally funded.
It's not like this is a new development. The Athletic Department has been completely independent of the general University budget since, what, Yost was Athletic Director?
wrong wrong wrong. Wherever you are getting your information on the financials of U-M, I suggest you look elsewhere.
Hmmm... Not sure what to tell you.
Eat less marshmallows?
The purpose of the media is to expose excess streching.
The tendinitis in my foot is evidence of excess stretching. Drew Sharp, I beg you, do not expose my left foot.....
Don't forget about year's old real estate deals that fell through only tangentially related to a coach. Who cares about privacy when you can get a story!
so much cocaine
heh heh heh
was dead-on with this one.
You're confusing your insatiable curiosity with a "right to know", a common mistake by people on the internet, but, the 2 are not the same.
We finally have good press for the first time in years so I don't wanna rock a boat for absolutely no reason. Nothing would ever co.e of any expose so I say Go Blue. Win and move on.
Ohhhhh Boi....I have a feeling this is not going to bode well
You are getting a lot of mileage out of that picture.
Yeah I'd be bitter too if I was a marshmallow.
Or would I be sweet?
We dont have a need to know. There should be accountability for the money, but how DB conducts his business, how he wipes his ass, or how he bangs his wife is none of our business. Just as long as there was nothing illegal or immoral, who cares what was said and when.
This is stupid. Please don't be one of those people that DEMANDS ANSWERS FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST. Please don't be one of those people that thinks they have a RIGHT to everything everywhere at any time. Since when has a coaching search ever involved everyone knowing exactly what happened at every step of the way?
And besides, I'm sure Brandon felt that not giving every detail of his process gave him a competitive advantage. And for those who are questioning whether there actually was a national search, even if he was settled on Hoke, don't you think it was a good idea to talk to as many people as possible to get all the info to make sure it actually was an informed decision?
This is an awesome thread
Who knew someone's unfiltered internal monologue would be such great message board fodder?
And the points being thrown around are epic. The OP went from 120+ points to -100 something. Ted Kaczynski is getting pos-banged like a mofo.
"you better let go of that anger...it'll eat you up inside..."
The media is really nasty. It can expose you, me and perhaps DB. We are all on the same side...correct?
"you keep carrying that anger, it'll eat you up inside baaaaaby"
I don't disagree with you. I thought something was very fishy when Hoke's name was mentioned as the new coach the day before RR got fired. DB comes out that night and says no decision had been made. The next day RR gets fired and a week later Hoke is name HC. How did it get leaked that a guy no one ever expected to be coach, and then a week later it comes to fruition? Something's fishy for sure. On the surface it would appear there wasn't a "national" coaching search which would be a damn shame.
How did it get leaked that a guy no one ever expected to be coach, and then a week later it comes to fruition?
Uh, because the media did what they always do and speculated? And because one of them speculated, that was reason enough for them to parrot what they saw elsewhere? And because a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while?
Jeezis, I didn't like the way the process happened either, but because I thought it was poorly managed, not because I think there was a gunman on the grassy knoll.
Oswald acted alone. The grassy knoll was empty. There was no conspiracy.
I have no problem admitting I'm bitter about it. Let's be honest though, who in their right mind would have guessed Brady Hoke even before RR was fired? This guy would have been about 100th down the line(he may turn out to be the best coach in UM history)as far as "finding the nut". Its just too coincidental for me that's all. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to wonder what really went down.
A lot of people on this board, including other sources. He was having success and had stated Michigan was his dream job. It was even in his contract at SDSU. It's not that hard to make the connection.
He was actually one of the top 5 names that I had heard mentioned (if not top 3).
Not that he would have been in my top five... Although, he's been growing on me at a rapid pace (even without any touching).
Its time to come down off the ledge, find a good Michigan man and just hug it out. Let it go man just let it go.
*Insert obvious Ari Gold photo*
Why don't YOU expose him? It should be easy, with all the things he did wrong. So have at it.
I still think Hoke was his guy all along, because he wanted a coach who wasn't "bigger than" the program, like even Harbaugh or Miles would be. That might be wrong, but it's my guess.
As for a lack of integrity, I disagree -- he vigorously defended Rodriguez to the NCAA, he gave him the full buyout when they could have tried to invoke the NCAA violations clause, and there were no leaks at all about the coaching search from the Michigan side. You can disagree with the firing, or the timing of it, or the timing of the hiring, or even who he hired, but I really don't see where the "lack of integrity" thing comes from.
Man, Brandon's PR efforts have worked pretty well on this crowd...
It was mostly your ineptitude, to be fair.
You're so witty.
I would pack it in and take a break...you are just digging yourself a deeper hole and a longer stay in the frigid temps of Bolivia.
It's summer in Bolivia right now, so I would imagine it is actually quite warm right now.
The problem is that he'll probably still be in Bolivia when winter rolls around.
This thread backfired on you, eh!
Don't forget that Paul McCartney was replaced in the Beatles by a look-a-like in 1966 after the real Paul died in a car crash. The truth must come out!!!
Your 72 points (going down) don't allow you to judge us quite yet.
But where is the lack of integrity? If you disagree with his decisions, or the timing of his decisions, fine. But I just don't see the "lack of integrity" thing. He's been very careful in his words about offers, I think to protect Michigan, Hoke, and even Miles and Harbaugh. But what exactly has he done that's so sinister, or corrupt?
Do you want to get into the personnel changes? How he fired Jamie Morris, after he broke the rules and then lied about it? How he swept out everyone involved with Michigan football's first brush with major violations -- while still criticizing how ridiculous the reporting was about that event?
Your grapes, sir, are quite sour, and you're making me wish His Dudeness was posting instead of you.
If anything, Brandon could be accused of worrying too much about integrity when he gave RR the chance to coach the bowl game (as well as everyone else coaching in a bowl), rather than make a decision on his future in December, as is more typical.
"Isn't the purpose of journalism to promote transparency and accountability?"
Maybe if you ask a journalist.
They are really coming out of the woodwork aren't they?
You just suck sir. Good day.
publicly held coaching searches, you will never, ever be able to hire a coach. There are too many things that need to be confidential.
So this is a really bad idea you've proposed.
Call Michael Rosenberg, maybe the two of you can hatch something together.
I'm sure Drew Sharp and Mike Valenti will also be happy to help.
He'll have to wait for Lloyd Carr, to dig up some dirt, and pass it through his channels.
Negotiations are always carried out in a public venue, the truth is what it is, JH and LM decided they could use UofM to increase the fatness of a wallet. Good bye and good riddance to both.
This whole idea that Brandon dropped the ball regarding Harbaugh is really starting to piss me off.
It may not have occurred to you, but Harbaugh had a say in this whole thing, as did his WIFE and newborn baby. He just got a tremendous raise and the opportunity to challenge himself at the highest level in his chosen profession. And, oh by the way, he doesn't have to pick up and move his family.
Harbaugh came right out and told Brandon that he was going to the pros. End of story.
Christ, we're having a tremendous day with recruiting despite all the negative press that it was impossible to salvage this class, and you want to bring that shit up. Go away.
- RR blows himself up (in OSU or Miss St, argue about that all you want)
- waited to talk to JH (got shot down)
- talked to LM (likely an honest dialogue on DB part. LM tells him to go scratch)
- made a few other inquiries (likely half-hearted)
- offered Hoke
here we are. can't say I can see anything else he did wrong. sure it would have been nice to have things settled earlier but not sure how that could have happened if you were going to wait for JH.
unfortunately there is not a good time to conduct a coaching change. I have always felt that the NCAA should encourage hires to be made after Jan bowls. However, with the signing date in early Feb along with early enrollment, that becomes difficult. Perhaps the signing date should be push back two weeks to allow for a more orderly change of coaching ranks.
So we land 3 recruits today and you just couldn't handle all the good vibes. Let's see what can I come up with to bring everyone back down into my hell.........Oh yea let's go after Dave Brandon that ought to bring everyone down.
STFU and move on.
Would you also like a transcript of the conversations between Brandon and RR? Should that be public knowledge?
How about we demand the football team publish its playbook and open up all practices to media?
Will that satisfy your need to know?
Come on, you don't have the right to know just because you pay taxes (I'm ignoring the fact that the athletic department is independent from the University).
So we are asking the media to attack employees of Michigan's athletic department?
1. There may be no written record of any offers being made to Miles, Harbaugh, or whomever. There almost certainly weren't minutes taken during Brandon's conversations with them;
2. No coaching search is pretty;
3. We're not talking about Watergate or the invasion of Iraq. You're asking a lot of the sports media to pick through Brandon's records (those that even exist) to find out the details of a coaching search that is over.
Go back and read his statements. They don't jibe. Why would we as fans want someone dishonest representing our program and school??? This is an honest question. Not trying to ruin your lives or anything.
Jibe? A combination of jive and jib?
If you're just being silly, my apologies.
Really going down with the ship on this one aren't yah? Of all the things, you pick this topic?
This comment best summarizes my opinion of how this thread has played out...
I expect a certain amount of dishonesty when it comes to coaching searches, pro sports free agency, pro drafts, etc...What lies do you think Brandon told that ended up hurting someone?
for his BlogKondom.
DB demonstrated his integrity by allowing his current coach, and future coach, to complete their seasons and bowl games with their current players...it was an honorable, deliberate approach; he explained his position on this over and over again. He got the right guy in the end, and the jury is still out on the impact to recruiting. It is entirely possible that the same recruits that changed their mind after the coaching change would have done so even if the change was made right after the OSU game...
I love how this guy doesn't even come back to defend himself. I'm starting to think people just like to stir the pot for the hell of it.
Nah, I have defended my position. But man people act like I just declared allegiance to the Buckeyes. I guess you can't really express an opinion around here anymore without getting negbanged and criticized like you're Rich Rodriguez or some other person who single-handedly destroyed Michigan football /s
Is that really sarcasm?? You just went on a tirade about exposing DB?
You had a position? Did you diagram it and share it with the nymphomaniac community?
puzzles me, but also piqued my curiousity. Where is this community? My Garmin is waiting ... and by Garmin, I mean ...
Looks like your time on this board will be short lived!
Your original argument not only lacked logic but it revealed a complete ignorance to facts that could have easily been found. Dave Brandon's salary is not funded by the state, so he isn't forced to reveal his actions or intentions.
You scream about a lack of integrity yet you just make a general accusation. Miles and Harbaugh had other options to choose from. Otherwise, your only motivation is that you were displeased with how the process played out and who was hired. That's irrelevant to the point you're trying to make and comes off as delusional.
while they lasted...
So what is everyone on this board going to do if UM goes private and nobody will have any "right" to know everything that happens?
I want to know how these Sociology professors get hired. And then where the hell do they get these advisors in the Residential College?
I'm not getting my drawers in a bunch until we get those questions answered also!
Why do so many people call DB arrogant? I don't get it. Is it because he wears a suit and tie, is an eloquent speaker, and has more money than most of us? Or is it because the naysayers lack self-esteem, are negative nancys, and are dead inside?
Same reasons why us U-M fans are called 'arrogant'
Shut the fuck up, Donny!
You're out of your element Donny!
Because it's not worth its own thread. But more worthy of a thread than this. Why does "Footsteps" Falco suck? Because he went to Ohio State.
I promise to donate 1 MGoPoint for every comment Marshmallow makes in this thread. I'm all about charity.
The US Gov't contracts with my company, and pays my salary, would you also like to know how much I make?
How about what I had for breakfast this morning? If you must know, it was Panera and it was tasty.
You mean to tell me that David Brandon did not use Robert's Rules of Order and take minutes and get a vote???
I tell you what...I make a motion that you STFU!!!
I will second that motion.
All those in favor vote by saying aye!
The Pizza Has Been Delivered.
Please go away.
I just keep hitting F5 to see how far he is falling points wise, it's actually quite fun.
I want to neg him, but I don't have enough points yet. Someone neg him for me.
Dave Brandon is no fool. He is smart enough to not leave a paper trail.
He will be able to "not confirm nor deny" or "not recall" and no one will be able to prove otherwise.
The accusation that "Brandon has displayed nothing but the utmost arrogance, condescension and lack of integrity" is inflamatory and just plain stupid. What Brandon has displayed is the he is smarter than an idiot like Marshmallow.
.....having the right to do something with doing it being a good idea. For example, I have a right to pierce my ears with bullets, turn my hair into a pink Mohwak, and sing show tunes to my boss, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
Irrespective of how the Athletic Department is funded, someone can use FOIA to obtain information about the search process.
As DC he will pick the coach who he projects will do the best job at the school. BH was his favorite all along. I think he would have hired BH a month to 6 weeks earlier but he could not pass up the chance of hiring JH. I do believe JH did express interest in coaching at Michigan back in November but opportunities coaching in the NFL opened up and there went JH. I think the national coaching search was a wasted week since DB wanted BH all along. Well I hope BH does a great job and like RR he has my full support.
You know where they are really receptive to calls for a media investigation of your school's AD?
It's also an excellent place to conduct national coaching searches, should the need ever arise again. On other threads, in fact, it looks as if people may be coming here to quietly look for the next BB coach......if they had their way anyway.
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For the assist.
Db has played it very close to the vest but he hit a home run with Hoke evidenced by the moment Hoke stepped up to the podium to the former player and coach reaction to hitting the road hard trying to salvage this recruiting class...I'm over the Db debacle
He didn't hit a home run by hiring Hoke. I'm withholding judgement until he actually coaches a game or two here, but 47-50 is not encouraging. He can say all he wants (and to give him credit, he's said all of the right things), but until he wins on the field, this isn't a home run and it's not a failure of a hire. Time will tell. I am glad with how he's salvaged this class, so far though.
This is fun watching his MGoPoints evaporate.
#1 nothing is more fun than your avatar, nothing that is all
You made a post that was, frankly, a bit silly. You got negged to Bolivia. Not a big deal. If FuManBlue can come back, so can you. Don't worry too much about the comments below. People didn't like your argument, myself included. But you WILL come back.
I BELIEVE IN YOU, MARSHMALLOW!
let it go. It's time!
the past month or so- let's just move on and get to building a contender on the field for next year.
I hate it when people ask questions they know the answer to and I hate it when people go out fo their way to humiliate other people.
It serves no purpose. Brady Hoke is the coach and a good man. He has hired a great defensive coach who is also a good man.
Time to rally around the coaches and their hard work in the last two weeks..
I hate it when people go out fo their way to humiliate other people.
It serves no purpose
I dunno, I kinda like how some people went out of their way to humiliate the OP, and it has made him unable to post again, so I'd say it serves a purpose sometimes.
But with regards and in the context of your whole comment, I'd have to say I agree 100%
120+ responses and not ONE of us answered the OP's original question.
The media is scheduled to expose DB at 3:45pm next Thursday. Sorry you missed the announcement.
EDIT: The really funny thing about this thread is NOTHING new is being posted to bump it down the board. So it sits proudly in the #1 slot with its inflamatory title just inviting new visitors to the site to swing by and cast a vote.
is way to much of an evil genius to leave and or make any kind of paper trail. Don't you think all his cell phone calls and e-mail went out on his underlings gadgets? Did he really even leave the office? Flight tracker said many things and DB made fun of all the info flying around about where he was and wasn't. Can the pilots be found or are they all missing since last week? Where did the airplanes go, are they in the Bermuda Triangle in little pieces buried under piles of conch shells? Does the AD office have a call log on its video conference machines? Oh, maybe someone should pull the SKYPE logs, I bet those are full of inflammatory web addresses and personal e-addresses. Hurry, there might be a statute of limitations on this, HURRY.
So, what happens if BH and team win 10 + games this year? Then what say you!! Are you a bandwagon jumper or do you continue for years to lurk in the background waiting like a spider for DB/BH to prove your Hate correct?
For anyone trying to further divide this program or trying to keep it from healing...
Thin The Herd
Let's skip the expose and get right into it...lets all meet up with pitchforks in hand and I will hand out the torches and we will get those answers together! Ready Break! Seriously though this thread is dumb.
You're really Drew Sharp trying to get us to do your dirty work now that you've lost your press pass?
Oh, that's right. You still have the paper half of your press pass.
Where are they going to get any info to expose Brandon? Les Miles? Jim Harbaugh? Brady Hoke? Only thing that they will eventually get is Brady's contract. Fort Schembechler has been re-established and no information is coming out of it.
I plan on exposing myself to members of the media ......
Brandon needs to unleash a Maze and Blue Noid. Other than our cursed Adidas crap and the closing of Thano's Lamplighter on Liberty Street this is clearly the reason for our recent plight.
I'm gone all day, and I come back to find the front page full of commitment posts, and an epic neg-bomb on the boards. A wonderful day for Mgoblog!
The "I am a taxpayer and thus own Michigan football" line is one of my favorites. It demonstrates utmost ignorance, seeing as the Michigan football program is renowned for paying for itself as well as every non-revenue sport (plus the band).
Toasted Marshmallows anyone?
Wait... How do you make a post with -189 points? #sarcastic
David Brandon doesn't own anyone an explanation. People act like he could have anyone he wanted, like Harbaugh or Miles or pelini or anyone else some of you idiots saw coach a good game once. What if Harbaugh never wanted to come here, is that DB's fault. What if MSC told him he wasn't allowed to hire him. Will the Michigan fans be better for knowing that. What if LM never wanted to come here but just wanted something from LSU. If any of these things are true than DB is willingly taking the brunt of your abuse because it is better for the fans to hate him than know the truth that maybe everybody doesn't want to coach this team. DB works for MSC. She works for the Board of Regents and they are
Elected by you. Direct your requests to them because they are the only ones that owe you an answer. Let him just do his job and you just support the program or go root for someone else.
I have a feeling that OP's next train stop is Bolivia.
Why don't you change it to sending people to "Limbo" as in the 4th dream state?
But I don't think anyone, other than we posters, apparently, cares anymore about how the search went down. And I like marshmallows.
ENJOY IT NICKY!!! DO IT!!
He was very careful how he chose his words. He said, "I never offered any other coach the job." This doesn't mean he didn't go to Les Miles or Jim Harbaugh and say, if I were to offer you the job, what would you say? I'm sure that's the way he did it because he'd rather not risk getting turned down or have to put another coach with a job in a position to where he has to turn down his alma mater.
Either way, I'm not super happy about the Hoke hire either. However, unless you are donating an obscene amount to the athletic department, DB doesn't owe you a damn thing. Its his choice. His job. His responsibility. His neck on the line. No point wasting time, energy, and money to see how he did this thing. In 3 or 4 years, if we are still losing, Hoke won't be the only one who has to worry about his job.
Unless you want to take on the responsibility that DB does and have to make hard choices, I suggest you man up and grow a pair and stop complaining. I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
I firmly believe he didn't offer JH or LM the job.
Because neither one of them would have healed the divide. Hoke is the right choice for bringing the fanbase back together, he's a leader. He may not be the best "coach" for the job. But he's the right leader.
The "leaders and best" have proved how important of a concept that is to us over the last three years. RR was and is a fantastic coach. But he wasn't the leader we needed. He did not UNITE THE CLANS.
We'll be fine now. It was the right move to hire Brady as unsatisfying as it felt at the time.
.... maybe not so much that Brandon, as an employee of a public institution, has to expose everything but that the media is acting as sychophant cheerleading fans rather than adversarial journalists attempting to expose the truth.
I've been amazed at the outright cheerleading of Hoke by the media as opposed to the very negative, combatative role they played after the hiring of RichRod.
I am the first person to say that Brandon's handling of the coaching change was distressing and creates real questions about his abilities to successfully manage the schools athletic department, but the community doesn't need to create another public enemy #1 just for giggles. There is a faction of the UM fandom (like most schools) that is like a school of piranha - they have to consume something negative to be happy, and will fabricate it if necessary.
Why would they expose him, is he hung like a horse?
for them to further, therefore there will be no muck-raking
Who let drew sharp have an account on here???
Haha, I was thinking the same thing.
More interesting article title: "When will Brandon expose himself to the media?"