can we all just get along, and try to pull in the same direction for five or six more games?
There's plenty of time in the offseason to debate this topic.
What's wrong with the students?
can we all just get along, and try to pull in the same direction for five or six more games?
We should get rid of assigned seats in the student section. Nobody uses them anyways, and it would encourage students to get to the stadium earlier. It would also be nice to restart the whole "Be early, Be loud" campaign.
Except for the fact that I'm a Junior and my class would be getting totally hosed. I spent two years with crappy endzone seats and as an engineering student I don't have enough time to compete with all the freshman psych majors who would be lining up at 8am
I feel you. I'm a freshman engineering student. I'm sure your workload exceeds mine. I have enough time on the weekend if I get focused on Thursday and Friday. Be honest: do you really do any work early Saturday morning?
I feel like I'm reading ND Nation with all this whining.
There is just as much, if not more, whining here as ND Nation and RCMB. We even won this weekend.
I am proud of the fact, yet completely surprised, that there weren't 15 threads about Jason Avant not saying "Michigan" during player introductions tonight.
Youth is wasted on the young.
We have a huge stadium. This means that every student who wants a ticket gets a ticket. And there are plenty of students who are fair weather/non-fans who get tickets with the intention of going to the big games and skipping the poor ones.
But its a good problem to have: at Oregon, they have 3,000 student tickets for 20,000 undergrads. At places like Arizona, they sell you a sports pass. Don't show up 2 hours before kickoff? Shit out of luck despite already paying in.
So some students didn't show up for Purdue. Did it really affect the atmosphere that much? I doubt it. It certainly didn't affect performance on the field. And I guarantee that it will be rocking again for the remaining two home games.
Fergodsakes if your gonna go to a football game dont tell the people who want to watch to sit down. Yea it was miserable to go to the msu game to be told by my own fanbase to sit. And also, ever notice how when we start the wave it never makes it on the home sideline. Gee wonder who sits there... The students havnt gotten worse in my 4 years but the alumni have IMO.
If you show up to a football game in skinny jeans, Im hoping you leave early. Skinny Jeans are the most embarrassing thing to see on people.
Students should get to the games on time. But this is an age-old problem. It was true when I was on campus. For the noon games, the student section was always half-empty at kickoff unless it was a really big game. To be fair, I think most students want to get in the stadium on time, but they just don't plan ahead, and all of a sudden it's 11:45 and they've got to hustle to get to the Big House.
This never seems to be an issue for the 3:30 games.
This has been the case for me far too many times. Getting some good drinking going and time sneaks up on you, especially when you live a decent walk from the stadium. For 3:30 games, you basically have to pace yourself to make it to the game, so you're much more aware of what time it is.
Still, I'd take someone who was there for 80% of the game but spent the whole time standing, cheering, and making noise when we're on D over someone who's at the enitre game seated and silent any day of the week.
I wish they would go to general seating in the student section. It would encourage early arrivals and prevent the sorostitues from coming in 5 minutes into the 2nd quarter and demanding their seats, just so they can leave at halftime.
I say make the student section general admission. Some people may not like it and may choose not to buy tickets, but that's fine. Those are the people whose seats usually end up empty anyway.
But I just hope Lloyd Brady can get there early enough to get to his seat!
(although it is nice to get better seats with seniority)
That would make sense if you were gaurenteed better seats with seniority. My best seats were junior year which were barely better than my seats sophomore year.
Were you in a group? Because that probably would explain things.
I think the general seating idea is horrible. In fact, I think it's important that upper classmen are closer to the action. It's sort of a right of passage with Michigan football. As you learn more about the program and have experienced the program more, you get closer to the field. That's how it should be.
If there really is a problem, see if it's going on in the other sports. Are people becoming more apathetic towards athletics? Is Yost worse? Is Crisler going to be worse? Is this specific to football and what's the root cause? Are we complaining about this game or several games this season?
The majority of the games I have been to at the Big House over the years have not been "big" games. I went to 05-Penn State (Henne to Manningham) and 04-MSU (Braylonfest) but the 35 other games I have been to were against the lower Big Ten teams and MAC teams. Despite that, I never remember seeing the student section that empty at the kickoff until this year. Yesterday, it was about 40% full. For the Minnesota game 4 weeks ago, it was about 20% full.
The entire stadium is packed except for that one section. I get the argument that Michigan has not looked like Michigan the last 3 years and that many of the students have not lived and breathed Michigan football like the rest of us have for so many years but damn...no students for the pregame where the marching band forms that block M and plays the greatest fight song in the land is just too weird. It's depressing.
Bottom Line is Students are here at University of Michigan for the EDUCATION. So if a student can't go because of studying, are you blaming him/her for that???? I mean come on, we all got a life.
Yep. Lots of studying happening on South U on Saturday 15 minutes before kick off.
I think the biggest problem with the student section is that we all have assigned seats. You can show up whenever and you always have your same seat. In my 3 years as a student im yet to miss a pregame, but obviously a lot of my fellow students cant say the same. Even for the basketball games, no assigned seats, everyone is there on time trying to get the best seat. We should switch and do like a lot of schools do and make it first come first serve, you would take care of the problem real quick.
When I was a student (graduated Spring 2002)...we didn't have anywhere near that bad of attendance or a stupid "you suck" chant -- mind you these students do the you suck chant when our team was down 5 scores a couple years ago. This has nothing to do with the excuse that many kids come from out of state - our numbers of out of state kids were the same a decade ago. Half of the students I went to the game with were out of state. This has to do with so many kids today being fair weather fans. I have heard plenty of fans and other alumni that do not visit MGoBlog complain about the students.
P.S. I had to walk to the game through 6 miles of snow. But in all seriousness, this student section is a disappointment if it isn't a big game like against Notre Dame.
What else can MGoBoard find to get upset with during a 7-1 start? Jesus, you people are terrible.
The play-calling, the music, the ads, the I-form, the students, the alumni, the "branding", the loathsome former coaches, the quarterback usage..my god, why do some of you even fucking bother if it's so terrible?
Yep, pissing contest, which is sad that Michigan fans have to find this topic to argue. Only thing I noticed, watching this on tv, since I don't live close to A2, is the shots of the stadium right before kick off and that huge block of emptiness in the corner of the endzone. Looks pretty bad, never notice that happening prior to a Penn State, Wisky, or hell even OSU game. May have all the excuses in the world, but it still looks bad.
So blasting Seven Nation Army and Ozzy Osbourne over the loudspeakers isn't creating a more passionate fan base? God, I'm just shocked.
Looks like we need more crazy jerseys and a cute furry mascot.
One of my degrees is from Alabama. When I was there -- Ray Perkins/Bull Curry years, not great teams except for Curry's last one -- the student section was always packed at kick-off, and that was back when half the games were played 60 miles from campus, at Legion Field in B'ham (not a particularly good part fo town, either). Higher percentage of students who grew up passionate Bama fans? Without question, but going to the games is also a bigger part of the culture there. I didn't grow up a passionate Bama fan, hardly cared about Bama at all even when I was a student, but I was in the stadium well before kick-off. The passion for Michigan football lies largely outside the student body, at least these days.
Sad. I've noticed that the last few years, since I started trekking back for a game a year, or so.
If you can't juggle school, football, and partying you don't belong at Michigan.
Unless you're a grad student who went here for undergrad, you have never seen a respectable team until possibly this year. Sorry, but you can show all of the Michigan historic pride you want, but it's difficult to get too amped when your team was losing to Toledo as a freshman, Purdue as a sophomore, and getting absolutely manhandled by any moderately respectable school as a junior, it is tough to really be that passionate. Let Hoke run off a few great seasons, the pride will be filled back with the students, and you will see a better student section.
You can't call them fair weather fans, since they've only been here when it's been shitty.
Under that logic, the freshmen right now (myseld included) will be big fans because of the UTL game and the fact that we're 6-0 at home with a chance for two more huge home wins, there could be a turnaround. Only time will tell.
Honestly, though, I think that most students plan to arrive on time, but lose track of timing and end up getting to the game after kickoff. When we are up big on a team like Purdue and mid-terms are soon, some students are going to leave. It happened when my sister was a student in the Lloyd Carr days.
Make the seats available to people who want to show up by kickoff. If students can't drag their asses to the stadium until the second quarter, then they clearly don't have that much of an interest in attending the games in person.
It was a huge point of pride back 5-6 years ago and all years before. Again, how can kids be this die hard about football when the only thing at their school that has not been superior to their big 10 counterparts is football? I am at every game by kickoff, but I can't blame the people who have sat through three years of the dark ages of michigan football.
If anything, you all should sympathize that every other student in the history of Michigan (after 1900) got to see multiple awesome teams, while these poor souls got to see RR for their first 3 years. Granted, it's a first world problem, but you'd be pretty pissed off too if you came into the debacle that was the RR tenure. I bet you by the time these freshmen become seniors, you will see a much better / more passionate student section.
Folks who are more current with ticket validation can enlighten me if they wish. Back in the day, students could easily dump their tickets if they didn't want to go to the game. Now, it appears they have to give them to other students or force the non-student purchaser to trek over to will-call and pay a hefty validation fee. I recall robust student ticket market in the 80's and 90's. As a result, the NW corner filled relatively quickly before kickoff.
You guys are crazy, everyone here is talking about how awesome the stadium used to be. I wouldn't think I'd have to remind people that during these glory years of fandom you all remember the Michigan fanbase was being called a wine and cheese crowd and the quietest 100k you will ever here. Before I came to school here I routinely heard Michigan stadium was one of the most dissapointing atmospheres in football. Now this year that perception is beginning to change and all I see here is bitching about the crowd, get off your damn high horse it was and has always been the same for every student section in the country for noon games no matter how awesome you remember yourself being
This is Michigan (fergodsakes). There are but 7-8 home games per year, so that's 7-8 chances to see Denard Robinson work his magic. I sure as hell wouldn't take that for granted. You paid money to see these games...why wouldn't you show up on time? You need to study? That's what Sunday's for. You were hungover?Well, maybe you shouldn't party so hard before a noon game...that's what Saturday nights are for. These are all excuses, not valid reasons. Think the football team is afforded the luxury of extra study time or partying? Hell no. Think the Band is ever late to a game? To quote Revelli, "To be early is to be on time, to be on time is to be late, to be late is to be forgotten." So sac up and show up when the game starts, no matter what time it starts. You bought the tickets, so it's your obligation to maximize their entertainment value (or give/sell them to someone else who wants them). You have no idea how awesome of an experience you're missing until you can no longer go every week. I live out of state...I get to come back for maybe one game a year. It makes me more homesick than anything. And I get to pay a lovely price of $200 per ticket to see OSU...on top of a $300+ plane ticket.
So, all's I'm saying is don't take it for granted.
Oh I want to go back...I gotta go back...
I'm a freshman. My seat is near the top of the bowl. I like football too much to sit there. I walk into the stadium, and instantly go down to near the middle of the bowl. As you approach row 30 or 40, the stands get really crowded, there isn't much room to stand. Plenty of other freshmen are like me. This is why the top of the stands sometimes looks empty.
Are some students late? Yes, but it isn't as extreme as you would expect because students congregate lower in the bowl. If you stand you make more room.