I like letting guys play but I don't like the team with the fewest fouls all year getting called contstantly while the bigger, rougher team gets off free. I like no-calls, I just like them called fairly.
What's up with the no call on Stauskas getting hammered?
It's not about being too soft. What can you do when you're not allowed to shoot layups because your being hacked?
This is basically like pick-up hoops when you drive in the lane and get hacked...especially on game point. Except you don't shoot free throws in pick-up hoops. The beauty of officials is that you get rewarded for getting fouled by attempting what are called "free throws". It's part of the game, and it's frustrating when you don't get to shoot any when you get fouled. I'm all for "letting them play" on loose balls, even the occasional rebound. But getting hacked while shooting layups - and no fouls called - is just plain unfair.
The worst part was how enthusiastically the ref motioned it went off Stauskas leg when it never touched him.
That is what you get when you have officials that clearly have vision problems.
We arent the same team on the road against good teams. Bottomline. I can't help but compare the struggles to football. Great at home, great on road against bad teams, struggle on the road against good teams.
I think Biefeldt plays GREAT defense and has passed Horford. Until Morgan comes back, I think we play Bielfeldt and McGary, with Horford getting a few minutes here and there. Horford is all finesse and gets punked by physical bigs and cannot get the boards that Biefeldt can. Stauskas and Robinson are on severe cold streaks, as is Levert. Anyone think Vogrich can still knock em down?
Coach Beilein shows he never learned from the Evan Turner buzzer beater. If you have fouls to give, use em. Even if he gets the call in the act of shooting and hits all three, the clock stops and you get a shot. Even if you only have 2 seconds left and have to heave a half court prayer (those never go in right? loll) it's a shot.
Got to beat MSU with Harris and Appling banged up. No excuses.
According to Dakich, Beilein was calling for a foul. For some reason, not everyone got the message.
Hasnt knocked em down in 4 years!
I thought Max looked good as well, but he's gotta kick it out to the guards after he grabs an offensive rebound. He's not big enough to just go back and put it in the hoop.
because JB has forgotten more about basketball than you'll ever know.
Definitely a terrible call. The referees allowed them to slap at our guys' arms all game whenever we grabbed a rebound, which was irritating enough, but there you absolutely have to call it a foul. One minute to go in the game and a guy loses the ball after getting raked on the arm? You can't "let 'em play" there.
Going to point out that "no calls" actually *do* impact the outcome of the game!?!?!?!?! You are impacting it by what you are not doing. 35+ years of playing and watching basketball and I've heard that crap the whole time. It's frustrating and it's only something an announcer who doesn't like to to have stoppages for free-throws and in-bounds palys - or the team who regularly benefits from them - ever says. Rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant.
Just watched it again. All ball on the knock out - can't see where/if it hit Stauskas on the way out.
Stauskas should have chinned the ball like he's supposed to. He let it get slapped out. There was slight contact but not much.
Quit looking for excuses.
Love the snappy down voting a reasonable statement
Our whining reflects our team's softness. I don't think we get partial credit for being close or stylish - play tough and grind out a win.
Find me a teams fans that don't whine after a loss. It has nothing to do with toughness. It just sucks to lose
Michigan fergodsakes. We shouldn't whine like the lesser sorts.
If this team is going to push deep into March, we need to adjust to poorly officiated games.
I hope the guys learn and grow from this game because we're the better team.
like the one in the first half.
Feels good to bitch about the officials. So cathartic
No point in dwelling on it. That's what happens in Madison. It's just bullshit, move on and forget about it.
held accountable it will remain the norm.
Yes, the officiating sucked. Let's move on and beat State!
The ball to your chin and man up.
Also, thing I'm curious about and hope someone asks Beilein: did the miscommunication with regards to Tim's foul status (apparently one of his early fouls was changed to GRIII) result in Caris being in the game with the order to foul? So just in case something went horribly wrong Tim wouldn't be fouled out for overtime.
Because... yeah. That would be a concrete example of the officiating screwing us.
Dont blame the refs, its a road game in the big ten, you are NOT going to get calls. Period.
If we put one shot in the basket in the last 6 mins of regulation (other than the hardaway desperation 3) we win. If we dont miss 2 fast break layups in overtime, we win. It was a very ugly performance and the only people to blame is the kids for lack of execution.
Tough loss on the road in the big ten. Lets just go win at breslin and make up for it.
doesn't make it right. Why do people hold basketball officials to a lower standard than refs in other sports? It's not ok, and I am not justing talking about this game, I am talking about basketball in general. As long as people write it off as the norm and make excuses for these guys, basketball officiating will continue to be piss poor.
while i agree with your overall point, the officials have a tough job to do. I dont know if you have ever tried it, I have and it's not easy.
On top of that, the rules are ancient and not followed by the game today. If they were to call basketball by the rules in the books, every posession there would be multiple fouls.
The game has evolved but the rules have not (with the exception of continuation and some of the different fouls and whatnot) thus making the officials jobs that much harder to do. There is so much room for discretion that it is nearly impossible to have 2 sets of officials call the game the same way. You just have to adapt and play how they let you play.
If you want to put the officials under the microscope and maybe expand instant replay in basketball, by all means go that route. I understand the frustration. I just see it a different way.
We aren't as good as everyone says. Hell, there are those, mostly announcers and national media, that say we have a good/ok defense. This is similar to those saying we had a good secondary this past year on the gridiron.
The officials hosed us. There was another play in the first half too where the ball bounced off of a Wisky player's head laying on the ground and the ref said it was off Stauskas. Just atrocious. LeVert was hammered on one play. A lot of poor calls. I thought the one WI block was a goaltend. McGary also goaltended on a play and they missed that although WI immediately got a putback.
We need to finish better and be more physical in finishing. Guys got fouled on a lot of shots close to the rim and those fouls were not called and became misses. That's on the refs but if they take some of those shots up stronger then they will get calls.
In the big picture, B1G officials let way too much physical stuff with the hands go on and now the body bumping is out of hand too. That's always going to be a disadvantage for us as that is not our style of play and favors certain teams like WI and MSU that tend to be overly physical.
That no call was complete bullshit. We got screwed over twice. The guy slaps the shit out of him, and then they add insult to injury saying it was OoB on Stausaks. Even if it did go off Nik's leg, he was fouled.
I feel almost like the ref needed to go with a soccer call there. If you're not going to give him the foul, when the slap causes the ball to go off Stauskas then you have to blow the whistle and give a late foul call on the Wisconsin player.
To let him get away with a foul and then reward him for it is ridiculous.
I agree with the above statements. We haven't gotten the same home court advantage in our games. Craft was allowed a three with the shot clock expiring, Burke was called for a foul where he didn't even touch Deshaun Thomas, and Amir Williams was allowed to touch a ball on the cylinder.
I notice this in every game I watch. In today's game Michigan was getting bad calls that were crazy obvious.
There was a ball midway through the 2nd half on michigan s side of the court that went out of bounds clearly off the foot of a wisky player (there was no player near the Wisky player on the ground when the ball hit his foot and rolled out of bounds at Michigan's offensive baseline) that the ref called out on michigan. It s that bs that is ridiculous.
I can live with close calls, but blatant ineptitude (or bias) by the refs is complete bullshit.
No one to blame but ourselves
The refs were awful. The slaps, the shoves, the contact, etc. I like calling an open game where few fouls were called, but if you don't call ANYTHING around the rim then it totally favors the unathletic team like WIsconsin who shoots jump shots and cripples an athletic team like MIchigan.
The killer for me was the ball that hit the Wisconsin player in the head who was lying on the ground and they gave them the ball. That is pure incompetence. Fouls are tough to call....and thus prone to wild swings in performance by the ref. Missing blatantly obvious things is just incompetence. Much like the Craft three and the OSU goal-tend.
All of that bitching (and more) aside, our fricking big men need to learn to finish. I am so sick of them missing bunnies at the rim. Heck, the shortest and least athletic big we have (Bielfeldt) did better making a tough layup at the rim than the others. Between that, lousy defense late, and the lack of fouling we lost the game.
Stauskas and GR3 look like they've hit a wall. Both playing pretty poorly even if it is against tough competition. GR3 has been no where near the rim the last three games on either end.
to be one of those reasons. I will agree however, that Stauskas and GR3 need to start playing like were earlier in the season. GR 3 in particular has looked lost the last three games.
Both seem to dissapear in tough environments. They are playing like freshmen so it is what it is. The youth of this team is starting to show now.
...like everyone else. This team is very talented overall but I sense a physical weakness that teams are going to key on. We aren't a physically strong team and I think this will haunt us in the end. We should not lose to Wisconsin. They are not elite or even ranked. Bad loss. This makes EL trip a must win. Can't go 1-3 in your tough stretch of the season. This loss puts Michigan's back against the wall for the #1 seed....let's see how they react.
at Wisconson isn't exactly something new. The Zebras have definatly been part of that trend for teams trying to win there. I seriously hate everything about Wisconson basketball.
Yeah, Wisconsin is no good, they only won in Assembly. And will be ranked in two days, but they're not right now, so DOOOOOOOOM
Come the fuck on, people.
When hes not shooting. The kid cant hang on to the ball in big moments for some reason.
He's just a shooter?
@16:13, Michigan is down by 2 pts. and rebounds a missed jumpshot by Wisconsin. THJ has the ball in transition with Stauskas arriving at the bottom corner spotting up for a 3 ball. THJ makes the pass and Stauskas shoots the ball with a defender flying past him. Stauskas shoots it short, but follows his shot (note: good fundamentals on the play) for the rebound. Stauskas get the rebound and takes a dribble to go strong to the hoop. As he dribbles, Wisconsin's guard (jersey # 1) falls to the ground in front of Stauskas, not only tripping Stauskas but hitting the ball as it is near the ground on Stauskas's dribble. The ball's natural momentum is completely altered by the Wisconsin body and makes a direct line out of bounds. What is so insanely frustrating is the position of the referee.
He's on the baseline looking at the play the whole time. He doesn't call the foul against Wisky for tripping (from not boxing Stauskas out). Not only that, but he calls it out of bounds on Stauskas!!!!
It makes absolutely no sense. What was the ref seeing?!? How can I not assume incompetence or blatant bias on the ref (rhetorical question)?
than the one in OT. I can not see anyway that the ref didn't see that clearly. Which only leaves possibility if he saw the play properly.
I couldn't believe this call. Through the power of DVR technology, I replayed this over and over. I first assumed the Nik dribbled off his foot, thus causing the ball to carom quickly out of bounds. But it seriously went off Wiscy's head. Right in front of the ref. Un-freakin-believable.
But the execution down the stretch was worse...offensively and defensively.
So disappointed in this game.
Is RCMB, if we had won and not executed poorly down the stretch, we wouldn't bitch. If the refs are horrible Tuesday but we win, nobody will say anything. We laugh at izzo all the time for all the whining he does, yet most of you are doing the same thing. This team needs to get tougher and learn to execute down the stretch on the road. We haven't beaten a quality opponent on the road yet, luckily, most other teams haven't either. Quit the damn whining.
One thing I want to say in regards to execution and its hard to pile on THJR, but how many times today could he have moved one of his feet about 5 inches further back and attempted a 3 pointer instead of a long two. He's getting a bad habit of not knowing where his feet are, we could have had at least two additional points in regulation if Timmy keeps his feet behind the line, I think Burke did it once too. Probably the worst shot in basketball.
is not matter how bad the officiating is in a particular game you can never call out the officials. That is good to know. Refs are paid to a job like everybody else, and just like everybody else they should be accountable if they do a piss poor job. The fact of the matter is basketball officials have a larger impact on the game than in any other sport, but yet for some reason they seem to be held to the lowest standards in terms of being impartial and calling a fair game. That is a bad combination.
Weren't good, we didnt execute worth a shit, if we had, this discussion wouldn't happen. We didnt lose this ame because of officials. We lost this game due to poor defense and inconsistent half court offense, Wisconsin, Wisconsin scored 65 points on us! Not good...
that we could have won with more execution, but it's also possible that balanced refereeing would have won the game as well. I don't know why it's so terrible to want decent refs....we aren't the coaches....
Be, but again, one thing we can control is our execution. There is no way Wisconsin should score 65 points on us.