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...I don't really care about wins so much. The most important things are program stability with high graduation rates and minimal embarrassing, off-field activities.
Given the number of people in college football who have a win-at-all-costs mentality, I'm just not even sure that it's worth expecting to compete with them when we all know the playing field is rarely level. And when you consider the risk of Colorado or Penn State style scandals, I don't feel it is worth the risk of creating expectations for wins and subsequently hero-worshipping those coaches & players who deliver on those expectations.
I know that I'm in the minority but if I learned anything from the recent years of Michigan football it's that a losing season is no the end of the world. The game is meant to be a fun, Saturday afternoon distraction and if one keeps a level head about things, then even the losing seasons can provide a pleasant bit of entertainment.
I'd also agree with those who suggested that we only have two uniforms. Maintaining traditions should also be considered a baseline of success. The more we lose such things, the easier it is to lose interest. And that, for more than any wins, would be a much greater failure.
Until the 2008 season, I felt that success would be a 10+ win season and a major bowl victory.
After 2008 and 2009, I felt that success would be a winning season and bowl appearance.
After 2010, I felt that success would be a 8+ wins and a bowl victory.
After 20111, I felt that success would be a Leaders Division championship and an appearance in a BCS or prestigious non-BCS bowl.
After this past season, I am more inclined to agree with the posters who want UM to regain its old mystique by dominating inferior competition and holding our own against elite national powers, irrespective of the actual record.
1. Absolute MUST - Win the B1G title outright, no flukes or doubt. (undefeated in conference play.
2. A Rose Bowl victory over USC, Stanford, Oregon or some WORTHY PAC-12 opponent.
3. A strong showing in the National Championship game, playing well.
4. Winning the National Championship game in decisive fashion over a favored SEC opponent.
Addendum - beating all of Michigan's biggest rivals in the same season is part of the mix.
For me its competing for big ten titles every year, winning the rose bowl maybe once every three years and contending for a national championship every year, and winning it once a decade would be nice. Obviously beating OSU and MSU as well, but I would like to be better than .500 in bowls
Lots of analytical explanations here. For me it's much simpler:
1974-2007 - felt good to be a Michigan Wolverine (I became a fan in 1974 at age nine)
2008-2010 - felt shitty to be a Michigan Wolverine
2011-2012 and beyond - again feels good to be a Michigan Wolverine
We don't have to cheat to get to the NCG. We already recruit as well as Auburn, LSU, Florida. Various teams who played in NCGs and won.
-Beating two out of three rivals each year (with an emphasis on OSU being the most important / I realize we are done playing ND for a bit coming up)
-Winning the big ten title
-Competing for a National Title on a consistant basis (probably the biggest area Michigan has failed in past decades although I still think Michigan got screwed a few times in the 1970s and would have easily won more than 1 NC since 1958 if there was a 4-team playoff)
1. Beating Ohio
2. 10+ wins
3. Playing in BCS Bowls
Compete for Big Ten titles every year.
Beat OSU. Not necessarily every year, but it should at least be a good game.
Compete for national titles on a regular basis. Maybe not every year, but be regularly in the mix.
Help remind Sparty that they should stick to basketball.
Leaders both on and off the field. Seriously, we need more men like Patrick Omameh.
Hoke leading this program the right way. No over signing, no negative recruiting, and reminding our players that the reason they are at Michigan is to get that diploma. If a player gets to the NFL, that's fantastic, and we should all be proud of him. But that's not the main reason of why you go to Michigan. In my opinion.
Never potentially sacrifice the integrity of our program just for W's. If winning is that important to Hoke (hypothetically speaking, of course), he should not be coaching at Michigan.
The B1G titie is more of an afterthought to me. When you say "the leaders and the best," you're forcing a comparison with, well, pretty much everyone.
With that in mind, I'd say the goal should be to have a perfect season and win the national championship. Win the B1G, but lose to Notre Dame? No thanks, not good enough for me. You have to beat the primary rival, which will always be Ohio (Yes, that Ohio), not Sparty. After the Ohio State game, beating Notre Dame is the next most important game on the sked, regardless of the fact that it doesn't impact the B1G.
What's the definition of an ideal season in our lifetimes? '97 was obviously the best. After that, I'm really tempted to say '99, even though we lost to Sparty. Comeback wins over Ohio, Notre Dame, Penn State and Alabama, with our team nationally recognized. In '96, the college football world was howling with cries that "the Block M stands for mediocrity." By '99, those claims had been silenced. A 3-season record of 32-5, highlighted by a national title, three bowl victories and winning 3-season records against all major rivals will tend to do that for you.
game more than Wisconsin, basically a regular at the game. Beat Ohio at least at a 50% rate, at least enough for Ohio fans to know if they come to A2 in Nov it will be a long sad ride home. Also if I may? I would want to be in the talk of future MNCG every year, I would like to play in the MNCG 1 in 6 yrs. Win a MNCG within next 5 years. Win a real NC playoff championship become the undisputed NC for that year then I can die. GO BLUE!
Reclaiming our part in the Big 2, Little 10 (or 12 or 14) status again. Winning our share of B1G titles and when we do, belonging in the playoffs. Not being afraid of a mobile quarterback on the other team. Never showing up to a game with no hope of winning. Doing it with more class and integrity than any other major program.
It really depends on what timeframe you're talking about. Over a ten-year period, success to me means a 9-3 average, with a couple of years being a national title contender.
How often has that ever been a part of UM football? That explains a TON about your posting. In the past 20 yrs there's maybe 8-10 teams in the country that fit that profile
Success is when you look at the schedule every week and legitimately think Michigan should win. The few times they lose it should be because the opponent that week played their perfect game. That is the Michigan standard of success. Always has been, always should be.
Beat Ohio, playoffs every other year.
Basically Alabama but without all the dirt.
I won't accept anything less
So you think we are at the point where we can challenge our main objective of winning the B10? I say this because it gives me pause that our objective is to win the B10, and not necessarily the NC. Don't get me wrong, winning the B10 is an achievement, but its not even close compared to a NC. You can't tell me that you wouldn't be disappointed in a season that we lost all our non-conference games, but won the B10.
Times have changed and Bo's mantra of winning B10 championships as our main goal should be put to rest. This is Michigan fergodsakes, he should be shooting for NCs. Plain and simple.
Yeah, but you can't win the NC if you don't win the B1G Championship. You can control winning the B1G Championship, but not necessarily the NC, though with the playoff it is moreso.
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Michigan has the biggest stadium and possibly the best resources in college football. There is no excuse for them not being a team that plays for the National Championship at least once every five years. That is one "slot" out of ten. Any team that calls themselves the "leaders and best" should be able to get one out of those ten slots in a five year period.
If Ohio gets to the NC game using the spread next year, it's going to be time for the "old school" people who dominate the decision-making process involving sports at the University of Michigan to re-evaluate their insistence on using a 20th century offense in the 21st century.
When Bo had his great years, the option was a "modern" offense. That was the last time Michigan was ahead of or even with the curve on offense. Oregon, ND, and Ohio are proving that the spread works "up north" and that it's possible to reach the NC game with it. Ohio didn't reach it in Meyer's first year, but they did go undefeated.
David Brandon has no problem trampling on tradition when it means he is going to make more money, but seems to insist on an anachronistic offense for the Wolverines. If he wants to actually put his money where his mouth is, he needs to tell Hoke and Borges that it's time for Michigan to join the 21st century on the offensive side of the ball.
Brady Hoke does a great job of motivating and recruiting, and has as much integrity as anyone in the game right now. He delegates his offense, and can delegate a spread offense as well as he can a more traditional one. Al Borges could learn the spread in two months, and could combine it with his WCO principles. It would look similar to the "Run and Shoot," which did create a lot of space for Barry Sanders in Detroit.
If Brady Hoke wants to transcend the 3.5 loss average of the "Michigan coaching tree" and actually win some of those championships they talk about on State Street, he is going to have to incorporate the spread into the offense. He just has to get permission from David Brandon.
I hope permission is forthcoming.
Win B1G and play in the Rose Bowl (or MNC bowl du jour) = success
Anything else is not a successful season at UofM.
I am not irrational enough to think we should have success every season, but that is success defined.