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What would the stadium look like with the south endzone enclosed?

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:34 AM
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What would the stadium look like with the south endzone enclosed?

With DB stating that he wants to enclose the southern part of Michigan Stadium with bleachers to expand capacity close to 120,000, I can't stop thinking about what that would look like. 

I am perplexed at what it might look like though because the new scoreboards will block seating in the middle of the new proposed section.  Since nobody will want an obstructed view, it seems like the bowl would be broken.

Are there any other stadiums that have this sort of seating arrangement that we can look to?  Are there any MGoArchitechtes out there who could do at least an ariel diagram of how the seating would look?

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
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I think Brandon described at

I think Brandon described at the DC Alumni event as each side would go up to the edges of the scoreboard.  On the other hand, he also stresses a walkway connecting the two, so I guess I'm confused too.  Your welcome for the non help.

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
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God forbid they won't let it

God forbid they won't let it look like a horseshoe!

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
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If our awesome stadium gets any bigger...

smaller buildings will begin to orbit around it. 

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
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smaller buildings will begin to orbit around it

That's already started, unbeknownst to most people Crisler Arena was originally located on the other side of State St. but was drawn across it by the Big House's gravitational pull

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
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Illinois stadium

Maybe something like Illinois stadium on the non student section end the seats go up and around the scoreboard

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
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Like this?

I guess it's possible that the new scoreboards will be so high that there will be seats under and behind it that can sort of see the field...

 

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
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The seats get too far away so I imagine a Penrose Stair

design that wraps back around again while going up to keep everyone close to the action.

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:55 AM
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Why?

Why would they only "close" one endzone?  Is there a reason that only one would be done (and not both) other than expense?

 

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June 14th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
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Well there's that, and the

Well there's that, and the fact that the stadium would seat about 140,000.... and truthfully, we might not be able to fill that week in and week out like we do now.

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June 14th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
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FWIW, Brandon said that

FWIW, Brandon said that several architecture firms have said that the maximum capacity is no more than 125-128 thousand people.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
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Brandon said he would leave

Brandon said he would leave that option for a future AD.  He wants to be sure that demand for seats will support the first expansion before taking on a second one.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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Apparently

there is not enough demand yet for closing both endzones at once.  DB said that he hopes that his successor can enclose the north endzone, which would bring the capacity to around 125,000!!

In DC, DB said that once the waiting list gets big enough and the continued widening of the current seats allows the south enzone expansion, he'd do it, and give the crappy seats to the visiting team.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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I just imagine the bowl continuing:

<br/><a href="http://oi53.tinypic.com/igx303.jpg" target="_blank">View Raw Image</a>

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
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That was quick

and it looks awesome, but wouldn't the new scoreboards be right in the middle of the section?

Could they eventually move the new scoreboards back after they expand the seats lik in your picture?

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:10 AM
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Agree, but with a cutout for

Agree, but with a cutout for the scoreboards.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
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Awesome?

Yeah, awesome!

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
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with a cutout, as noted above:

<br/><a href="http://oi53.tinypic.com/2d1l8wj.jpg" target="_blank">View Raw Image</a>

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
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I want to marry that picture. So beautiful.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
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I want to marry that picture. So beautiful.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:47 AM
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Excellent work

But, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that this would look good.  I want more capacity, but the only way I see it looking good is to wrap the suites around, which I don't like.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
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Capacity

I would guess that picture would fill 140,000

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
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Before the Stadium gets to a capacity of 125,000...

I hope they figure out a way to park the cars of at least half of those people.

 

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:08 PM
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For one thing, it takes a

For one thing, it takes a hell of a lot longer than an off-season to build an underground parking structure. If you're in Ann Arbor, go check out the structure going in at South 5th and Liberty right next to the downtown library. My firm did / is doing part of the design and we have a 2008 project number. Groundbreaking was in October of 2009 and today, it still looks like a gigantic hole in the ground. Also, that one, in particular, costs upwards of 42 million dollars to build, so there's that.

You can check out the "progress webcam" here if you're interested: http://webcams.christmanco.com/underground-deck/

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
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Also if you are paying $20

Also if you are paying $20 for parking and you aren't right next to the stadium then you are A) lazy or B) stupid.

EDIT: or C) crippled (sorry).

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
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.

Or you want to give some poor students beer money because you remember how much fun you had with parking money in undergrad. I wouldn't call walking through campus on game day a terrible experience either.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
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Some good solutions they may come up with (sarcasm):

1. Email everyone and tell them to find a carpool

2. Change the renovations in Crisler to make it into a parking garage. The basketball teams will play at the IM building or CCRB.

3. Send Dave Brandon to 5 cities in 6 days to see how those cities handle parking.

4. Invent teleporter.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:49 AM
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Disagree on this one

The bowl is amazing in and of itself. An upper deck would look just like PSU's, and the Big House Bowl is one of the most intimidating views in sports anyway. 

When Yost designed it it was important that when you went through the gate to your seat you could instantly see the entire stadium and have a "take-your-breath-away" moment at the sheer size of the stadium. I wouldn't want to lose that with an upper deck

/read Soderstrom's book on Yost everyone, it was great

Edited:

PSU's Stadium:

Link to Soderstrom's Book: http://www.amazon.com/Big-House-Fielding-Building-Michigan/dp/1932399119/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308066577&sr=1-1

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
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i agree

while a second deck would probably be the most practical solution for the endzones and allow the fans to be closer to the field (or as close to the field as you can be from 120 rows up), i can't imagine getting rid of the iconic bowl design of michigan stadium.

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
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I'm not a fan of an upper decker

Or an upper deck on Michigan Stadium.  I don't think it's a relevant point though.  I've heard before that the original intention was to eventually build an upper deck and seat around 140,000 - 150,000.  However, after one of the more recent expansions an upper deck became unfeasible anyway, as there isn't the proper structural support (or something around those lines) to implement such a massive undertaking. 

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June 14th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
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suites were a massive undertaking

and they didnt have a structural footing beforehand. thats why they put it in with the project the same way they would when adding an upper deck. I think you would overlap the upper deck several rows over the lower bowl to decrease the ocerall footprint of the big house and allow for even more sound catching opportunities to be thrown back onto the field.

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June 14th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
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They also cost $250 million.

They also cost $250 million. A potential upper deck would have to be longer on both sides, so I would guess that it might be even more expensive.

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June 15th, 2011 at 8:09 AM
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i'm sure the engineers can

i'm sure the engineers can figure out a way to add the upper deck, i'm just staying that i'm opposed to the idea. michigan is one of the few true bowl stadiums and i'd hate to see that change.

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
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or both sides..

<br/><a href="http://oi51.tinypic.com/xduwzo.jpg" data-cke-saved-href="http://oi51.tinypic.com/xduwzo.jpg" target="_blank">View Raw Image</a>

edit: well one of the scoreboards is backwards, but oh well.  I think this stadium would look sick.  

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
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Upper deck

above the suites!  Capacity could be 250,000!!!

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:49 AM
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An aerial view of what it would look like:

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
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Denard could probably still

Denard could probably still go endzone to endzone in about eleven seconds.

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
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You trumped me....

I was working my way down to the comment section to point out that the Big House might join the Great Wall of China as the only man-made structures visible from outer space.  Well, now we know the answer.  It's almost as big as the state of MEECHIGAN!

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June 14th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
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Is the Big House moving to

Is the Big House moving to Kalamazoo???

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June 14th, 2011 at 11:56 AM
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would it be all that hard

would it be all that hard just to move the scorboard?

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
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I don't think that moving the

I don't think that moving the scoreboards is a major undertaking.  And relative to the cost of expanding the Stadium, this is the likely solution.

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
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Maybe we should ask Jerry

Maybe we should ask Jerry Jones

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June 14th, 2011 at 7:47 PM
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Have you seen the columns

Have you seen the columns that have been put up to support the new scoreboards? I just drove past the stadium today. The columns are massive, and there are six on each side. It would not be a trivial undertaking to move the scoreboards.

The way they've been spending money on renovations and upgrades to the facilities, I suppose it's possible they might move them. But my guess is any expansion of the stadium--at least in the next decade or so--will be worked around the scoreboards.

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
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Aesthetically Pleasing, But Not Functional

Hate to be those people sitting next to the Press Box in the top row...the will only get to see about 30 yards of the field.

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
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I don't understand the

I don't understand the confusion.  The endzones are already enclosed.  We'd just be adding rows (and presumably, moving the scoreboards back).  It wouldn't be much different than it is now.  Even if only one side has rows added, it's likely that fans would hardly even notice.  For a full decade (1998-2008), the east sideline's rows did not go up as high as the adjacent endzones, and few ever noticed.

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
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way i would envision it would

way i would envision it would be from hearing what DB is saying is the brick part of the concourse would be expanded around. and the scoreboard would be mounted to that maybe? then two upper decks added on ether side?  would give a nice apearence from the outside I would think and not look like just some added seats

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
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No upper decks !!!

Remember this is Michigan !

If Yost had wanted upper decks, he would have built them.  It is the perfect stadium for college football.  

I have no problem with adding capacity.  The additional sections would allow us to move all the visitor's fans to an even more remote section of the stadium.  I think we should give them the last 2 rows at the top of the expansion.  The sound delay may be entertaining ....

Go Blue !

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
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Yost built the stadium with supports in place for a second tier to be put on the bowl. He saw football expanding rapidly and realized they would be needed someday. Foresight, brother.

Info from Bacon's history of college athletics class.

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
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I believe Yost had planned

I believe Yost had planned for capacity somewhere near 200,000.  He probably did not factor in Godzillatrons or concessions, suites, etc.

But to say Yost didnt want more capacity couldn't be further from the truth.

 

I say, if we can fill it up, build more seats.

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June 14th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
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If Yost had wanted upper

If Yost had wanted upper decks, he would have built them.

Yost wanted the stadium to hold around 140,000. The regents only agreed to finance a 70,000-seat facility (though he did make sure to have footings put in to allow for future expansion).

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June 14th, 2011 at 12:34 PM
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Questioning the value of this

I'm not sure I understand the need to add so many more seats, particularly when they will be awful from the standpoint of watching football being played.  IMO, not only has Michigan Stadium reached its reasonable capacity maximum, but football stadiums in general shouldn't have more than about 100,000 seats.

I made it to a Bears game in the renovated Soldier Field in 2009 and found it a great contrast with Michigan Stadium.  Full football capacity is about 61,000 and there truly isn't a bad seat in the house.  Since all of the football games I've attended in the past 20 years have been at Michigan and a few other Big Ten venues, being in Soldier Field felt like being part of a studio audience.

Not saying at all that I preferred the Bears game experience; far from it.  Just saying that, at some point, the capacity exceeds what is reasonable in terms of providing every fan the chance to see football action without a telescope and an oxygen tank.

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
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The addiitonal seating would be for opposing fans . . .

Brandon mentioned in DC that with the addition of more handrails and wider seating that will reduce the present capacity for the bowl section of the stadium, there may be enough demand to adding additional seats.  As I understand it, they way it's currently envisioned is that approximately 6-7,000 seats would be added, they would go around the new scoreboards and would be as high as the structures on the east and west sides of the stadium.

Brandon also mentioned that those seats at the very high end of the stadium would be set aside for visiting fans.  So when Nebraska plays in Ann Arbor and the Cornhusker fans comes en masse, that's where they will be seated.

I've been watching Michigan football games in the stadium since 1978, and with the exception of those that were limited visibility near the old press box, I really don't think there was a bad seat in the house because of the bowl structure.  Without an upper tier plus the supporting beams, etc., there really are no obstructed view seating.

I've also been up in the luxury boxes and was very surprised by how good the view appeared from up there.  For lack of a better way to describe it, it really is panoramic from up there--especially since those structures are angled toward the playing field.

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
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view vs. distance

Yes, the Big House has no obstructed seats.  But sightline is one thing.  Proximity to the field is another.  Sitting in the proposed end zone upper deck will be looking over the Grand Canyon trying to spot a kayaker in the river.  The thing that struck me about Soldier field is, I was about 40 rows up but I still felt like I was breathing down the players necks.  You don't get that feeling anywhere outside of 10 rows at the big house.

On the other hand, thanks for reminding me that that section would be for visiting fans.  That makes perfect sense.  They can take their shitty seats and like them, which they will.

 

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June 14th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
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I was one of the proud few that had obstructed seats my freshman

We were placed right next to the old pressbox.  We never stayed in our actual seats for long, but if we did we had a good view of about half of the field.  With the new press boxes I believe this is no longer an issue.

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June 14th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
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The addiitonal seating would be for opposing fans . . .

Brandon mentioned in DC that with the addition of more handrails and wider seating that will reduce the present capacity for the bowl section of the stadium, there may be enough demand to adding additional seats.  As I understand it, they way it's currently envisioned is that approximately 6-7,000 seats would be added, they would go around the new scoreboards and would be as high as the structures on the east and west sides of the stadium.

Brandon also mentioned that those seats at the very high end of the stadium would be set aside for visiting fans.  So when Nebraska plays in Ann Arbor and the Cornhusker fans comes en masse, that's where they will be seated.

I've been watching Michigan football games in the stadium since 1978, and with the exception of those that were limited visibility near the old press box, I really don't think there was a bad seat in the house because of the bowl structure.  Without an upper tier plus the supporting beams, etc., there really are no obstructed view seating.

I've also been up in the luxury boxes and was very surprised by how good the view appeared from up there.  For lack of a better way to describe it, it really is panoramic from up there--especially since those structures are angled toward the playing field.

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June 14th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
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Size does matter ...

Seems like the NFL has discovered that the perfect size for a stadium is around 60 - 65K.  This gives them the best chance to fill the seats (avoid home blackouts) and be able to charge a higher than "normal" price for a ticket.  Also most NFL teams are in larger cities and that is a tough draw.

College football is significantly different.  Simply look at the number of schools that can easily draw 100K or more fans every single home game.  The larger the stadium, the harder it is to have that "close" to the field experience.  In a large stadium - unobstructed views are critical and with replay screens now, the viewing in Michigan Stadium is good everywhere (unlike at Penn State where there are seats where you cannot see the corners of the field).

The live atmosphere is why I go ... tailgating, the walk to the stadium, the band, the crowd  - it hits all senses.

Go Blue !

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June 14th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
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I think this will be cool

especially if they extend the brickwork around the outside. DB said the top of the scoreboards will be even with the top on the box structures. He also said they would extend the concourse around (I am assuming behind the extension of the bowl.

The one thing I don't like about the box structures is they interrupt what used to be a defined horizon all the way around the bowl, only broken by the press box. If this visually restores the horizon (albeit much higher), I think it will be awesome.

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June 14th, 2011 at 3:31 PM
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Adding...

Adding additional seating around the scoreboards will look like this:

I'm still OK with adding seats, though. 120k FTW!

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