We have cornered the market on football players named Devin.
What positives can we take away from the Alabama game?
We need Blake badly, here's to a quick recovery
Devin Smith had a horrible game.
Although I am glad Raymon Taylor decided to come back for this one.
That donkey Dave Brandon might be fired?
Why, because he didn't schedule savannah state so Michigan could win 84-0 like oklahoma state?
Get over yourself, Michigan has gotten better and by playing a team like this. They won't face a team with that kind of talent stock this year again.
We didn't, and won't, get anything out of this game, at all, nothing. Now, that doesn't mean you're wrong that scheduling the game was good, I'm neutral on that decision. But getting humuliated, outclassed and demoralized probably isn't going to teach us much. Maybe I'm wrong, dunno...
Those guys are going to do absolutely everything in their power to make sure it doesn't happen again.
So now after this beatdown they will learn to "play harder"? Huh
This game had nothing to do with effort, everything to do with the talent discrepancy. It's the last remaining affects of RichRods poor recruiting
You really believe that they won't learn anything from this game?
have you ever in your life played any sort of sports?
Don't we generally praise MSU hoops for going and playing the UNCs and Dukes of the world early in the season to make them a more battle-tested team? MSU sometimes get beat down in those games (e.g., aircraft carrier classic last year), but it gets them great national exposure and gives the players a chance to measure themselves against one of the great teams in the country. Same thing applies here. Sure, it sucks to lose the game, but I hope we keep playing them -- eventually the talent level will even out and we will win those games. I also think playing in this game will make us better / tougher this year against the rest of our schedule.
Also, Oregon got beaten down by LSU last year and would have been in the BCS championship talks had they run the table in the Pac12. This game had no effect on our B1G championship / Rose Bowl aspirations and if we run the table we will be in the BCS championship talks.
O-Line did well in pass protection
I wonder if it was good pass pro or QB contain rush
He stares into your soul.
Musberger actually said something i agreed with.. Norfleet will return a kick for a TD before the b1g ten season starts.. or at least during the season..
Kid truly will be special.. id prefer to see him in the RB rotation sooner than later.. he has some moves..
I was worried about UM finding a replacement for the previous kick returner lost during the offseason (sad to see him go...); i think they've found him.
Surely you could have said this without praising Musberger...
can we at least get his name right. It's NORTHFLEET. sorry its just driving me crazy that everyone is calling him norfleet
Not sure if serious
Its Norfleet. Unless Scout and Rivals have it wrong.
sorry guys i'm drunk and thought it was funny.
That was more a case of Alabama's scheme . . . contain Denard, keep him in the pocket until he throws.
every good defense Denard has seen in his college career, which is why he'll be an 'athlete' in the NFL.
grain alcohol cures the pain quicker?*punts*
Hagerup's punting wasn't bad. That's all I got.
I can fit three fists in my mouth
I've heard that about you.
Felt like he outkicked the coverage a couple of times. Booming it for 60+ yards doesn't do any good if the guy gets a running start at our coverage team. Think the actual field position swings from punting hurt us.
18 knuckles in his mouth doesn't do any good if he vomits. Should stick to 17.4 fists.
I'll take 60+ yard punts all night long. I could do with fewer terrible penalties for running past the returner being called as interference, all while practically being ridden from behind into said returner.
Positives: Gallon is really good, Norfleet shows promise, our biggest defensive problem was tackling NOT being out of position. We have 11 guaranteed games left to watch.
Negatives (not asked for but here they are anyway): Key injuries. Half the freshman class burning red-shirts tonight. Injuries.
Side note: Why do referees from every conference hate us so much?
Are you seriously trying to argue that Hagerup was punting the ball too far?
There is such a thing as outkicking your coverage. He could have used a little more hang time on a couple of his punts.
It's finally over.
It could have been worse.
We don't have to play Alabama again anytime soon.
Knowing our luck they'll biff a game and end up in the Cap 1 or something.
Nah, they'll still go to the title game. It happened last year.
Playcalling is totally different from last year.
Hagerup can kick it far.
Campbell got a sack
Some freshmen got snaps on national stage
Shane Morris will be here next year Along with a ton of other talent
Air force will be tough minus Lewan and plus this mentally challenging loss.
What have you heard about Lewan?
I've heard he's got a fingerstache and rolls in a sweet twosie.
Fingerstache is awesome (what He said!)
At least that is what Karsch reported.
Their lines might have been better overall, but UM was the only team to walk out of the game with QB sacks.
Playcalling is totally different from last year.
Norfleet looks great, Wile is great, the OL looks great in pass pro, Hagerup had a great average (mediocre net), Campbell wasn't too bad, tons of freshmen got experience (that's the optimistic way of saying that lots of starters were yanked for poor performance), Gallon is solid, and Gardner will be great once he runs better routes.
I feel like our unwillingness to spread out the punt team leads to his mediocre net... We're the only team in the country that doesn't have 5 guys trying to down punts.
Agreed. Not sure what the thinking is on that. It should probably be illegal to have that many gunners and yet Michigan goes with 2.
dude is gooooood!
saved a couple grand by deciding not to go to Dallas.
Yeah, forgot about this aspect. Was looking at Stubhub all week. So glad I didn't buy tickets.
away from Arlington and chose not to go. Glad I didn't so I could curl up in a ball in my living room.
No excuses, Michigan stank up the field, but I really dislike the offensive gameplan. It went out of its way to have Denard throw...he isn't a good throwing QB. He never was, nor will he be. I am disappointed in the fact that Borges couldn't or wouldn't adjust. There are no positives to take from this game. Nothing. There was so little we did right it was embarassing on a national scale.
Yeah well, when you can't run the ball I guess you have to throw it.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
D. Robinson 11/26 200 7.7 1 2
R. Bellomy 0/1 0 0.0 0 1
Team 11/27 200 7.4 1 3
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
V. Smith 13 32 2.5 0 22
D. Robinson 10 27 2.7 1 9
T. Rawls 6 9 1.5 0 5
Team 29 68 2.3 1 22
Edit: How many threads are you going to cut and paste this into?
We got beaten like a rented mule, only positive I see is if you are into seeing mule beatings.
I counted 3 first quarter throws that hit receivers in their hands but werent caught because of great coverage from Alabama dbs...not defending denards throwing because we know his limitatioms but he is getting everything out of his arm he possibly can in my opinion. I just would prefer her take a sack over throwing it up for grabs sometimes. Of course, thats not going to happen but, had he not Michigan loses by 2 td's instead of 4
The Nike pro "sweat belly" jerseys are gross.
Denard's legs will be fresh next week
This, x 10. They didn't even try to use Denard at what he does best. They conceded the run to Bama's Defense and tried to throw it no matter what. Never even tried to establish a run game.
When you are down by three touchdowns in the first quarter, I think it's time to concede the run.
1. I have a wife, a son, and one on the way.
2. I made the smart choice of only buying a six pack for the game. I would drink until there was nothing to drink otherwise.
3. I'm pretty sure nobody on our team sustained life threatining injuries.
Those are the only positives.
I'm confused. You have one what on the way? A wife or a son?
Special Teams in general (Gibbons, Wile, Hagerup, Norfleet, all looked really good).
Errm. Kwiatkowski caught a pass. So maybe him.
Hagerup was really the only thing.. He was averaging around 50 yards per punt though and I'll take that any day! I think if we would've treated the game like we did near the end and done more quick passes it would've turned out a little better.. Not good though
That positively sucked man crank.
and no one on the schedule will be better
know how far they have to go to compete with the best. A long way, obviously. If they come out and practice and play hard next week, that will be a positive and suggest some good senior leadership.
Coaches and players saw upclose what an elite team looks like. We have a looong way to go. There are no illusions.
ain't no positive!
Hagerup punted well.
Norfleet returned well.
The recievers got open against good coverage.
Fitz will return.
We won't play anyone nearly as good as Bama the rest of the season.
Wisconsin barely squeaked past Northern Iowa, Iowa barely squeaked past Northern Illinois, MSU had their hands full with a depleted Boise State.
We can still end the season in Pasadena.
This could be the end of clowniformz. (please, God)
Not if Lewan and Countess don't return. Also, seeing Denard as a dropback passer auditioning for the NFL is not his forte. They got smacked and didnt respond well and have potentially major injuries to deal with. Hope the $ was worth it.
and no one on the schedule will be better
Oh yeah. And no quit.
We showed nothing. I believe the coaching staff coached this like an exhibition. Denard ran substantially less than he has before. The teams goal is to win the big ten, they weren't going to risk that on this game. There's always the $$$$$ too.
I'm thinking along these lines as well. They didn't run Denard alot because they didn't want to get him killed. We are nowhere near Alabama's level right now but we do have a good shot to win the B1G so they want to go for that.
if our goal in big ten titles then we dont need to play games like this.
can actually have a negative impact on a team's ability to win their conference in the future. Recruits watch TV.
I got a couple:
-Hagerup was excellent
-Kick returns were good
-Recievers were able to get behind the Tide secondary
-Michigan converted a number on 3rd and shorts on the ground
-Alabama was 4-11 on third down
-McCarron was only about 50% completion with a great run game to help him
Did anyone see how great Pipkins played in the last two series? Wow.
Other than that...file 13 this one...
I'm drunk, so I'll just tell you to mark my words. Norfleet will house at least 1 return this year.
You and Musberger
I didn't contract super AIDS from an orca named Devin, at least not as a result of watching this game anyway.
We won't play a team anywhere near that good again this year. That's the first and most positive thing.
Norfleet looked dangerous, against less talented teams I bet he breaks one.
Fitz is back next week.
Hopefully we will have excised EvilBorgeous for a while.
Gallon and Gardner showed some ability to get separation downfield. Gallon was terrific, making plays on the ball when he had the chance and picking up YAC. Gardner is still raw - he needs to get better at adjusting to the ball - but that TD should give him confidence.
I thought Gardner showed some good promise. I expect we'll see some very good things from him this year.
Is we won't be playing them again
Denard to Devin!
Sporadic DL pressure on a veteran OL!
An epic beatdown every now and then is good for you.
Bad: Countess injured, Lewan injured, Denard injured(?)
The run blocking was terrible, Robinson threw two horrible interceptions, the run defense is going to be a problem all year, and the tackling looked like Eastern on a really bad day, but there were some positives:
1. The pass rush was good.
3. Robinson stepped into his deep throws instead of arm-punting them off his back foot.
We didn't miss much by not getting Dee Hart?
EDIT: ....and I don't have to change my signature line to read, "I am a douchey, negative Nancy."
Maybe someone needs to bring me to reality, but I'm not really worried about Big Ten play. I think we can win the division and then the championship game. This outcome didn't change my stance. Maybe because I completely expected this to happen, so it doesn't bother me.
One thing though, I'm thinking that we have a realistic shot at winning the B1G still, but I'm sitting here watching this Oregon game... oh boy, that wouldn't be fun.
1. We stayed injury free. No one of importance got hurt.
2. Denard looked pretty impressive - leaps and bounds better than last year. And even when he got hurt or didn't play, the backups stepped up and performed quite adequetly.
3. Run game impressed. Even without Fitz, we were able to run all over the field. I was really impressed by Rawls and Smith.
4. CBs - Played some lock down coverage all day.
5. Our offensive line gave Denard awesome time. And opened up massive holes for the RBs. And like 0 OL penalities - so that was pretty good.
6. Our front 7 was able to shut down those Alabama RBs.
Right, we only lost our starting corner, all-American left tackle, right end, and banged up our qb. All while getting our asses whipped up and down the field. Other than that, no damage done.
I'm guessing you didn't sense the sarcasm?
C'mon. All Big 10.
Is my sarcasm meter broken?
Seriously? Had a great time at jerry world, but are you talking about the same game I just witnessed?
As said above, Dennis Norfleet looked pretty good. I also think DG will be a good wide receiver long term for us, and maybe we'll remember that Denard has to be able to run sometimes.
I'm reminded of our losses last year to Iowa and MSU. We didn't really deserve to win either game, and we didn't. If we had, we would have won our division, and gone on to get destroyed by Wisconsin in the B1G title game. That would have been much larger national exposure/much worse for us than a couple midseason losses. We then went on to a better bowl game because of it.
I recall reading here that this game was schedule shortly after Hoke took over, and while it's good to schedule the best, it's an issue of timing. If this had happened later this year, or a year or two from now, the team might have gelled more, and/or more of Hoke's guys would be in, we would be deeper, bigger, etc. This was a bad loss, however, it's only the conference games that determine if we go to the Rose Bowl or not, so we have a chance for a good season, but it lets us know that we're not ready for an NC yet.
The game was scheduled a year before Hoke took over. At the time, it was assumed that it would take place in year 5 of the RichRod era.
I don't think you read that here... Game was scheduled before Hoke arrived.
RR is losing to Toledo.
Well that's nothing new for him.
- Pass Protection looked good
- BWC seems much improved
- Norfleet looks like a gamebreaker
- Devin Gardner at WR
We won't be wearing those uniforms again.
1) Jimmies and MF'in Joes, man. That was an NFL roster just waiting to be drafted. Nobody else on our schedule will be even remotely as talented.
2) This has no impact on whether or not we win the B1G (unless Lewan, Countess, etc. are out for extended periods of time).
- Denard coming back out of the tunnel, refusing to rest up when the game was out of reach and keep fighting until the end brought a tear to my eye I will admit. I love this kid, he's a warrior. He deserves his status as team captain.
- Devin Gardner burning an alabama DB for a TD really interested me
- Dennis Norfleet is bound to return a kickoff for a TD this season, no doubt
- Will Campbell has really improved
- Let's all pray Countess and Moore are okay.
- Can't wait to see Toussaint and Clark next week. I hope Toussaint runs like a madman.
Michigan is a really good team that played a really great team tonight. They were one of a few teams in the country to actually have some balls and schedule a big opener, against an SEC team, that happened to be a national power.
They didn't take the easy route and schedule savannah state, miami university, north texas etc. I commend them for this.
Still knows absolutely nothing about defense. Didn't he lose to Toledo in his opener here too?
I'm not worried about the WRs anymore..
Gallon - looked the best of the bunch. He caught four passes. I believe 2 of those were bubble screens. So he caught 2 actual passes. No other wide reciever on the team did anything. Gardner caught a pass...after his CB fell down. Roundtree had 2 short ones in garbage time. Dileo had one impressive grad, but that's all he contributed. Jackson/Robinson were non-existent. The WRs looked really weak to me.
Gallon looks really good. Roundtree is good, just don't know why he doesn't seem to be involved. Gardner looks like he can be a beast. I feel like some of his routes were pretty bad, specifically two times early in the game where it looked like Denard threw an inaccurate pass, but I thinkg Gardner just didn't complete his route/get to the open space. We'll see in the ufr I gues
He wasn't targetted until the last 5 minutes of the game. And he's supposed to be our #1 WR. It's looking like this year is going to be a repreat of his 19 reption season last year. Gardner had a chance to bring a couple more receptions in. And the one he did catch - well, no one was within 10 yards of him. He sure looks the part, with his speed and height, but he proved nothing to me in this game. We'll get a better feel for the WRs once Denard learns(?) to throw the ball in their direction.
Watch the Gardner TD a bit closer. He juked the DB right out of his shoes - that's why he was so open
There was one route where Denard threw a fly route and Gardner came in a bit, so the ball looked like it was thrown over his head. I tried explaining it to my dad, but he was hanging up on Denard's other bad passes that he wasn't getting what I was saying.
Brent Musberger anymore tonight - he's painful
I actually turned the volume off for the entire second half. Completely off.
Gallon is good.
Norfleet was good/very good in the return game and our punter was very good at times but out kicked his coverage.
The DLine played good against the best OLine in the country. Roh was disappointing but the rest played well. I know others will disagree but we had pressure and couldn't tackle.
Lastly, This is the best team we will play.
I think the D line was decent most of the night. The LBs were horrible though
We can all settle down now and let the team grow. Don't forget, they are only a season out from being rolled just as badly by teams like Wisconsin and Ohio State.
We're not there yet. We can stop talking about it and focus on improvement and recruiting. Lightning struck last year, we were very lucky to go 11-2. But the next realistic step for this team is not 13-0. It's steady improvement and depth.
Devin can catch the ball when there isn't a CB within 10 yards of him. Should have a huge game against ND.
Nobody is going to buy those ugly jerseys.
This video doesn't show it but the reason he got so open was he juked the DB right to the ground. Pretty nice route running actually.
1. Norfleet looks good
2. James Ross looks good...I feel like he will replace Demens at some point
3. Pipkins looks good and will replace Washington at some point
4. Gardner looks good and will look even more so against non 6'1" 200lbs DBs
My question: Why is that we seemed to get knocked back on both sides of the ball. My first instinct is to say they are bigger, but I don't think thats always the case. In one instance in particular I remember their DB Sunsari #3 had a collision with Rawls and decleated Rawls. When their DBs are decleating our bruising/physical RB that is not good, but I digress.
That was one of my major takeaways from the game today. Coach Hoke talks about playing physical and Rawls running angry. He go blown up by that safty (#3 I think) whom it out weighed by at least 20 lbs. One of many times where we didn't play or look physical. Not good in the long run.
but watching the replay, Rawls bobbled the pitch a little bit before Sunsari hit him. He was too focused on not fumbling and not focused on getting his balance right.
Exactly that. Rawls was running sideways and was trying not to drop the ball, while the safety was going full-speed toward him. Anybody could have hit Rawls like that
We aren't Arkansas State
Send your punter to the showers, not the field.
Never give the ball away yourselves, make the ref, or your QB hand it over.
Hopefully Hoke & Co. remember this.
Just a little tip from your Uncle Lar.
(Google it kids)
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I didn't put 3 million bucks for us to cover..
It took me a while to think but...
Defense looked stout on Alabama's first possession.
Seriously, talk about a tease. I came in expecting to lose by 20+, but that got me pretty excited. But it was all down hill from there.
My dog has NO IDEA what happened today.
There are also 1,000,000,000 people in china who have no idea what happened today.
But there are 10,000,000 people in Michigan who do know what happened, and they're pissed off.
Are probably pretty happy.
We are, without question, not the only team Bama is going to give an ass-kicking to this year. We just happened to be the first ones in line.
Other than LSU, I could easily see Bama beating the crap out of every other team on its schedule. No other team aside from LSU comes even close to their talent level on both sides of the ball. As Bama goes through its schedule, this game will be forgotten.
Will MSU and OSU fans trash talk us? Absolutely. I know I would if I were in their position. But they'd do well to remember that we had the balls to put them on our schedule, and there are very, very few teams in the country who could go toe-to-toe with Bama, much less beat them.
If those losers trash talk me I'll just refer them to Michigan's BCS bowl win last year.
Sorry Michigan didn't schedule the powerhouses of miami university and northern iowa.
Just point to MSU's last game against Bama or the fact that OSU has never beaten an SEC team.
That first defensive series got me shit-talkin my TV! Then, yeah....
was good. I thought that was a good sign of things to come then the rest of the game happened.
Norfleet was the only bright spot I can think of right now.
That was the only series Countess played. So when our first-string D was intact, we didn't surrender a first down. Woo!
Seriously though, the loss of Countess was pretty significant. Bama went after Avery mercilessly after that. I hope Blake is okay.
What positives can I take away? Hmmmmm....
1) Hopefully we wont see the Three Stooges x2 officiating any more Michigan games.
2) I will personally ignore any ESPN conversations about the SEC because I am officially tired of listening to them perform fellatio on the SEC.
3) Al Borges has hopefully decided to stop running dive plays on every first down when trailing by 20 in the 2nd half.
4) Our defensive front cant possibly be pushed around that bad again.
5) Taylor Lewan will now start to look like the All-Big Ten first round selection he is predicted to be.
6) The defense might actually absorb the importance of WRAPPING UP when tackling.
7) Should I go on?....Oh yes, Pipkins looked pretty good at the end, and Norfleet was impressive in his 50 kickoff returns Thats really the only thing positive i took from this massacre.
8) Denard has learned his lesson about leading with his throwing shoulder when tackling somebody out of frustration.
9) I now see Herbstreit's true colors showing in how he polished the knobs of anything in crimson. "Hey herbstreit!! You-a like-a the way the dick-a taste-a?"
By the way, I dont know if I have given the impression that I'm not happy, but uh, I'm not happy.
My list of positives:
- Norfleet looks to be our best returner since Breaston (maybe even better).
- Pipkins looks like a man - didn't get to watch him much, but he has the "eye test" wow factor
- BWC looked better - against Bama's O-line "looked better than last year" is probably worth nothing
- Gardner is raw at WR - needs a little coaching on finishing routes, but the raw talent looks great
- Hagerup bombed some punts (maybe even out-kicked his coverage)
- Gallon - Papa Smurf needs some love - great hands and works hard
THE BIGGEST POSITIVE of all is... we just played the defending national champions and quite possibly the best team in all the land. They have NFL talent everywhere. Yes, we got pasted, but if you want to be the best, you have to play the best. We'll learn more from this game than Bama will. We'll be a better team for playing this game.
I'll tell you what positive I take from this:
The coaches and players will go to work right away, fixing problems, finding the right players for the right positions, and getting the best 22 on the field. No better way to get focused than after an utter beat down.
I'll bet the line gets shook up a little. Freshmen will get even longer looks. Our OL was atrocious but I bet it gets straightened out ASAP
Gorgeous Al has now used the same game plan against Bama, MSU, and Iowa. If he doesn't acknowledge that we don't have a deep threat qb, we're screwed. He needs to be more accountable.
"If he [Borges] doesn't acknowledge that we don't have a deep threat qb, we're screwed."
I've tried very hard to maintain my unquestioning loyalty to Borges, but I'm really starting to wonder. I can't for the life of me understand the use of Vincent Smith like we saw tonight. It simply wasn't working and it wasn't going to work. And as you say, Robinson is simply not a reliable deep-threat passer.
I thought Smith actually looked decent (all things considered) when he wasn't losing his footing - there were about three plays where he made a cut and then slipped, allowing the defenders to get to him. He had a nice run on a sweep for a first down; we may want to try that more often.
As for the deep ball, you can't give up on that if you're Borges. That got us our two TDs. I'd probably focus more on Gallon and Gardner as the deep threats over Roundtree, though.
It's not simply the use of Smith ... it was how Smith was used.
Before Smith finally got off the 30+ yard run, he was 10 carries for 9 yards. If memory serves, they all appeared to be really slow-developing plays in the backfield. It appeared like perhaps they were read plays where Robinson's "read" was hesitant, and Smith got the ball a half-tick too late against a defense like Alabama's.
So it's not Smith per se ... it's any running back used in a way that gives a defense like Alabama enough time to see what's coming and shut it down.
The uniformz actually weren't as bad on TV as they were seeing them on that Youtube video, IMO. I won't be buying one by any means, but, after thinking they were hideous, my reaction to them on TV was neutral. Wouldn't wanna see them on a regular basis but as a one-off thing, ok.
As others have said, Norfleet was awesome. Hopefully they get him on the field on offense as an RB or in the slot, that kid is on a whole other level as far as quickness. Wow.
Gallon - best reciever. They need to give him more looks.
I swear to God I think we called a bubble screen.
There was one early.
There were at least 2.
For one brief moment, after our Dline blew up their first series, I believed we would win the game, and I was happy then.
Our makeshift D line got quite a few good stops/sacks against the best Oline in the country. If our linebackers had been a little more ready we wouldve better limited their rush attack. Also, we put up quite a few yards against the best defence in the country on game 1of the season.
Michigan scored more points than most teams that played Alabama these past couple of seasons. I think the team will improve and do well in the B1G. Hopefully, the injured players recover soon because it's on to the next opponent. No use dwelling on this game. The Wolverines will be ready for Alabama in a few years.
1) Gallon - he is the only guy on the team that looked like he belonged playing against BAMA
2) Shane Morris is on the way - football is about QB QB QB QB QB QB!!!
3) Countess is THAT GOOD!!!
4) ummm, yeah BWC I guess
1) #44 is the worst linebacker I have ever seen
2) horrible tackling
3) Denard's "throwing"
4) Vincent Smith's and Rawls running
5) Mr Penalty Taylor Lewan
2) horrible tackling
Kovacs excepted, right? From what I saw, when he was in the neighborhood, he got the job done. I only saw one missed tackle by him ... and I was shocked since it's such a rare thing to see him miss.
I was really talking about the LBs, they were simply terrible
Worst LB ever??
Were you not here for the Obi Ezeh era?
It's important to remember too that Saban did not rebuild Alabama in one year. He went 6-7 his first year and lost to some crappy teams.
Did we get an ass kicking tonight? Absolutely. But Saban has had the benefit of building this team up for 6 years. Hoke is in his 2nd year. Hoke only has one class of "his guys" on the team right now. Building a championship team takes time. I know that we at UM are a rather impatient bunch, but we need to have patience. I have all the confidence in the world in Hoke. He's bringing in top talent, especially on the lines. Football games are won in the trenches. Hoke knows that.
Bottom line: we're going to be just fine. We're in good hands.
The defense. We were still gashed by some relitevely large runs from time to time but we only gave up what? 13 points? in the second half. Happy about that. Desmond Morgan wa just terrible. James Ross is going to take that spot if he doesnt step up.
Devin Gardner is LEGIT, needs to refine his routes but overall hes going to be a monster this year. Roy needs to be in the slot.
We just played better in the second half, just like most games last year. Excited for the rest of the season and Denard didnt look bad to me at all. He the picks are obviously not acceptable but he impressed me still with his throwing motion and how he managed the pocket.
They actually had 10 points in the second half. Three came on a drive of about 15 yards (after we'd turned it over on downs at midfield) and the other seven came on the drive that had two questionable 15-yard penalties called on us. I'll give the guys some credit for hanging in there and playing hard to the end after a first half in which every possible thing went wrong.
Thanks for the correction, couldnt catch the whole game.. had to run too the hospital, my son is on the way.
Well, I suppose that's o.k. then. Now if it were a girl..../s
Haha Thanks, Its going to be rough with me being 17 but I look forward to fatherhood..
I'm not a Penn State fan
Denard has not learned to throw in 4 years although he will still tear up crappy competition. Our defense is both slow and small. It is odd to be both. Devin Gardner can get open, but has trouble catching the ball. Vincent Smith is a third down back. He should never carry it all game long. The season is not in disaster, but this team is a 8-4 type of team. I know all of you thought Hoke was the second comg of Yost, but he has a lot to learn himself.
This is what you thought was important enough to say that you needed to create a new account?
i think you accidentally posted in the wrong thread. there's a haters thread made just for comments like this.
It's hard for me to see much positive from this game. Sure, it takes time to rebuild, and it was probably too much to expect Michigan to win this game, but not too much to expect them to be at least competitive. It wasn't even close. The game was pretty much over in the first quarter.
Some folks may not like me to say this, and I will be more than happy to be proven wrong later in the season, but I just wasn't impressed by Denard Robinson. Yes, he can be electrifying on certain plays, but his passing still isn't where it needs to be and he's a senior now. Teams can just stack the box and make him throw. I think he's a placekeeper until next season.
Devin is a legit WR. There were more than a few times that he gained a step on Millner (who will probably be one of the country's top corners), but Denard just overthrew him.
Will Campbell finally seems to be living up to his potential.
Dennis Norfleet is a ninja.
Ummmmm.... I guess if I had to name the first positive that comes to mind- Bellomy's only pass at least touched a Michigan player before it was intercepted? More seriously, Gallon's cloaking device still works at times and kick returns look improved.
I have some positives and negatives to take away from the game.
First the negatives to get them out of the way:
Borges = Debord 2.0 ex: Run up the middle doesn't work, gains 1-2 yrds per attempt so keep doing it. Quick pass to the flat gets you 6-8 yrds so abandon it.
Denard is not a pocket passer but yet we still try to keep using him as one. Get away from the pro style offense until he leaves, since he has too much talent not to be on the field, and we will be fine. ex: following the receivers before he throws to them resulting in interceptions; overthrows, late throws, under throws, and he had plenty of time in the pocket in this game to show he had what it took to be a pocket passer. I may get negged for saying this but is ok since I'm just giving an honest opinion of what I saw. Denard has plenty of heart and will to win. The coaches need to put him in a position that gives him that opportunity based on his abilities.
No identity on defense or offense. There didn't seem to be any leaders out there getting the team fired up, and working together. Maybe I missed something here, at least I hope so.
Depth, as stated on this site numerous times, reared it's head as players got injured and we didn't have a comparable backup.
As for the positives:
Younger players. There are several young players that look like they are going to be able to contribute early which is great to see and will be benificial as the season progresses to fill in our depth.
We seem to have some decent receivers with Gallon, Gardner, and Roundtree. Just need to get the ball in a position to make a play.
Offensive line is better than anticipated. With the turn over from last year we seem to be ok in that area.
We didn't get to see a field goal but the punting was decent as long as we avoid punting beyond the coverage.
Second half. This is still a second half team like last year. Alabama scored only 10 points I believe in the second half which is an improvement over the first half. The team needs to build off of that.
BAMA girls in cowboy boots with short dressed.
None of us bet 3 million dollars on Michigan to cover the spread
I'm positive ... we need to work on tackling.
- our sacrifices were insufficient to make AMHG go dormant.
- Norfleet is going to have big returns against teams inferior to Alabama.
- all the other teams on our schedule are inferior to Alabama.
- adjusting coverage to Hagerup's booming punts is a good thing.
The Huge, AKA Bill Simonson, looks pretty dumb in his Michigan goes 14-0 prediction. I wish his prediction was right but Bill is a hack.
That I observed Hoke point with his magical finger a few times? Ok maybe I'm imagining a couple but I know I saw it at least once.
I've read about 5 min worth of comments in this thread and I'm 95% sure brian will have his twis article complete by the morning.
I got to watch the football team I love for the first time in many months.
I can tell I am getting older because this loss didn't bother me at all. The better team won. Our team will learn a lot from this game.
I saw some good leadership and I saw a glimpse of future stars. It's all going to be OK and when I get back to the States in 3 years Michigan will be competing for a national championship.
This game is the beginning of the journey to championship level play.
Positives? Team 133 just got thrashed on both sides of the ball. Only positive I can think of is that game is over and all we can do now is take care of business in the next 11 games.
At least we know how much work Brady will have to do to get Michigan back to Elite status. Things can only look up. Hopefully the team will improve, and our spread running game will re-emerge and the defense will start tackling better. ND looks to be the next toughest. Hopefully we will improve enough to smash MSU at home. After mid year, this game will be a distant memory and we will be in the hunt for the Legends division title.
We aren't Penn State?
The sun came up today.
We are all classier than Delvon Roe.
The team showed some serious fight after getting punched square in the jaw in the first quarter.
Norfleet looked good as did Hagerup and Wile.
We don't play a team that good until bowl season
Seriously, they are the defending national champs. I know fanhood makes us want Michigan to win, but sometimes you need to take your lumps to improve not only as a player, but damnit a person too. I was proud of my team for not quitting throughout the game.
My only two positives were:
Devin Gardner getting utilized. He didn't display All-Conference WR play, but he showed that he is the most physical play maker and if he could just hold on to the ball this would be a different team.
Devin Campbell getting into the backfield. He got pushed around a lot, but he did get in on a sack on a play that he was double teamed. I call that a victory in of itself.
Every thing else was pretty much a negative. All the other Devins got manhandled.
The game helps prepare us for Michigan State who is like a poor man's Alabama this year - great defense and a running-oriented offense anchored by a beast at RB and a game manager (at best) at QB.
Expect MSU's game plan on both offense and defense to be similar to what Alabama did. MSU does not have the players that Alabama does, but then again, they don't have to beat us by 27 points, only one.
DB might as well ship 'em to the local Dollar General outlets since nobody who hasn't already bought one is going to now.
The "Big Ten" style of football is alive and well.
How did Alabama beat us so soundly? Did they spread us out and confuse us with trick plays? Did they dink and dunk us with a five-wide passing attack? Did they do anything trendy at all?
No, Alabama out-Big Ten'd us with dominating line play and a smash mouth running game. Like Wisconsin on steroids (perhaps more than just "like").
Their trick play was the Waggle. Let me repeat that: Their trick play was the Waggle. This is the exact same statement that we used to make derisively about Llloyd Carr.
The Big Ten style of football can be pretty effective when it's executed well with elite players. Wisconsin would be back-to-back Rose Bowl champions if only they had better talent on defense. Like the kind of talent Michigan can recruit.
The direction that Hoke is trying to take the program is the same direction Saban took Alabama six years ago, which is also back to our Big Ten roots.
We'll never recruit quite as well as Alabama because of technicalities like rules and ethics, but we'll still be among the tops in the nation. With our recruiting and a slightly less conservative Big Ten game plan than in the past . . . Hoke won't punt on 4th and 2 from the opponent's 36 yard line . . . we can and will go toe-to-toe with the elite teams in the country.
We crossed the 50 yard line, unlike LSU.
Virginia Tech dominated the line last year (granted it's because Molk and RVB were injured) and still lost. It's a big thing, but it's not everything.
I watched the game on-line afterward expecting to see a slaughter. It actually wasn't, so much. We always said from the start that if we don't limit turnovers this won't even be a game. Denard basically gave Alabama two free touchdowns. Turning those turnovers into touchdowns is far from automatic, but consider if we take away those two picks and replace them with TDs. Final score is. . .
Michigan 28, Alabama 27.
Now, for a reality check. Alabama didn't pull all its starters, but it certainly eased off the gas once they were spotted a 21-point lead. Second, while Alabama's inexperienced secondary got exposed as vulnerable to the big play, it's still quite unlikely Michigan would've scored two more TDs that day. Alabama controlled the tempo from the opening kickoff to the last whistle; this was their game to lose and they did nothing in particular to lose it.
All that said, this wasn't a beat-down so much as an implosion. Not that that's good news -- Denard is still throwing picks, Bellomy has the absolute worst possible rating (-200) and interception rate (100%) a QB can possibly have, and now we have sloppy tackling to go with our list of problems. It was ugly. My point is that the media is going on and on about how Michigan got dominated. I disagree. Michigan was overmatched, sure, but that was a known factor going in. The line got pushed around much like they were against Virginia Tech, but the linebackers were usually where they needed to be and overall I was pleasantly surprised by the pass protection. Granted it was partly because of Alabama's contain strategy, but Denard didn't get sacked until late in the fourth quarter. They had a chance after all; they just didn't do what they had to do to win.
The silver lining is that you can fix problems on execution, and we have a great staff for doing just that. Denard may always be a pick machine, but we probably could've stopped half of Alabama's scoring drives with better tackling and you KNOW Mattison isn't going to leave that issue unaddressed.
To heck with this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But as far as the rest of the season goes, I'd have been more worried if Michigan just flat-out looked lost. I wound up seeing a team that would've fared a lot better if not for mistakes that can and will get corrected over the course of the season.
I'm almost up to 5,000 MGoPoints, just from bitching about this game. WooHoo!